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Old 04-04-2014, 01:31 PM   #26
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Slow down here before you get attacked. I have been saying that most of the performance out of this thing is due to the wheels and tires and that a zl1 will be just as quick with the same set up.

at 400+lbs more weight - the ZL1 needs more than a good set of tires

it needs a diet
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Old 04-04-2014, 01:43 PM   #27
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I'm pretty sure I can make up half a second worth of time for less than $10,000 worth of mods to a Z/28 and still have enough left over from the $56,000 difference between these two cars to buy several sets of tires and add some interior touches to make the car more livable on the way home... lol

I agree that the tires are really helping this car do what it does... but isn't that the point? to design and build a car to go fast based on what you KNOW will make it go fast? I'd have to say this is proof that the Z/28 team knocked this one right out of the ballpark in that respect.
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Old 04-04-2014, 01:50 PM   #28
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at 400+lbs more weight - the ZL1 needs more than a good set of tires

it needs a diet


the real question is: with a $10,000-17,000 difference between the ZL1 and Z/28, can you buy enough mods to make the ZL1 outrun the Z/28?

I believe you can... $2000 for tires, $2000 in exhaust and $4000 in engine upgrades and you're going to be staring pretty hard at the GT3 and Z/28's taillights, if not looking at their headlights in the rear view mirror... factor in about $5000 in brake upgrades and you'll be doing even better than that.


the ZL1 is no slouch... it's a competent machine with a boatload of power... you might be surprised by what slapping a set of super sticky tires can do for a car that is well driven.
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Old 04-04-2014, 02:17 PM   #29
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For my usage scenario, the ZL1 is simply not an option. I don't beleive it can tolerate hard track usage in 90-to-100+ degree ambient temps. I also prefer the lighter weight and sound of the Z/28, along with its more track-centric focus. I look forward to seeing someone modify the ZL1 and then accurately comparing it to the Z/28. Until then, we don't know how successful those mods might be...
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Old 04-04-2014, 03:02 PM   #30
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I'm pretty sure I can make up half a second worth of time for less than $10,000 worth of mods to a Z/28 and still have enough left over from the $56,000 difference between these two cars to buy several sets of tires and add some interior touches to make the car more livable on the way home... lol

I agree that the tires are really helping this car do what it does... but isn't that the point? to design and build a car to go fast based on what you KNOW will make it go fast? I'd have to say this is proof that the Z/28 team knocked this one right out of the ballpark in that respect.

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the real question is: with a $10,000-17,000 difference between the ZL1 and Z/28, can you buy enough mods to make the ZL1 outrun the Z/28?

I believe you can... $2000 for tires, $2000 in exhaust and $4000 in engine upgrades and you're going to be staring pretty hard at the GT3 and Z/28's taillights, if not looking at their headlights in the rear view mirror... factor in about $5000 in brake upgrades and you'll be doing even better than that.


the ZL1 is no slouch... it's a competent machine with a boatload of power... you might be surprised by what slapping a set of super sticky tires can do for a car that is well driven.
I am old school hot rodder! I can't leave anything alone (well been pretty good to my wife's car)

I get what you are saying. You are the type of guy that probably lights the warranty on fire. I am getting this car to do a certain thing (drag, rod race, auto x, hpde, car show etc).

700whp out of an LSA is pretty much a phone call away and some dyno time.

Tires and wheels and brakes. Then the time spent to dial it all in.

There was that Pedders Camaro at 1 lap. DSE has built a Camaro. How would those hold up to the Z/28?

It all depends on what you want. If you have the 75k sitting around and want to be racing come May. Buy the Z/28.

If you would rather build something at your own pace and learn the car inside and out - Buy an SS or 1LE or ZL1.

I think GM originally thought it was going to use the Z/28 to be the GT500 fighter. Then set its eyes on bigger fish and decided to green light an all out car to hunt them down.

Seeing how many Porsche guys pop up here - id say they succeeded
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Old 04-04-2014, 03:33 PM   #31
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Awesome article. Z/28 was made for a purpose and its a "relative" bargain for the results. Unfortunately this "relative" would be about as far away as me being related to Kim Jong Un
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IMO you're either a ZL1 guy (gal) or a Z/28 guy (gal). Everyone has their own reasons and you won't convince them otherwise.

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Old 04-04-2014, 04:59 PM   #33
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the real question is: with a $10,000-17,000 difference between the ZL1 and Z/28, can you buy enough mods to make the ZL1 outrun the Z/28?

I believe you can... $2000 for tires, $2000 in exhaust and $4000 in engine upgrades and you're going to be staring pretty hard at the GT3 and Z/28's taillights, if not looking at their headlights in the rear view mirror... factor in about $5000 in brake upgrades and you'll be doing even better than that.


the ZL1 is no slouch... it's a competent machine with a boatload of power... you might be surprised by what slapping a set of super sticky tires can do for a car that is well driven.
That is the thing, no one is claiming that the ZL1 Camaro is a slow car or a car that can not perform. In fact if I were looking at a Z/28 and a ZL1 and wanted a good daily driver over all then the ZL1 Camaro will win hands down.

With that being said spending $17,000 on a ZL1 Camaro may net you a faster car and then it may not depends on what you spend it on and what track you are on.
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Old 04-04-2014, 10:39 PM   #34
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and yes, I am the kind of guy that basically lights the factory warranty on fire... because if I want a modded car, I will just make a modded car and deal with the consequences.

for me, I think I would find it enjoyable to build up a ZL1 to do track duties... bigger intercooler, better exhaust and porting and polishing on those heads, combined with upgrading the brakes, tires and maybe some lighter rims, I think I would be around $10,000 in mods... and have a car that could not only keep up with the Z/28 (keep in mind that I'm an ex SCCA competition license carrying driver) but also keep up with the Porsches and other exotics

and all in a vehicle that I could dial in the magnetic ride mode to soft and comfortable and drive home in my auto equipped ZL1 while making funny faces at my daughter in the rear view mirror as she giggles in the back seat


but I will agree that the Z/28 is a better starting point if you're looking for a real track car... because the things they put into the Z/28 from the factory... they just haven't done anything like that since the original RPO cars from the '60s and '70s.
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Old 04-05-2014, 10:53 AM   #35
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I think it is funny that the Camaro is being beaten on the straights.... if someone told you that it will win in the corners 10 years ago compared to cars like the Porsche 911 what would you have said?.
Took the words right out of my mouth.Wow. Who would have thunk it
Go further back to the early 80's when the Z28 had 145 hp and no handling whatsoever. Owning a Z28 PaceCar thought I was a cool kid. lol but used to drool like crazy over the Porsches and other Exotics. FF Still love the Porsche but drooling a bit more over the Z28. Man things have come along way.
After blowing the engine just sold supercharger and they picked up the car this morning. Building a forged NA engine for road course and street use. With all the money tied up in this thing could have had a Z28 and more tires. lol It's never going to be a Z28 but hopefully will sneak up on a few people out there
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Sweet. Still I'd probably the take the GT3, or wait until the new GT3RS, that will be some more comparable competition, the Z/28 feels more like an RS where as the GT3 is more similar to a 1LE (more like halfway between the 1LE and the ZL1).
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Sweet. Still I'd probably the take the GT3, or wait until the new GT3RS, that will be some more comparable competition, the Z/28 feels more like an RS where as the GT3 is more similar to a 1LE (more like halfway between the 1LE and the ZL1).
And what's the price of that?
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And what's the price of that?
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Also neglected to mention that GT3's still don't roam in the wild because of the quarantine for throwing rods through their crankcases
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Also neglected to mention that GT3's still don't roam in the wild because of the quarantine for throwing rods through their crankcases
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very good read.

whats amazing is that the GT3 put down that lap time without stripping down like the Z/28 did. thats a seriously fast car. but its awesome that the Z can hang with it. cant wait to see one of these in person.
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very good read.

whats amazing is that the GT3 put down that lap time without stripping down like the Z/28 did. thats a seriously fast car. but its awesome that the Z can hang with it. cant wait to see one of these in person.
The GT3 is a bit stripped over the standard 991 Carrera, but not as bare bones as the Z/28.

Difference is that the GT3/Carrera base chassis is strong and light through extensive use of high end alloys, and the prices of these cars reflects the engineering/materials used in them. The Camaro's chassis OTOH has much humbler beginnings, and of course physically much larger.

3800lbs v. 3200lbs is a WORLD of difference. Coupled with better aero, lighter weight, and an under rated 475 hp (some reports have it just under 500 hp) no wonder why it's faster down the straights.

To me the notable part of the story is that the the Camaro sticks better in the corners. While a lot of credit goes to the huge 305 hoosier-like shoes, it is interesting to note that the Camaro shines in transitions, where you would think it's fat-kid weight would make it feel ponderous and bloated. But the reviews say otherwise. Amazing.
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Old 04-18-2014, 09:49 AM   #42
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Thanks for posting this.

The one thing that would kill me with that car are the tires, and I can't wait to hear how many miles people get out of them.

In 2 years & 38K miles, I'm getting ready for my 6th set of tires (no burnouts, just a LOT of canyon driving) and they've been 200 to 300 tread wear...
I get 6000mi /year out of Nitto and Mickey Thompson drag radials (000 treadwear both), but I don't canyon drive, and only do about 50 passes/yr at the strip. last year I Dragged on 295/R30X20 Michelin Super Sports, and got 6000mi on them. Installation of a line lock didn't help the life of the back tires ;-)
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