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Old 06-23-2014, 06:37 PM   #101
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They are used by various organizations to be filled out by an instructor to track the drivers progress and skill level. An instructor will often read your log to get a feel on how to further coach a driver. Also used for assessing advancement. Just my $0.02.
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Old 06-23-2014, 08:43 PM   #102
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Nothing is stopping anyone from designing their own logbook for setup notes and observed car behavior. Make it as simple or as extensive/inclusive as you please.


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Old 06-23-2014, 08:58 PM   #103
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I made my own log on an excell spreadsheet. I included tire temps, tire pressure, alignment settings, weather, fluid temps and brake temps as well. I just Print out a bunch and take them to the track. I fill one out every time the car comes off track.
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Old 06-30-2014, 03:28 PM   #104
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What tire pressures (cold and hot) is everyone running?

When I was at MSR Housing last month (first track event), I was told to get the tire pressure up to prevent the sidewall flexing on the wheel. I was running at about 35 psi cold and getting up to 40. When the tires really heated up and got over 40 I dropped them back down to around 40. Honestly that sounds high to me. I didn't have any issues on the track but thought I'd see what others are doing?

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Old 06-30-2014, 04:51 PM   #105
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What tire pressures (cold and hot) is everyone running?

When I was at MSR Housing last month (first track event), I was told to get the tire pressure up to prevent the sidewall flexing on the wheel. I was running at about 35 psi cold and getting up to 40. When the tires really heated up and got over 40 I dropped them back down to around 40. Honestly that sounds high to me. I didn't have any issues on the track but thought I'd see what others are doing?

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You can test the sidewall flex theory yourself by looking at the little Goodyear foot indicators (others have triangles, etc) on the sidewall near where the tread ends. If you are starting to wear the indicator, then more pressure needed. If not close then decrease. Your 35 series tires don't have much sidewall, so if the track made a blanket statement, this may not apply to you.

I was told to run slightly less by the track instructors because the center of wider tires would bulge as psi went up.

I have been asking the same questions and most have responded that they target hot pressures around 36 psi. 40 psi hot is going to be my max I think. It depends on the tire and aspect ratio of course, along with alignment.

Edit Michelins have the Michelin man for the side treadwear see: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...=356787&page=2
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Old 06-30-2014, 08:14 PM   #106
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36~37 hot is where you want to be. 40 is getting to high & will cause the tread patch to get too greasy & you will start sliding around

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Old 07-18-2014, 09:17 PM   #107
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This may be a dumb question. If you wreck on the track or someone else runs into you does insurance cover the damages? I really want to go to a track day but a little nervous about damage outside of my control.
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Old 07-18-2014, 10:30 PM   #108
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This may be a dumb question. If you wreck on the track or someone else runs into you does insurance cover the damages? I really want to go to a track day but a little nervous about damage outside of my control.
Good question! I've run with some groups that their policy is if you damage someone else's car you are responsible to get with that individual and come to an agreement on repairing/paying for damages. Your not allowed to continue tracking with that group until it's resolved.

Some insurance companies will pay if the event is considered a school. Their thinking is you become a better, safer driver; however most insurance companies will not cover your car at all if it's on a surface intended for racing. Check your policy it will usually say if it doesn't.

There is track day insurance available at a cost from a few companies. Do a search for track day insurance or I'm sure someone will post a link or name a company shortly.
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Old 07-18-2014, 10:42 PM   #109
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you also pay for repairs to any damages of the track, unloading motor oil on the track, bending armco, tire wall repairs, painting walls.... I was a event leader with a club and had to hand a guy a $300 kitty litter bill as he was loading up his race car that just vented his motor on the straight. Felt pretty bad having to do it, but it wan't coming out of my pocket. HPDE insurance is the way to go. I've never heard about damages to another car, I always assumed you took the risk when your drove it on the track.
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Old 11-01-2014, 03:51 PM   #110
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A lot of killer info on this page. Love the videos and the advice.
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Old 02-17-2015, 02:28 PM   #111
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Thanks for starting this thread guys! It has some really good info. As far as the conversation on brakes that is by far the #1 thing to do before a track day. I had my first HPDE Feb 7-8th at TWS and had a blast, but my brakes faded and I had to drive to the brakes capabilities and not my own. I was running HP+ in the front and HPS in the rear, RBF600 fluid, and 2 piece rotors front one piece slotted rear. My issue was the pads just couldn't handle the heat at all. I had these pads on the car for less than 2 months and they were completely gone by the end of the weekend. I have since gotten XP10/XP8s to run at the track and factory brembo pads for street. Brake ducts and stainless lines will be installed before next event as well. All the suspension or HP changes you can make wont do a thing if you don't feel comfortable pushing the car cause of brake fade.

Another good tip that I found somewhere else in the forums that I used to adjust camber at track was to get the bolts for the front knuckle that go against the strut and used two nuts to lock together so I could mark the street camber before maxing out the strut adjustment. Put the bolt back in and adjusted the strut back against the bolt before heading home. Simple method when you can't afford the camber plates yet.
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Old 02-17-2015, 02:40 PM   #112
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Change out your brake fluid for a high tempature race type break fluid and run your LS3 slightly over filled. I run and extra 1/3 quart.



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Old 02-19-2015, 02:12 PM   #113
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This is a Good news, bad news thread. Great information & very helpful, BUT..............Every time I read stuff like this I get scared off. My club guys keep saying, come on, you'll love it, you can do it. I get excited again & start planning to go to an event. Then I read stuff like this again & think about what all I need to do to get me & my car ready, all the stuff that can go wrong and.........................scared off again. My husband is terified for me to do stuff like this. As soon as I start telling him the things in this thread I need to do to get ready, he will start his fussing again too. I just don't know guys.
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Old 02-19-2015, 02:20 PM   #114
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This is a Good news, bad news thread. Great information & very helpful, BUT..............Every time I read stuff like this I get scared off. My club guys keep saying, come on, you'll love it, you can do it. I get excited again & start planning to go to an event. Then I read stuff like this again & think about what all I need to do to get me & my car ready, all the stuff that can go wrong and.........................scared off again. My husband is terified for me to do stuff like this. As soon as I start telling him the things in this thread I need to do to get ready, he will start his fussing again too. I just don't know guys.
You shouldn't let anything in this thread scare you from going to an HPDE event! To be perfectly honest more things can go wrong driving your car in normal everyday situations than it will on a track. People on a track are paying attention to what they are doing unlike people on public roads. I felt much safer on the track then I did on the drive home and since!

As far as things you need to do to prepare you can get by with changing the brake fluid to a higher temp fluid and better pads. These things are normal maintenance items anyway. I changed my fluid to Motul RBF600 within a couple months of owning my car and didn't track it until 2 years later. (Wish I had sooner!)

If it is really something you want to do then don't let anything hold you back. Most men give in to their wives wants anyway. HAHA
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Old 02-19-2015, 02:37 PM   #115
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This is a Good news, bad news thread. Great information & very helpful, BUT..............Every time I read stuff like this I get scared off. My club guys keep saying, come on, you'll love it, you can do it. I get excited again & start planning to go to an event. Then I read stuff like this again & think about what all I need to do to get me & my car ready, all the stuff that can go wrong and.........................scared off again. My husband is terified for me to do stuff like this. As soon as I start telling him the things in this thread I need to do to get ready, he will start his fussing again too. I just don't know guys.
Honestly, brake fluid and go. It's great drivers Ed, it's fun as hell, the track community is phenominal like how car shows used to be.

Get a good helmet, change the brake fluid, check tires are rated for speed and load. I would recommend brake pads that can handle heat, but most folks arent pushing car that hard in a lead follow first day situation. Take some tools like air guage and basic tool set, take a large ice chest with WATER, top off coolants and change oil before bring extra of said fluids and water. Drink water drink water drink water. Ohh and don't take naps in the bed of your truck with out some gnarly sun screen. Done that more times than I should have.

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Old 02-19-2015, 03:50 PM   #116
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You shouldn't let anything in this thread scare you from going to an HPDE event! To be perfectly honest more things can go wrong driving your car in normal everyday situations than it will on a track. People on a track are paying attention to what they are doing unlike people on public roads. I felt much safer on the track then I did on the drive home and since!

As far as things you need to do to prepare you can get by with changing the brake fluid to a higher temp fluid and better pads. These things are normal maintenance items anyway. I changed my fluid to Motul RBF600 within a couple months of owning my car and didn't track it until 2 years later. (Wish I had sooner!)

If it is really something you want to do then don't let anything hold you back. Most men give in to their wives wants anyway. HAHA
Absolutely agree, especially about the people paying more attention. Def change your brake fluid out, better pads would be good but NOT a must unless you're really going to push it hard.

One of our club members owns a Z/28 and she came out to our last track day, it was her first time and she did fine. Granted she wasn't blazing the corners and flying into braking zones but as someone that has never tracked a car that isn't surprising. Just do what you're comfortable with and you will get hooked. Trust me. Biggest money pit I have ever been involved with though!
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Absolutely agree, especially about the people paying more attention. Def change your brake fluid out, better pads would be good but NOT a must unless you're really going to push it hard.

One of our club members owns a Z/28 and she came out to our last track day, it was her first time and she did fine. Granted she wasn't blazing the corners and flying into braking zones but as someone that has never tracked a car that isn't surprising. Just do what you're comfortable with and you will get hooked. Trust me. Biggest money pit I have ever been involved with though!
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You gonna head out to TWS for the last event in May?
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You gonna head out to TWS for the last event in May?
With The Drivers Edge? I fully intend to, I have a track day May 15, the day before registration opens for TWS. So as long I keep the Z out of a wall I should be there.
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With The Drivers Edge? I fully intend to, I have a track day May 15, the day before registration opens for TWS. So as long I keep the Z out of a wall I should be there.
Oh, no I am going to do the one directly through TWS PDS. It's May 2nd & 3rd. Was hoping I would get to check out the Z. If not were you on that thread for the driveway Austin one?
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Oh, no I am going to do the one directly through TWS PDS. It's May 2nd & 3rd. Was hoping I would get to check out the Z. If not were you on that thread for the driveway Austin one?
ahhh gotcha. I was considering doing it through the PDS but The Drivers Edge tracks at multiple tracks throughout Texas, including my home track MSR Houston. So it is more advantageous for me to track through them as it will allow me more exposure to their classes and eventually I'll be in the Solo group.

I was thinking about doing Driveway Austin, however the Texas World event through The Drivers Edge is the same date (May 16-17), so that's where I'll be.

If you're interested in track days my club rents out Grandsport (1 mile rack track) every quarter. The track is rented out to only our club for the entire day and we cap the cars at 15-20. This is open to all cars not just Camaro's. Our next event is March 15, $200 per driver and it's basically an open track, run as much as you want.

It's a small track but definitely worth the price, especially since you can run as much as you want.

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Seems every time I go to a HPDE I end up loaning somebody some blue painters tape or a mallet....Then I get home and realize they never returned the tools back....Maybe I'll just start hiding my stuff. lol
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Hi guys I will be at TWS with Drivers Edge the last weekend (2/28) this month. Anyone else?
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This is a Good news, bad news thread. Great information & very helpful, BUT..............Every time I read stuff like this I get scared off. My club guys keep saying, come on, you'll love it, you can do it. I get excited again & start planning to go to an event. Then I read stuff like this again & think about what all I need to do to get me & my car ready, all the stuff that can go wrong and.........................scared off again. My husband is terified for me to do stuff like this. As soon as I start telling him the things in this thread I need to do to get ready, he will start his fussing again too. I just don't know guys.
You should have a respectful fear, but not a terrifying fear. 99% of the time you'll be fine.

Brake fluid & go is NOT all you need to do ( i know SPCBA touched on more). Depending on your miles of your car, yous should check your brake pads to ensure you have enough pad life left, you have to drive home after the event as well.

Tire tread should be checked as well, each event is a little different has to how thorough they are on inspection. if you get to an event & your tires are almost gone, they won't let you on, AND THEY SHOULDN'T.

If you have a "weird sound" or a "noise" that you haven't had before, get it looked at if you can't do it yourself.

YOU DONT NEED TO FEAR THESE EVENTS, BUT YOU DO NEED TO RESPECT THEM. You a
er potentially pushing the car to the braking & traction limits based on your ability.

JUST HAVE FUN
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Brake fluid & go is NOT all you need to do ( i know SPCBA touched on more). Depending on your miles of your car, yous should check your brake pads to ensure you have enough pad life left, you have to drive home after the event as well.

Tire tread should be checked as well, each event is a little different has to how thorough they are on inspection. if you get to an event & your tires are almost gone, they won't let you on, AND THEY SHOULDN'T.
Fair things to point out and reinforce. But I feel like any car enthusiast would know to check the life on their consumables. In OEM format the car would be OK to track, with the exception of brake fluid which I think is what most people were meaning.
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Fair things to point out and reinforce. But I feel like any car enthusiast would know to check the life on their consumables. In OEM format the car would be OK to track, with the exception of brake fluid which I think is what most people were meaning.
Yep. completely agree, but some still run ZL1s & 1LEs with oem brake fluid. so I try not to assume people "know" what to check.
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