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Old 02-27-2010, 07:42 PM   #101
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The first car I was able to get my hands on to drive was the automatic 6cyl and after driving it, I still wanted the 8. Then I got a chance to drive the manual 6cyl and decided that I didn't need the 8. The manual feels more powerful, and in my opinion is more fun to drive. It also has the posi rear end where the auto does not. I LOVE my 6cyl it has plenty of power, everyone that has even ridden with me was impressed by the power it had, although I still want some 4.10 gears a more agressive exhaust note and possibly some sort of FI in the future, but it's great as it is for now.
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Old 02-27-2010, 11:53 PM   #102
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My supervisor at work has a HEMI Ram, and had 2 older Trans-AMs (I wanna say 85ish, both?) And he's driven one of our coworker's older 350z (2005?)

Of them all, it's my car that he's most impressed with and wants...he just agrees that something definately needs to be done about the exhaust (stock, mrt v2 & JBA's on the way)
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Old 02-28-2010, 12:01 AM   #103
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The V6 is fast enough for me...304 HP!!! And Save Money....I didn't buy it to race...I bought it because it looks good!!!
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Old 02-28-2010, 09:18 PM   #104
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Funny when you look back and for example the '87 corvette was only 250hp and it wasn't until chevy came out with the LT1 that they hit 300hp. Now people are asking if 304hp is enough.

When the ZR-1 came out in '90 if was the hottest thing going and was 375hp.

Now we have the new ZR1 with over 600hp!!

How much is enough.....
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Old 03-01-2010, 01:41 AM   #105
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Never enough!

But the 304hp is a HELL of a starting point for under $24000 brand new
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maybe a better question is, "is the V8 too powerful". Unless you are going on a track the extra power is pretty much useless for day to day driving and cruising.

the quarter mile time is useless as you can't legally go that fast on public roads, and if caught, 100 mph fines are pretty steep - you'll probably have a mandatory visit to the judge. The 0 to 60 second time is negligible when you factor in the human factor and having to watch cars in front, cars on your side (if merging on a highway), etc.

If you goal is to get your head snapped back harder, want deeper noise, get the v8. If you marvel engineering, look at the V6. It gets more power per liter, handles every bit as good as the V8, maybe a little better in steering. It does this without the more pricey brembos, premium fuel, more expensive oil, and better mileage. The V6 is a look at the future, the V8 will soon be the past.

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Old 03-01-2010, 08:12 AM   #107
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The v6 is WAY more than enough to get you a Careless and & Imprudent, a speeding ticket, and a whole lotta trouble..

Lucky for me he only gave me an "Improper Turn" ticket when he saw the 41 year old fool with the clean record get out of the car...
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Old 03-01-2010, 10:22 AM   #108
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I can get a ticket just as fast as any SS owner so.........yup!
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I can get a ticket just as fast as any SS owner so.........yup!
lol tell me about it i got an 85 in a 65 this past week , and a failure to display license plate...lol..thank god for having a good lawyer..
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Old 03-02-2010, 04:35 PM   #110
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If the V6 Camaro isn't fast enough, the neither was the 1967 SS 350 Camaro
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The v6 is WAY more than enough to get you a Careless and & Imprudent, a speeding ticket, and a whole lotta trouble..

Lucky for me he only gave me an "Improper Turn" ticket when he saw the 41 year old fool with the clean record get out of the car...

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If the V6 Camaro isn't fast enough, the neither was the 1967 SS 350 Camaro
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I had a '69 RS 350 Camaro back in High School and I thought it was pretty fast.

Times change and funny when my every day car is faster....
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Old 03-02-2010, 08:25 PM   #113
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I just got my V6 Camaro last week, and really like it, i traded in a 05 Dodge Ram single cab 4x4, with a HEMI!!!, and since driving this Camaro for a week or so, im not disappointed in the least, Really, really like it. My first Chevy, First Camaro, and couldnt be happier, and feel like 2ltCamaro said, i didnt buy it for a race car, i just loved how the Camaros looked. I didnt bother to drive a SS, cause i couldnt afford one, i drove what i could afford, loved it, and got it.
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I just got my V6 Camaro last week, and really like it, i traded in a 05 Dodge Ram single cab 4x4, with a HEMI!!!, and since driving this Camaro for a week or so, im not disappointed in the least, Really, really like it. My first Chevy, First Camaro, and couldnt be happier, and feel like 2ltCamaro said, i didnt buy it for a race car, i just loved how the Camaros looked. I didnt bother to drive a SS, cause i couldnt afford one, i drove what i could afford, loved it, and got it.
Well that certainly makes sense. Best of luck with your new ride!!
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Old 03-02-2010, 08:48 PM   #115
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you can never have enough power.even us 2ss/rs guy are in search of MORE POWER!! gotta love it.
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Old 03-02-2010, 08:54 PM   #116
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you can never have enough power.even us 2ss/rs guy are in search of MORE POWER!! gotta love it.
I bet you'll be first in line for the Z-28.
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Old 03-19-2010, 07:59 PM   #117
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What about more V6 DI options

The 3.6DI has been out for 3 years and now Ford bringing out a 3.7DI to compete. I would love to see an updated 3.6DI with slightly bigger valves and better exhaust or better yet GM should bore it out or have a 3.8 or 4.3DI engines the 3.8DI with say 345hp and maybe 370hp for the 4.3DI and have that be a true midlevel camaro RS instead of the RS being an option. Then you could have say a twin turbo or supercharged 475hp V6 Z28 RS package as well as the big supercharged 555hp Z28 that and cut down about 200 pounds off of the car.
To tell you the truth I think the car looks good a little update tweeking in the future and say cut weight about 300 pounds improving braking, economy and handling. Also improve the visability and maybe a little more trunk space and then it will be absolutely perfect. I can see it now a 2013 Camaro and Z28 weighing about 3400-3500 with DI engines with weight saving and DI off the current your looking at 31MPG with V6 and a DI V8 pumping out 455hp and about 28MPG which is good enough. Zero to 60 in about 5.5 for improved v6 and about 4.5 for SS the Z would blast in at about 4 seconds. At least .94 or better lateal Gs and we have a world beater.
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Old 03-19-2010, 08:36 PM   #118
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The 3.6DI has been out for 3 years and now Ford bringing out a 3.7DI to compete. I would love to see an updated 3.6DI with slightly bigger valves and better exhaust or better yet GM should bore it out or have a 3.8 or 4.3DI engines the 3.8DI with say 345hp and maybe 370hp for the 4.3DI and have that be a true midlevel camaro RS instead of the RS being an option. Then you could have say a twin turbo or supercharged 475hp V6 Z28 RS package as well as the big supercharged 555hp Z28 that and cut down about 200 pounds off of the car.
To tell you the truth I think the car looks good a little update tweeking in the future and say cut weight about 300 pounds improving braking, economy and handling. Also improve the visability and maybe a little more trunk space and then it will be absolutely perfect. I can see it now a 2013 Camaro and Z28 weighing about 3400-3500 with DI engines with weight saving and DI off the current your looking at 31MPG with V6 and a DI V8 pumping out 455hp and about 28MPG which is good enough. Zero to 60 in about 5.5 for improved v6 and about 4.5 for SS the Z would blast in at about 4 seconds. At least .94 or better lateal Gs and we have a world beater.
The 3.7 Duratec motor is not direct inject... The 3.5 Ecoboost is a DI motor...
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Old 03-20-2010, 03:24 PM   #119
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Well said Calfan! Thanks for the specs!

Calfan, WELL DONE!

As a previous owner of a 1975 350 V8 Munci 4 Speed Camaro Coupe, I have to tell you that I am very happy with my 2LT M6 SW 2010. It's my daily driver and it's 200% more functionaly than my 75 was for so many reasons. I may have enjoyed more torque from y old 350 (almost 400 pd/ft and over 350 HP) but it came at a tremendous cost at the pump and it was so very thirsty it was absolutely a weekend car. I have driven every generation of Camaro and this one is absolutely the best yet!

My 2010 2LT is a BLAST to drive and the power hooks up far better than my 75 did, even with all my mods of limited slip, frame connectors, 4 wheel disc , suspension mods etc. My country mechanic (who builds old GM cars for a living) said it best. GM is going to put my custom hot rod projects out of business! I can't build a better car for even double what a new 2010 Camaro costs, V6 or V8! This he said after he rebuilt a 65 Chevelle from two parts cars for a total of over $35,000 CDN.

SO, if you want a safer, more efficient and better handling Camaro to use as a daily driver, order yourself a V6 2010 Camaro with a manual 6 speed. YOU WILL LOVE IT, every time you get into it!

I am now leaving for a drive to anywhere, it's sunny and mild out! Later everyone!

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1967 Camaro – 230 CI S6 – 140 HP
1967 Camaro – 250 CI V6 – 155 HP
1967 Camaro RS – 350 CI V8 – 295 HP
1966 Z/28 - introduced high-compression 302 CI V8 - 350 HP
1969 Camaro - 307 V8 – 225 HP
1969 Camaro – 350 V8 – 255 HP
1969 Camaro – 350 V8 – 250 HP
1969 Camaro – 350 V8 – 295 HP
1969 Camaro – 327 V8 - 210 HP
1969 Camaro – 327 V8 - 275 HP
1969 Camaro – 396 V8 - 375 HP
1969 Camaro – 396 V8 - 325 HP
1969 Camaro – 396 V8 - 350 HP
1969 COPO Camaro – 427 V8 – 425 HP
1969 COPO Camaro – 427 V8 – 430 HP

1970 Camaro - 250 CI V6 – 155 HP
1970 Camaro – 350 V8 – 300 HP
1970 ½ Z28 Camaro – 350 LT1 – 360 HP
1971 Camaro - 250 CI V6 – 155 HP
1971 Camaro – 350 LT1 – 255 HP
1973 Camaro – 350 V8 – 245 HP
1974 Camaro – 250 V6 – 105 HP
1974 Camaro – 350 V8 – 155 HP
1976 Camaro – 305 V8 – 140 HP
1976 Camaro – 350 V8 – 165 HP
1977 Camaro - 350 V8 – 170 HP
1978 Camaro Z28 – 350 V8 – 185 HP
1980 Camaro – 229 V6 – 115 HP
1980 Camaro – 231 V6 – 110 HP
1980 Camaro - 267 V8 – 120 HP
1980 Camaro Z28 – 350 V8 – 190 HP
1980 Camaro – 305 V8 – 155 HP
1981 Camaro Z28 – 350 V8 – 175 HP
1982 Camaro – 2.5 Liter 4 Cyl – 90 HP
1982 Camaro – 2.8 Liter V6 – 112 HP:(
1982 Camaro – 5.0 Liter (305 CI) V8 – 145 HP
1982 Camaro Z28 Crossfire Injection – 5.0 Liter V8 – 165 HP
1983 Camaro Z28 L69 – 5.0 Liter – 190 HP
1985 IROC-Z Z28 Camaro – 5.0 V8 – 215 HP
1987 IROC–Z Z28 Camaro – 5.0 V8 – 225 HP
1987 Camaro Z28 – 5.0 V8 – 165 HP
1989 Camaro – 5.7 V8 – 240 HP
1990 Camaro – 3.1 V6 – 140 HP
1991 Camaro Z28 – 5.7 V8 – 245 HP
1993 Camaro – 3.4 V6 – 160 HP
1993 Camaro Z28 – 5.7 V8 – 275 HP
1995 Camaro – 3.8 V6 – 200 HP
1996 Camaro Z28 – 5.7 V8 – 285 HP
1996 Camaro SS – 5.7 V8 – 305 HP
1997 Camaro Z28 SS – 5.7 V8 – 330 HP
1998 Camaro – 5.7 V8 – 305 HP
1998 Camaro SS – 5.7 V8 – 320 HP
2001 Camaro Z28 – 5.7 V8 – 310 HP



Of the 15ea. Z28's offered over the past 34 years of Camaro history, only 4 have had more power than the 2010 V6.

Of all the 53 engines offered, only 11 have had more Horsepower than the 2010 V6.

Comparatively, the 2010 weighs best against the 2nd gen models; 1970 – 1981. Of the 2nd gen models, only 1 engine has offered more Horsepower than the 2010; the 1970 ½ Z28.

The 1st gen models weighed in at approx. 3040 lbs.
The 2nd gen models weighed in at approx. 3700 lbs.
The 3rd gen models weighed in at approx. 2940 lbs.
The 4th gen models weighed in at approx. 3440 lbs.
The 5th gen cars weigh in at approx. 3700 lbs.

If you’ve been a fan of the Camaro and it’s heritage, the 2010 V6 is amongst the top 25% of the most powerful Camaro’s produced in all 5 generations of this model car.

The SS, at 426 HP, is amongst the top 3%.
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I think the 304 in the 6 is more shocking then 420 in the V8. You expect the 8 to be powerful, you expect it to push you back in the seat. You get in a V8 and you expect to feel the power. The 6 though you don't expect it at all if you don't know the car. I tell people I bought the 6 and they always say "why"?! Start in on the numbers and their jaw usually drops. Get them in the car and they are blown away.

When I had my mustang and people asked "is is the V8?" I always said "no, it's just the 6.".
When people ask me now if it's the v8 I say "No, it's the 6"
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you can never have enough power.even us 2ss/rs guy are in search of MORE POWER!! gotta love it.
Only to some people .. you actually can have too much power especially if you sacrifice durability in the name of power...
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I have Automatic. When I put it in Sport, it is amazing.
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I have Automatic. When I put it in Sport, it is amazing.
+1 to that. It's a complete animal in that sport mode, and even more so in the manual flappy paddles. After driving mine spiritedly in those modes, I know that the power of an SS would not only be unneccesary for my road-only driving, but also probably scare the $hit outta me.

That being said, there will ALWAYS be people that want the most power. If only to be able to pull up somewhere and say yeah it's got ###hp.

The fact is, they both go a limited 155 and most SS or V6 won't ever see a speed near that. For the few that do, I will marvel over your engine builds, come to car shows to see your shiny Maggies, then hop back in my 2LT and head home, completely content.
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Having just stepped out of an '07 Mustang GT (manual) that I had for 3 years (leased) and bought a 2010 V6 Camaro (auto) here's my take on the Mustang / Camaro question.

1) I don't like how that 2010 Mustangs look, part of my decision to go Chevy vs another Mustang.
2) A new V8/GT would set me back about 32k. The V6 Camaro set me back 24k. Huge Factor.
3) The Mustang had a Live Axle, The Camaro has IRS. Fine. Sorry but the Mustang still handled better and just stuck to the road better around sharp high speed corners. The Camaro feels tight too in terms of traction but the whole car sways so much it's a bit scary by contrast.
4) The Mustang had 302 HP I believe. The Camaro V6 has 304. Ok, well I have to say again, the Mustang, hands down, had way more power all over the RPM range. It's not so much at launch, it's more when you hit the 40mph - 80mpg range where the Camaro just has to really shift down 2 gears or so to really get it to kick in. The Mustang you just stepped on the gas and Whhhhhhhhhamm... went from 50 to 90 in a blink.

5) The Camaro is arguably a more "Refined" car. Feels more expensive. Looks more expensive. It DOES have decent power. One of the fastest cars out there in my daily commute around florida. But at the same time it's def not in the same league as even the '07 GT and I try to remember that as BMW's and idle next to me at the traffic light. My stock GT I'd whoop the pants off of nearly anything next to me. The Camaro (again.. V6), I'm never quite sure and it's 50/50 whether I'll be staring at their rear end and I have to make a mental note to simply not even try so I don't embarass myself.

I love the Camaro though. It's just a different type of car. I'm sure the SS would whoop the doors off the of the stock GT and so it's all a matter of perspective.

Powerwise, comparing the 304 HP Camaro to the 05'-'09 series GT 302hp mustang is simply foolish. The numbers look the same. But hey... the numbers are really misleading.

Handing? High speed cornering (even bumps yes) and whatnot, the GT was better. Around the town just general highway stuff? The Camaro is the better beast.

I will say this too, there are like 5 billion Mustangs around down here in FL. I think I've seen like 4 Camaro's. That makes me feel a bit special I know that won't last but I have a few years to go I think.

Bottomline: Camaro is 10k cheaper. Almost as fast. Looks better than the 2010 series mustangs. Looks expensive. Drives well. Better fuel economy (avg 22.5mpg compared to about 18mpg in the GT).
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Having just stepped out of an '07 Mustang GT (manual) that I had for 3 years (leased) and bought a 2010 V6 Camaro (auto) here's my take on the Mustang / Camaro question.

1) I don't like how that 2010 Mustangs look, part of my decision to go Chevy vs another Mustang.
2) A new V8/GT would set me back about 32k. The V6 Camaro set me back 24k. Huge Factor.
3) The Mustang had a Live Axle, The Camaro has IRS. Fine. Sorry but the Mustang still handled better and just stuck to the road better around sharp high speed corners. The Camaro feels tight too in terms of traction but the whole car sways so much it's a bit scary by contrast.
4) The Mustang had 302 HP I believe. The Camaro V6 has 304. Ok, well I have to say again, the Mustang, hands down, had way more power all over the RPM range. It's not so much at launch, it's more when you hit the 40mph - 80mpg range where the Camaro just has to really shift down 2 gears or so to really get it to kick in. The Mustang you just stepped on the gas and Whhhhhhhhhamm... went from 50 to 90 in a blink.

5) The Camaro is arguably a more "Refined" car. Feels more expensive. Looks more expensive. It DOES have decent power. One of the fastest cars out there in my daily commute around florida. But at the same time it's def not in the same league as even the '07 GT and I try to remember that as BMW's and idle next to me at the traffic light. My stock GT I'd whoop the pants off of nearly anything next to me. The Camaro (again.. V6), I'm never quite sure and it's 50/50 whether I'll be staring at their rear end and I have to make a mental note to simply not even try so I don't embarass myself.

I love the Camaro though. It's just a different type of car. I'm sure the SS would whoop the doors off the of the stock GT and so it's all a matter of perspective.

Powerwise, comparing the 304 HP Camaro to the 05'-'09 series GT 302hp mustang is simply foolish. The numbers look the same. But hey... the numbers are really misleading.

Handing? High speed cornering (even bumps yes) and whatnot, the GT was better. Around the town just general highway stuff? The Camaro is the better beast.

I will say this too, there are like 5 billion Mustangs around down here in FL. I think I've seen like 4 Camaro's. That makes me feel a bit special I know that won't last but I have a few years to go I think.

Bottomline: Camaro is 10k cheaper. Almost as fast. Looks better than the 2010 series mustangs. Looks expensive. Drives well. Better fuel economy (avg 22.5mpg compared to about 18mpg in the GT).

I agree with your "bottomline" but I like both cars, the price is excellent, i beat the piss outta my camaro(V6/M6) and still get right @ 25mpg's & thats hard to beat for a big ass car w/ 304hp! Although I cant wait to see the new 2011 Stang V6's out on the road.
You expect a 8 cylinder car to be fast, but these new 6's are sweet!
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