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Old 07-30-2009, 04:22 PM   #1
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Hesitation / Slipping

Anyone else have what feels like a slight hesitation/slippage in low gears with the LS3? I feel it most in 1st and 2nd at about 1/4 throttle. It feels like I'm driving in sand or losing traction, but obvisouly at 1/4 throttle I'm not, and it feels herky-jerky. If I floor it, all seems normal. It's been this way since I've had it (1600 miles), but I dismissed it as not knowing the car well and/or being paranoid...but now I'm convinced it's doing something.

Is this another quirky thing with this type of transmission? There aren't any weird noises or anything either..
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Old 07-31-2009, 01:55 PM   #2
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Welcome to my world! I was on the phone today when GM finally called me back after 2600 miles. My dealer says it's the Active Fuel Management system, and there is no fix. You can see my complaint list under bamacarfool on this site. GM advises there is no fix at this time, I told them I will need a drop dead date to fix the car or they can buy it back. Mine drives fine using the paddle shifters. I'm trading for a Chrysler if they don't fix mine soon!
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Old 07-31-2009, 01:57 PM   #3
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Welcome to my world! I was on the phone today when GM finally called me back after 2600 miles. My dealer says it's the Active Fuel Management system, and there is no fix. You can see my complaint list under bamacarfool on this site. GM advises there is no fix at this time, I told them I will need a drop dead date to fix the car or they can buy it back. Mine drives fine using the paddle shifters. I'm trading for a Chrysler if they don't fix mine soon!
The LS3 doesnt have Active Fuel Management, the L99 that is mated to the Auto has AFM.
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Old 07-31-2009, 02:31 PM   #4
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Oops, sorry, just too quick to think someone else was feeling my pain. Wanna buy an automatic w/2600 miles, make you a good deal
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Old 07-31-2009, 08:54 PM   #5
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Yeah, sorry, I have the LS3...it's subtle...kinda waiting to see if it gets worse before I go nuts. It does feel like it's not getting fuel or something for a second at a time...something like that.
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Old 07-31-2009, 11:06 PM   #6
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You know mine is doing the exact same thing, and I just thought that it was a new car or im just being paranoid. Im wondering if there is something wrong or not. When I floor it all is normal, its only at like 1/4 to 1/2 throttle.
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Old 08-01-2009, 08:06 AM   #7
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My LS3 should be here in a few days. So you guys have me worried now. What have your dealer said about this problem thus far?
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Old 08-01-2009, 09:09 AM   #8
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Well I actually never asked my dealer about it, I just wrote it off as being paranoid. Im going to take it in on Monday and see what they say, ill let you know what i figure out.
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Old 08-01-2009, 09:25 AM   #9
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On the LS3 and L99 autos the car has torque management and the auto is more so, That is what you feel and the only way to fix it is to get a good tune not by GM.
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Old 08-01-2009, 11:31 AM   #10
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On the LS3 and L99 autos the car has torque management and the auto is more so, That is what you feel and the only way to fix it is to get a good tune not by GM.
Hmm...OK, thanks for the info...just researched it, sounds about right. Did the LS1's have this? I don't remember feeling it in my Z28.
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Old 08-01-2009, 04:10 PM   #11
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Mine does it, but only when cold. Clears up after about a mile of driving.

My 04 GTO did the same thing. LS1 with a T56
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Old 08-01-2009, 07:11 PM   #12
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Well I actually never asked my dealer about it, I just wrote it off as being paranoid. Im going to take it in on Monday and see what they say, ill let you know what i figure out.
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Old 08-01-2009, 07:43 PM   #13
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I wish man. My brother flew them, and I always just loved them.
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Old 08-01-2009, 10:03 PM   #14
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I have the same problem, mostly when cold but it is still there but more subtle after warm! LS3 M6
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Old 08-01-2009, 10:31 PM   #15
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Yeah, I wish GM would have talked a little bit more about this feature....I didn't know about it and marked it on this JD Power survey thing I got as an (insignificant) issue. I didn't know it was designed that way. Oops.
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Old 08-02-2009, 09:49 AM   #16
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I filled out my JD Power request too and marked that I would not buy another Camaro. My main beef is GM knows about this AFM issue and has no fix for it! I find that hard to believe since its just a program change(?). GM called me on Friday as I can't drive my car in the Automatic mode, tooooo aggravating. My next call is to the local ABC news station, put it on the air for all to see in my area. My '02 Camaro SS had not 1 problem, sold it when I bought this new one, wish I had it back.
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Old 08-02-2009, 02:13 PM   #17
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bama, do you know how much engineering, R&D, and programming time it takes to get a fix out for the car. This is a company that has to follow a lot of rules, not a guy in his backyard that doesnt have to follow anything. A big corporation cant just go and re program a car. It has to pass all environmental, epa, and reliability rests.

I think most people really dont understand how much is involved.
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Old 08-02-2009, 06:37 PM   #18
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you bought a first year production car... you pretty much have to expect this kind of stuff. Give it about a year or so for GM to fix all the little issues, really not that big of a deal.

These kind of things happen in other industries as well, the computer industry to name one.
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Old 08-02-2009, 10:32 PM   #19
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Not here to bash or defend GM.

But, I am suprised to keep hearing about issues like these when the car has been on the road being tested in different situations in diffferent climates and yet the first year owners have to be an extension of their test drivers to nail down the "bugs".
Is it because the GM test drivers either ignore these "minor" problems? Or don't notice them because they get used to them?
Maybe the solution is while they are in "test mode" they (GM) should have real world drivers, or soon to be owners test drive them for a few weeks.

BTW - I've got the same issue with my V6 Auto...
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Old 08-03-2009, 02:41 AM   #20
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Not here to bash or defend GM.

But, I am surprised to keep hearing about issues like these when the car has been on the road being tested in different situations in different climates and yet the first year owners have to be an extension of their test drivers to nail down the "bugs".
Is it because the GM test drivers either ignore these "minor" problems? Or don't notice them because they get used to them?
Maybe the solution is while they are in "test mode" they (GM) should have real world drivers, or soon to be owners test drive them for a few weeks.

BTW - I've got the same issue with my V6 Auto...
Yeah, I'm gonna have to agree with you here. I have really just sat back and read all the posts over the last several months about various issues, most small and annoying but easily fixed, and others not so small. I'm not a complainer but I do like to keep up with what is going on. Every time I read a post about a particular problem that should have easily been caught in a CTF car I think to myself, isn't that why GM has the CTF cars, to fix that problem before it gets to us? Seems to me that many of the issues should have shown themselves during the CTF production run right? I mean if not, why even make them if they will not be representative of the actual "production" cars? I'm no automotive engineer so I won't even pretend to know all that's involved with the designing, building, and bringing to market of a modern-day car, but it just seems like a little more common sense during the testing phase might be helpful. Hell, I would LOVE to be part of a group of "real world" testers for a new vehicle. These people would not be employed by GM and would be better able to give a more unbiased opinion on the product. I think engineers at times can be very focused (no offense to any engineers here) and may not see the big picture, or they may just have so much time and energy invested that they can't see anything other than a perfect product, even if to an everyday person it may not be perfect. I think a non-engineer/auto company employee perspective and feedback would be very valuable to any company, especially during the testing.

That being said, my car has a similar issue. It only seems to happen when the car is cold, so I'm guessing the clutch/transmission just needs time to warm up. I remember the '07 Vette I drove felt the same way, so I think it is fairly normal for this set-up.
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Old 08-03-2009, 04:39 AM   #21
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So, if you guys think that evry little problem with a first year car should have been seen with the CTF cars, then go look in the mirror to see a fool! ALL manufactures get parts from other manufactures and YES, sometimes those parts are bad and don't get caught before a customer get the product. Take the broken output shafts on a few tranny's, wasn't GM's fault.... came from the manufacture that way and wasn't seen in the CTF cars. Problems happen with ANY man made items, some you never hear about or see. Now I know it reads like I'm defending GM, I'm defending the manufcture of any product that relies on other manufactures to build components for their products! So, if you have an issue with your camaro, then take it to the dealer and if they say there is no fix, call that 1-800 number for GM and speak to customer service..... sooner or later someone is going to listen or you can do the lemon law thing and get your money back.

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Old 08-03-2009, 09:35 AM   #22
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Mine does it, but only when cold. Clears up after about a mile of driving.

My 04 GTO did the same thing. LS1 with a T56
Exactly the same thing for me...only when cold. Let it warm up and she's fine.
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Old 08-16-2009, 10:27 AM   #23
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I just installed a CAI and it seems to have amplified the problem. Now it does it even after warmed up. It seems maybe it's getting too much air and has affected the fuel mixture and causing the torque management to kick in more. I tried it with the traction control and Stabilitrac disabled and had a slight improvement but it's hard to tell. Sometimes it's real subtle and other times it just about stalls! Has amyone installed a CAI and had this problem?
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Old 08-16-2009, 10:50 PM   #24
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Have you tried turning off the traction control?
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Old 08-17-2009, 05:37 AM   #25
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Exactly the same thing for me...only when cold. Let it warm up and she's fine.
Same here...
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