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Old 07-24-2009, 02:59 PM   #1
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Final rules for Cash for Clunkers released

Here are the final rules for the program.

http://www.cars.gov/files/TheRule.pdf
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Old 07-25-2009, 05:28 PM   #2
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That's a huge document.

For readers:

If you open it and find page 27; the bottom half of the page starts the critera for eligible vehicles.
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Old 07-25-2009, 05:46 PM   #3
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Yea my bad for not linking the easier to digest version.

http://www.cars.gov/faq

Remember the old car they use the original sticker combined MPG. Which is silly cause it's more confusing. The new car uses the new combined MPG lol.
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Yea my bad for not linking the easier to digest version.

http://www.cars.gov/faq

Remember the old car they use the original sticker combined MPG. Which is silly cause it's more confusing. The new car uses the new combined MPG lol.
Are you sure about that? If you look on page 32 in the official Rule document (http://www.cars.gov/files/TheRule.pdf) at the very last paragraph called "Combined Fuel Economy", it states that you look at the combined number under the heading "Estimated New EPA MPG" on the fueleconomy.gov website for your clunker vehicle.

Please confirm...
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Are you sure about that? If you look on page 32 in the official Rule document (http://www.cars.gov/files/TheRule.pdf) at the very last paragraph called "Combined Fuel Economy", it states that you look at the combined number under the heading "Estimated New EPA MPG" on the fueleconomy.gov website for your clunker vehicle.

Please confirm...
Here is another article that clarifies the rule..
http://www.detnews.com/article/20090...318/1148/rss25
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Old 07-25-2009, 11:07 PM   #6
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Since they are not specific about models of vehicles than the Camaro is technically eligible as long as our old clunker meets requirements and the difference between the two (gas mileage combo) meets requirements, correct?
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Old 07-25-2009, 11:23 PM   #7
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Since they are not specific about models of vehicles than the Camaro is technically eligible as long as our old clunker meets requirements and the difference between the two (gas mileage combo) meets requirements, correct?
The automatic V6 Camaro is eligible if you have the right clunker to trade in..
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The automatic V6 Camaro is eligible if you have the right clunker to trade in..
I think my clunker qualify.. I have a 1993 Mitsubishi 3000GT automatic and the estimated NEW COMBINED EPA MPG is 18. In addition I met all the other qualifications such as owning the vehicle for a least 1 year, clean title, insurance, etc.

I have a 2010 2LT automatic Camaro on order at status code 1100. My order is next in line to be picked up by GM from the dealer which is expected this week (July 30th).

Several questions...
1. Does I qualify based on the information provided so far?
2. Must the new vehicle be manufactured in the US?
3. How do I know that my dealer is participating in the Clusters plan or based on the law, all dealers must participate?
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I think my clunker qualify.. I have a 1993 Mitsubishi 3000GT automatic and the estimated NEW COMBINED EPA MPG is 18. In addition I met all the other qualifications such as owning the vehicle for a least 1 year, clean title, insurance, etc.

I have a 2010 2LT automatic Camaro on order at status code 1100. My order is next in line to be picked up by GM from the dealer which is expected this week (July 30th).

Several questions...
1. Does I qualify based on the information provided so far?
2. Must the new vehicle be manufactured in the US?
3. How do I know that my dealer is participating in the Clusters plan or based on the law, all dealers must participate?
Yea looks like I was wrong on the new vs old sticker.

Ok on your q's. You should go to the cars site they have a tool where you input your vehicle and the one you want and it will give you all the info.

All USA dealers participate.

Here is what they are supposed to do to the engine. :(

I can't watch or listen to that it would freak me out. Quote from the final rules pdf.

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Dealers will have to remove "the engine oil from the crankcase, replacing it with a 40 percent solution of sodium silicate (a substance used in similar concentrations in many common vehicle applications, including patching mufflers and radiators), and (run) the engine for a short period of time at low speeds (rendering) the engine inoperable," NHTSA said. In a July 21 letter, the National Automobile Dealers Association argued that Congress did not assign the task of making the engine inoperable to the dealers, and that if required to do so, the dealers should be paid.

"We believe that having the engine permanently disabled at the dealer greatly reduces the risk of fraud," said NHTSA, adding that disabling the engines will cost dealers no more than $30.

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I could be wrong but I think your clunker has to be older than 2001.....
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Old 07-26-2009, 12:20 PM   #11
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I could be wrong but I think your clunker has to be older than 2001.....
That's only for Cat 3 which are heavy trucks. Like towtrucks etc 8500 GVWR+.

Cat 1 and 2 are up to 25 years old with no min age.
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Yea looks like I was wrong on the new vs old sticker.

Ok on your q's. You should go to the cars site they have a tool where you input your vehicle and the one you want and it will give you all the info.

All USA dealers participate.

Here is what they are supposed to do to the engine. :(

I can't watch or listen to that it would freak me out. Quote from the final rules pdf.
I was on the cars.gov website and found that my GM dealer is one of the participating dealers. You can find whether or not your dealer participates by clicking on the Dealer Locator button on the cars.gov website..

On one of the other forums, a member posted the following comment about the program....

"Just an item to note, the "voucher" price, whatever that is, is ON TOP of the scrap value price that the dealer must disclose and give you for your "clunker". So for example, if they say your car is worth $200 scrap, and you qualify for a 4500 voucher, you actually get a $4700 credit. It's cumulative, not exclusive.

If anyone does this, just keep that in mind."

Cam someone point me to the specific language in the plan to confirm the above statement. Based on the research I have done so far, I qualify. Hopefully my car will be delivered before Nov. 1, 2009 or there is still money let in the plan.
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Old 07-26-2009, 02:19 PM   #13
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Hum well I don't know about the scrap value added on.

Kia is offering Spectra LX for $5,500 bucks with matched 3500 dollar incentive on top of the 4500 most qualify for. (just an example of stuff going on).
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Old 07-26-2009, 04:27 PM   #14
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I was on the cars.gov website and found that my GM dealer is one of the participating dealers. You can find whether or not your dealer participates by clicking on the Dealer Locator button on the cars.gov website..

On one of the other forums, a member posted the following comment about the program....

"Just an item to note, the "voucher" price, whatever that is, is ON TOP of the scrap value price that the dealer must disclose and give you for your "clunker". So for example, if they say your car is worth $200 scrap, and you qualify for a 4500 voucher, you actually get a $4700 credit. It's cumulative, not exclusive.

If anyone does this, just keep that in mind."

Cam someone point me to the specific language in the plan to confirm the above statement. Based on the research I have done so far, I qualify. Hopefully my car will be delivered before Nov. 1, 2009 or there is still money let in the plan.
Sorry but I've read though the whole PDF and every time the PDF talks about the scrap value is when the dealer sells the scrapped car. Nothing I have found says that you get the scrap value plus the voucher.
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Old 07-26-2009, 04:30 PM   #15
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Hum well I don't know about the scrap value added on.

Kia is offering Spectra LX for $5,500 bucks with matched 3500 dollar incentive on top of the 4500 most qualify for. (just an example of stuff going on).
Aye that's because the dealer must add the CFC voucher on top or any incentives or rebates already offered on the vehicle being bought.
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Well.. here is how they destroy the engine.

It's hard to watch this. :(

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Old 07-29-2009, 10:14 PM   #17
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Is the SS eligible?
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Old 07-29-2009, 10:22 PM   #18
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No only the Automatic LLT V6 models for $3500.

Click begin here and it has a qualification tool.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/CarsSearchIntro.shtml

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Old 07-30-2009, 08:17 AM   #19
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Pretty ironic that it seems a lot of people view 4th gen Camaros as gas guzzlers, however they don't qualify. Seems the LS motor equipped ones got too good of gas mileage.

Not that I agree with the article below on the cars value, (if I could pick up a nice 2001 Z28 for $3000 I'd find it hard not too buy it).

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2009/...lunkers/2.html

Cash for Clunkers: Is it for you?
2001 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Combined MPG: 19
Trade-in value: $2,700
Verdict: Can't crush it
As much as owners of the Chevrolet Camaro Z28 might love their car, they'd probably jump at the chance to get their hands on the government's $4,500. "Cash for clunkers" would be a good option for them, but the Z28 doesn't qualify.
Believe it or not, this muscle car's fuel economy is too good. It gets a combined city and highway fuel economy of 19 mpg, 1 mpg too high.

That's a major bummer for Z28 owners, since the car is worth considerably less than what it could have gotten from Uncle Sam.
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Pretty ironic that it seems a lot of people view 4th gen Camaros as gas guzzlers, however they don't qualify. Seems the LS motor equipped ones got too good of gas mileage.

Not that I agree with the article below on the cars value, (if I could pick up a nice 2001 Z28 for $3000 I'd find it hard not too buy it).

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2009/...lunkers/2.html

Cash for Clunkers: Is it for you?
2001 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Combined MPG: 19
Trade-in value: $2,700
Verdict: Can't crush it
As much as owners of the Chevrolet Camaro Z28 might love their car, they'd probably jump at the chance to get their hands on the government's $4,500. "Cash for clunkers" would be a good option for them, but the Z28 doesn't qualify.
Believe it or not, this muscle car's fuel economy is too good. It gets a combined city and highway fuel economy of 19 mpg, 1 mpg too high.

That's a major bummer for Z28 owners, since the car is worth considerably less than what it could have gotten from Uncle Sam.
I saw that article... are they on crack $2700?? I would buy one right now if I could pick it up for $2700! Check the prices, an 01 Z28 unless its got major miles on it picks up $5,000 easily.
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dang..I really thought that the SS would qualify!
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I saw that article... are they on crack $2700?? I would buy one right now if I could pick it up for $2700! Check the prices, an 01 Z28 unless its got major miles on it picks up $5,000 easily.
That's just what banks will use for loans etc. They don't count mods and no cars appreciate till after 25 years on the official books.
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Sounds like Cash 4 Clunkers is going too well... Might be almost over!

Just saw this... Don't know how true it is but I'd use it soon if I could.
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/07/30/r...-dead-tonight/
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That's just what banks will use for loans etc. They don't count mods and no cars appreciate till after 25 years on the official books.
No I understand that, but read the article, they basically say a 2001 Z28 Owner would jump at $4500 for their car, when thats so ridiculously low (even for a dead stock one, honestly modded cars are worth less.)!
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