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Old 03-20-2010, 03:39 PM   #120
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I think the 304 in the 6 is more shocking then 420 in the V8. You expect the 8 to be powerful, you expect it to push you back in the seat. You get in a V8 and you expect to feel the power. The 6 though you don't expect it at all if you don't know the car. I tell people I bought the 6 and they always say "why"?! Start in on the numbers and their jaw usually drops. Get them in the car and they are blown away.

When I had my mustang and people asked "is is the V8?" I always said "no, it's just the 6.".
When people ask me now if it's the v8 I say "No, it's the 6"
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Old 03-20-2010, 08:40 PM   #121
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you can never have enough power.even us 2ss/rs guy are in search of MORE POWER!! gotta love it.
Only to some people .. you actually can have too much power especially if you sacrifice durability in the name of power...
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Old 03-22-2010, 02:14 AM   #122
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I have Automatic. When I put it in Sport, it is amazing.
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Old 03-22-2010, 03:12 AM   #123
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I have Automatic. When I put it in Sport, it is amazing.
+1 to that. It's a complete animal in that sport mode, and even more so in the manual flappy paddles. After driving mine spiritedly in those modes, I know that the power of an SS would not only be unneccesary for my road-only driving, but also probably scare the $hit outta me.

That being said, there will ALWAYS be people that want the most power. If only to be able to pull up somewhere and say yeah it's got ###hp.

The fact is, they both go a limited 155 and most SS or V6 won't ever see a speed near that. For the few that do, I will marvel over your engine builds, come to car shows to see your shiny Maggies, then hop back in my 2LT and head home, completely content.
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Old 03-22-2010, 09:22 AM   #124
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Having just stepped out of an '07 Mustang GT (manual) that I had for 3 years (leased) and bought a 2010 V6 Camaro (auto) here's my take on the Mustang / Camaro question.

1) I don't like how that 2010 Mustangs look, part of my decision to go Chevy vs another Mustang.
2) A new V8/GT would set me back about 32k. The V6 Camaro set me back 24k. Huge Factor.
3) The Mustang had a Live Axle, The Camaro has IRS. Fine. Sorry but the Mustang still handled better and just stuck to the road better around sharp high speed corners. The Camaro feels tight too in terms of traction but the whole car sways so much it's a bit scary by contrast.
4) The Mustang had 302 HP I believe. The Camaro V6 has 304. Ok, well I have to say again, the Mustang, hands down, had way more power all over the RPM range. It's not so much at launch, it's more when you hit the 40mph - 80mpg range where the Camaro just has to really shift down 2 gears or so to really get it to kick in. The Mustang you just stepped on the gas and Whhhhhhhhhamm... went from 50 to 90 in a blink.

5) The Camaro is arguably a more "Refined" car. Feels more expensive. Looks more expensive. It DOES have decent power. One of the fastest cars out there in my daily commute around florida. But at the same time it's def not in the same league as even the '07 GT and I try to remember that as BMW's and idle next to me at the traffic light. My stock GT I'd whoop the pants off of nearly anything next to me. The Camaro (again.. V6), I'm never quite sure and it's 50/50 whether I'll be staring at their rear end and I have to make a mental note to simply not even try so I don't embarass myself.

I love the Camaro though. It's just a different type of car. I'm sure the SS would whoop the doors off the of the stock GT and so it's all a matter of perspective.

Powerwise, comparing the 304 HP Camaro to the 05'-'09 series GT 302hp mustang is simply foolish. The numbers look the same. But hey... the numbers are really misleading.

Handing? High speed cornering (even bumps yes) and whatnot, the GT was better. Around the town just general highway stuff? The Camaro is the better beast.

I will say this too, there are like 5 billion Mustangs around down here in FL. I think I've seen like 4 Camaro's. That makes me feel a bit special I know that won't last but I have a few years to go I think.

Bottomline: Camaro is 10k cheaper. Almost as fast. Looks better than the 2010 series mustangs. Looks expensive. Drives well. Better fuel economy (avg 22.5mpg compared to about 18mpg in the GT).
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Old 03-22-2010, 10:21 AM   #125
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Having just stepped out of an '07 Mustang GT (manual) that I had for 3 years (leased) and bought a 2010 V6 Camaro (auto) here's my take on the Mustang / Camaro question.

1) I don't like how that 2010 Mustangs look, part of my decision to go Chevy vs another Mustang.
2) A new V8/GT would set me back about 32k. The V6 Camaro set me back 24k. Huge Factor.
3) The Mustang had a Live Axle, The Camaro has IRS. Fine. Sorry but the Mustang still handled better and just stuck to the road better around sharp high speed corners. The Camaro feels tight too in terms of traction but the whole car sways so much it's a bit scary by contrast.
4) The Mustang had 302 HP I believe. The Camaro V6 has 304. Ok, well I have to say again, the Mustang, hands down, had way more power all over the RPM range. It's not so much at launch, it's more when you hit the 40mph - 80mpg range where the Camaro just has to really shift down 2 gears or so to really get it to kick in. The Mustang you just stepped on the gas and Whhhhhhhhhamm... went from 50 to 90 in a blink.

5) The Camaro is arguably a more "Refined" car. Feels more expensive. Looks more expensive. It DOES have decent power. One of the fastest cars out there in my daily commute around florida. But at the same time it's def not in the same league as even the '07 GT and I try to remember that as BMW's and idle next to me at the traffic light. My stock GT I'd whoop the pants off of nearly anything next to me. The Camaro (again.. V6), I'm never quite sure and it's 50/50 whether I'll be staring at their rear end and I have to make a mental note to simply not even try so I don't embarass myself.

I love the Camaro though. It's just a different type of car. I'm sure the SS would whoop the doors off the of the stock GT and so it's all a matter of perspective.

Powerwise, comparing the 304 HP Camaro to the 05'-'09 series GT 302hp mustang is simply foolish. The numbers look the same. But hey... the numbers are really misleading.

Handing? High speed cornering (even bumps yes) and whatnot, the GT was better. Around the town just general highway stuff? The Camaro is the better beast.

I will say this too, there are like 5 billion Mustangs around down here in FL. I think I've seen like 4 Camaro's. That makes me feel a bit special I know that won't last but I have a few years to go I think.

Bottomline: Camaro is 10k cheaper. Almost as fast. Looks better than the 2010 series mustangs. Looks expensive. Drives well. Better fuel economy (avg 22.5mpg compared to about 18mpg in the GT).

I agree with your "bottomline" but I like both cars, the price is excellent, i beat the piss outta my camaro(V6/M6) and still get right @ 25mpg's & thats hard to beat for a big ass car w/ 304hp! Although I cant wait to see the new 2011 Stang V6's out on the road.
You expect a 8 cylinder car to be fast, but these new 6's are sweet!
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Old 03-22-2010, 06:15 PM   #126
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Having just stepped out of an '07 Mustang GT (manual) that I had for 3 years (leased) and bought a 2010 V6 Camaro (auto) here's my take on the Mustang / Camaro question.

1) I don't like how that 2010 Mustangs look, part of my decision to go Chevy vs another Mustang.
2) A new V8/GT would set me back about 32k. The V6 Camaro set me back 24k. Huge Factor.
3) The Mustang had a Live Axle, The Camaro has IRS. Fine. Sorry but the Mustang still handled better and just stuck to the road better around sharp high speed corners. The Camaro feels tight too in terms of traction but the whole car sways so much it's a bit scary by contrast.
4) The Mustang had 302 HP I believe. The Camaro V6 has 304. Ok, well I have to say again, the Mustang, hands down, had way more power all over the RPM range. It's not so much at launch, it's more when you hit the 40mph - 80mpg range where the Camaro just has to really shift down 2 gears or so to really get it to kick in. The Mustang you just stepped on the gas and Whhhhhhhhhamm... went from 50 to 90 in a blink.

5) The Camaro is arguably a more "Refined" car. Feels more expensive. Looks more expensive. It DOES have decent power. One of the fastest cars out there in my daily commute around florida. But at the same time it's def not in the same league as even the '07 GT and I try to remember that as BMW's and idle next to me at the traffic light. My stock GT I'd whoop the pants off of nearly anything next to me. The Camaro (again.. V6), I'm never quite sure and it's 50/50 whether I'll be staring at their rear end and I have to make a mental note to simply not even try so I don't embarass myself.

I love the Camaro though. It's just a different type of car. I'm sure the SS would whoop the doors off the of the stock GT and so it's all a matter of perspective.

Powerwise, comparing the 304 HP Camaro to the 05'-'09 series GT 302hp mustang is simply foolish. The numbers look the same. But hey... the numbers are really misleading.

Handing? High speed cornering (even bumps yes) and whatnot, the GT was better. Around the town just general highway stuff? The Camaro is the better beast.

I will say this too, there are like 5 billion Mustangs around down here in FL. I think I've seen like 4 Camaro's. That makes me feel a bit special I know that won't last but I have a few years to go I think.

Bottomline: Camaro is 10k cheaper. Almost as fast. Looks better than the 2010 series mustangs. Looks expensive. Drives well. Better fuel economy (avg 22.5mpg compared to about 18mpg in the GT).

Hmmm, while horsepower numbers are similar, the v8 Mustang has more torque, and that's where it has the advantage. Also, the Mustang is lighter, so factor that in, and yes the v8 Mustang should beat the v6 Camaro, and the torque will let you feel that.

That said, this past Saturday, in the 1/8th mile, the only v8 Mustangs that beat me weren't stock. Although I'm not stock either, the ones who just had bolt ons barely got me. The stock v8 Mustangs are a driver's race with the v6 Camaro and until the 2011 Mustang GTs hit, the current crop of Mustang GTs is done against any SS. Will be interesting to see what happens when the 2011 do hit the streets and strips though!!
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Old 03-22-2010, 09:16 PM   #127
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That said, this past Saturday, in the 1/8th mile, the only v8 Mustangs that beat me weren't stock.
My mustang felt slower from 0 to about 40 than this new Camaro. A couple reasons I feel this way (and it's just a feeling since I never obviously drove them at the same time but I did literally walk out of one and into the other).

The mustang's stock 1st gear seemed really really short to me. So in a quick launch from dead stop, you'd be shifting that first big shift around what felt like 25mph. While you're doing the shifting and that slight pause, the other cars would either pulling away slightly or right next to you. It wasn't until you put it in 2nd gear and had that range of power that took you from like 30 to around basically 60mph. THAT's when the Mustang really left other cars in the dust (or at least felt like it did).

So this V6 Camaro no doubt in my mind would beat my old GT from 0 - 30 or 35mph. It's when the GT hit 35/40 that the longer gearing and V8 surge in 2nd gear would overtake many cars. You felt the thing throw you back in the seat (like you said, the torque difference each car has). You really don't feel that in the V6 Camaro.. the g-forces pushing you back, so to speak. From 30/40 on up, the acceleration is "gentle" for lack of a better term. It's there. It IS fast. But when my chevy dealer tells me this car is faster than my old one, I remind him it's a great car, and I like it as much or more than the GT, but don't tell other customers it's faster because it's not.

Also I would say that since I'm not a "professional" driver, manual transmission to me, while I prefer it most of the time, is slower for me through the gears.

My Camaro is automatic so that's one less thing slowing me or the car down and why it seems faster to me from 0-40mph range. From 40mph and up the GT feels quite a bit stronger. "Feels" is the key word here though. Nothing to back that up except my head snapping back faster or slower
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Old 03-22-2010, 09:27 PM   #128
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Old 03-22-2010, 11:45 PM   #129
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Well I drove a buddies new 5.7 Hemi Charger the other day and I hate to say it spanked my V-6 Camaro. 0 to 60 times are pretty similar but the pure torque makes the V-8 very formidable. The 2010 Hemi is rated at 368 HP and 395 lb torque and weighs 4085 lb. I thought my 3700 lb Camaro would make this a drivers race. Unfortunately the high torque numbers of the hemi lets the Charger pull away under WOT from the Camaro pretty well at speeds over 80. With the older Hemi 5.7 in the Charger it is definitely a drivers race against my V-6 Camaro. The higher HP and torque really help the Charger. I feel the V-6 Camaro with 19" wheels out handles the Hemi Charger and would be a drivers race on a course with a lot of curves and short straightaways. On longer straightaways and higher speeds I'm afraid the Charger is faster. I really felt my Camaro brakes a little quicker than the Charger which help on a road cours. I'm not dissatisfied with my 1LT but for a large 4 door sedan the Hemi Charger is a nice ride and I can only imagine how an SRT8 would be. I still feel my 1LT 3.6 has enough power and I didn't buy it to race. Just passing along a perspective as ultimately I'm a car guy.
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Old 03-23-2010, 02:16 PM   #130
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I wouldn't feel bad getting beat by a hot V8. I could care less if even a V6 Charger would be faster than my Camaro. I prefer the style, sound & cost of entry for the Camaro.
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Old 03-23-2010, 03:27 PM   #131
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I'm having trouble deciding if I really want the V8 now. Still trying to sell my is350 so it's giving me more time to think.

I can get a fully loaded 2LT/RS M6 or a 1SS no RS.

I keep telling myself it's a sports car and I don't need leather or options but I love the price on the V6 with leather and RS etc... I would basically have the same horsepower as my 350, and getting the V8 would be like upgrading to an ISF... I can see the speeding tickets now, lol.

Am I just buying the V8 for the sound of the motor and the speed when merging on the freeway? Arrrggghh, I hate buying new cars.
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I'm having trouble deciding if I really want the V8 now. Still trying to sell my is350 so it's giving me more time to think.

I can get a fully loaded 2LT/RS M6 or a 1SS no RS.

I keep telling myself it's a sports car and I don't need leather or options but I love the price on the V6 with leather and RS etc... I would basically have the same horsepower as my 350, and getting the V8 would be like upgrading to an ISF... I can see the speeding tickets now, lol.

Am I just buying the V8 for the sound of the motor and the speed when merging on the freeway? Arrrggghh, I hate buying new cars.
I would test drive both V6 & V8's. I never even bothered to test a V8. The 6 was strong enough for me. The LS3 is a BAAAD engine....but I don't need 426hp since my 2 yo son is with me a lot. I speed enough with "just" 300ish HP lol

If you think you'll regret not getting an RS or 8, then do it if you can afford it!
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If guys have plans of tuning the snot out of this motor so they can race it with the big dogs stop torturing yourself get the V8 and be done with it. If u just want a cool looking car with a bit of kick that use's cheap gas and lower costs over-all then you have the right car for you. Just have realistic goals about the V6. Its an amazing motor for a V6 but there are a ton of cars more faster and powerful then it.
I own a V6 (Synergy) and these are my thoughts exactly. If you get a V6, accept that its a V6. I did test drive the V8 and it is pretty awesome but I'm 23 and on a budget lol (Paying for the car by myself, no co-signers) and this is my first NEW car, so what I'm trying to say is, don't live beyond your means and get the car the makes you happy.

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it has more than enough power for me.
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Old 06-01-2010, 06:39 PM   #135
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I'm having trouble deciding if I really want the V8 now. Still trying to sell my is350 so it's giving me more time to think.

I can get a fully loaded 2LT/RS M6 or a 1SS no RS.

I keep telling myself it's a sports car and I don't need leather or options but I love the price on the V6 with leather and RS etc... I would basically have the same horsepower as my 350, and getting the V8 would be like upgrading to an ISF... I can see the speeding tickets now, lol.

Am I just buying the V8 for the sound of the motor and the speed when merging on the freeway? Arrrggghh, I hate buying new cars.
The V6 has plenty of power for merging on the freeway.. Unless ALL the traffic is doing over 100 mph... you should not have any trouble getting up over any legal speed limit before having to merge... (I haven't found a merge lane yet where I couldn't get at least 10 MPH over the speed limit)
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haha true! No matter what you have there is always something faster, just get what makes you happy. It's not like you can drive 100 mph on the streets anyways
example Veyron, SSC Aero etc.
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