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Old 04-01-2014, 04:34 PM   #1
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Best Wet-Weather Tires? Wheels? TPMS?

I'm looking to have a second set of wheels/tires; these will only be used on the street -- for longer drives to far-away tracks -- and on the track for cool and damp conditions.

The two tires that seem to come up the most are:

Yokohama ADVAN Neova AD08 R ~ AND ~ Michelin Pilot Super Sports

Everyone seems to know the Michelins, and they're highly rated, but the Yokos are fairly new.
Does anyone have any experience with either of these?

Also, since the factory wheels are not yet available, I'm looking at two wheels:

Forgeline GA3


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Finspeed F11


My old track-day car used to auto-recognize the TPMS sensors. I could change from my track set to street set and the car would "handshake" with the wheels once they started to move. This made is super simple to switch wheels without having to reset the TPMS system.

I understand this is far more difficult with the TPMS on the Z/28 -- could someone elaborate on the best way to handle this? Forgeline tells me I can send them my OE TPMS sensors, and that they can program the replacements to the same coding so that my two sets are interchangeable. Would love to hear more from someone with experience in this...
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Old 04-01-2014, 05:01 PM   #2
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Just buy another set of tires for it?
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Old 04-01-2014, 05:04 PM   #3
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Just buy another set of tires for it?
i think he wants to swap wheels/tires at the track
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Old 04-01-2014, 07:44 PM   #4
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i think he wants to swap wheels/tires at the track
Yes, that's right. I plan on installing the "street" set before driving to more distant tracks, and switching to the Trofeos once I get there. I live very close to Sears Point, so if the weather is anything like today, I'd be using the "street" set for both the drive and the track. There was hail earlier, so I don't think the Trofeo R's would be a whole lot of fun...
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Old 04-01-2014, 07:55 PM   #5
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BRT3, I wouldn't stress over the TPMS....Personally, I don't even have it for my track tires and wheels....I take my street tires on and off all the time, the system recognizes them right away as long as they are put back on the original corners....In the case of a Z/28, you would probably want the sensors for your original track tires and wheels, so swapping those back to their original spot shouldn't be a problem....

Getting a second set of TPMS sensors for your street tires and wheels might be more trouble than it's worth....

Anyway, good luck....hope this helps....Most people hassle the tmps all the time, me I just ignore it anyhow....lol...
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I have a little experience with the Michelin PSS...and they are the best tire period...I was consistently in the top 3 autocrossing in the rain at Midwest Muscle Car and Run to Music City last year. The top 3 Modern Muscle Cars at Hotchkis Autocross last weekend were all running PSS, and our times where in the top 5 of all cars running...
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=295369
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Old 04-02-2014, 01:38 AM   #7
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I have a little experience with the Michelin PSS...and they are the best tire period...I was consistently in the top 3 autocrossing in the rain at Midwest Muscle Car and Run to Music City last year. The top 3 Modern Muscle Cars at Hotchkis Autocross last weekend were all running PSS, and our times where in the top 5 of all cars running...
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=295369
Wow, SoCal -- impressive thread and quite the testimonial for these tires! Thanks for the info...
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Old 04-02-2014, 04:41 PM   #8
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Got an update on the TPMS sensors from the SM at my dealership:

As far as I know, the TPMS sensors will have to be re-learned to the car every time the wheels are switched. I have to do this when I switch between our AutoX and Road Course wheels and tires. It is a simple procedure and only takes 30-60 seconds. I would assume the Z/28 will operate the same as all the other GM performance vehicles and different wheels and tires can be easily learned. I had to buy a $100 tool that programs the TMPS units to the car with the press of a button. It is basically the same tool that GM sells, but significantly less money.
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Old 04-02-2014, 04:57 PM   #9
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Looks like this is what's required to keep TPMS working after changing from one set of wheels/tires to another: TPMS ACTIVATION TOOL



Tool Number: EL-50448
Price (USD): $70.62
Tool Name: Tire Pressure Monitor Sensor Activation Tool

NOTICE: SPECIAL NON-DEALER PRICING IS $55.62
(Not the price shown above, in your shopping cart or on the order confirmation. Pricing adjustment will be made after order is submitted).

For certain vehicles equipped with a Tire Pressure Monitoring (TPM) system, a "Sensor Re-Learn Procedure" must be performed after tire rotations, Remote Control Door Lock Receiver Module replacement or Tire Pressure Sensor replacement. This re-learn procedure can be performed by using special tool EL-50448.
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Bridgestone Re11s are an amazing tire that will last longer than the Michelins, but don't know if they offer Camaro sizes.
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Old 04-02-2014, 08:02 PM   #11
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Old 04-02-2014, 09:41 PM   #12
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don't forget giving John Purner a call at CCW http://www.ccwheel.com/wheels.php

Awesome wheels built for racing and big with the Viper/Vette T1 crowd for many years.

I'm in the same boat here but the prices of the stock wheels were actually less than I expected so maybe they will become available. Does GM actually make these?
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Old 04-02-2014, 09:45 PM   #13
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don't forget giving John Purner a call at CCW http://www.ccwheel.com/wheels.php

Awesome wheels built for racing and big with the Viper/Vette T1 crowd for many years.

I'm in the same boat here but the prices of the stock wheels were actually less than I expected so maybe they will become available. Does GM actually make these?
Thanks for the heads up; I'll check them out. I'd never heard of Finspeed either, but my SM swears by them and runs them on his Katech'ed Z06. They look pretty good and also offer knurled rims, to prevent tire walk...

I don't know who's making the OEM Z/28 wheels. It will be interesting to see how soon someone can snag a pair, as I'm having zero luck so far. Same with replacement Trofeo Rs...
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I'm going back to Hoosiers or Goodyear slicks...trofeos are nice but tooooo much for a "consumable" with the low treadwear.
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When you have your Vin, go to the dealer and order a set of rims, i think gm will keep this car out of the public for extra parts so with out your vin it will not happen.
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When you have your Vin, go to the dealer and order a set of rims, i think gm will keep this car out of the public for extra parts so with out your vin it will not happen.
I'm getting the second Z/28 at my dealer, and the parts manager is going to use that first VIN to try and get wheels ordered. Will post here if successful...
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Have him do a spat case, that will get you the parts.
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P.S. so that is 2 cars your getting? if so nice i like that.
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P.S. so that is 2 cars your getting? if so nice i like that.
Didn't write that very clearly. I get the second Z/28 out of my dealer's allocation...
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When comparing unknown (first hand) tires, you may want to consider Tire Rack's comparison tool. If rain/wet performance is key to your purchase, that category is featured in their charting.
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When comparing unknown (first hand) tires, you may want to consider Tire Rack's comparison tool. If rain/wet performance is key to your purchase, that category is featured in their charting.
Thanks; been there, done that. Thing is, the Michelin PSS's have tons of reviews; the AD08R's are new and have almost none. The PSS's are a safe bet, for sure -- but I wish I could get more feedback on the Yokos...
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The PSSs are NOT R-rated. Are you looking for a "daily-use" tire? Tread wear and wet weather performance undoubtedly favors the Michelins (300-rated) in that environment. They also weigh 1 pound less/tire.

Yokos might be a consideration as a more track-oriented replacement (180-rated), but remember the chassis was "tuned" to the Trofeos, specifically. Anything else will be a compromise...
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The PSSs are NOT R-rated. Are you looking for a "daily-use" tire? Tread wear and wet weather performance undoubtedly favors the Michelins (300-rated) in that environment. They also weigh 1 pound less/tire.

Yokos might be a consideration as a more track-oriented replacement (180-rated), but remember the chassis was "tuned" to the Trofeos, specifically. Anything else will be a compromise...
I will mostly be driving my Z/28 on the track. Any street usage will consist mostly of break-in mileage and transit to the track. As mentioned, I'll use the factory set for track use. I want the second set for transit to tracks that are 2-3 hours away. However, I do want to be able to use the second set in conditions that don't favor the Trofeo R -- when it's cool and/or damp, for example. The past week at Sears Point it has been somewhat cool and very wet -- NOT ideal Trofeo weather...
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...Everyone seems to know the Michelins, and they're highly rated, but the Yokos are fairly new.
Does anyone have any experience with either of these?

Also, since the factory wheels are not yet available, I'm looking at two wheels: Forgeline GA3
An update and a question. The rep at TireRack maintains that the Yoko should be better for my use scenario. However, I get the feeling he's reading from a script on this one...

QUESTION: regarding the Forgelines. In speaking with the factory, the rep mentioned using spacers to allow me to rotate the tires around all 4 corners. Specifically, he states: "One option would be too run 19 x 11’s all around at a ET 20. You would have to run a 8 mm or ¼ inch spacer, but you could then rotate you tires…..Just a thought."

I am extremely reluctant to do anything that doesn't result in perfect geometry that matches the exact specs of the factory installation. Does anyone have any experience with this? My gut feeling is this: if it's this easy, then why didn't the factory go with this setup?
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