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Old 04-22-2014, 02:08 PM   #51
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Works for me. Thanks, looks like I've got some fabrication to figure out before mounting mine. We're using a RACETECH tow strap vs. the hook. I like my shins cut free and not bloody. I've got a few ideas already but have to get the car and then pull the bumper off to see how to piece it all together. Looks like a trip to the steel place is in order for some scrap.
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Old 04-22-2014, 02:19 PM   #52
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Man, it looks like your mods really paid off. Your car sticks like glue in those corners. I had to double check the speed readouts to make sure I was seeing them correctly. Don't you just love it when a plan comes together. I am so glad everything worked out they way you wanted it to. Your car is smoking it on the track man.

I am going to go watch your video a few more times.

Don't forget to include these in the new Road Course and Auto X area.

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Orange, what camera and track recording set up are you running and what version of Harry's lap timer?
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Orange, what camera and track recording set up are you running and what version of Harry's lap timer?
I use Harry's Grand Prix Edition on an iPhone5, along with a Dual Electronics XGPS160 GPS Receiver (much more accurate lap timing than the iPhone's GPS), and a Go Point BT1 Bluetooth OBD Scan Tool Interface. The Go Point may not be available now, but other similar products likely are. The BT1 seamlessly integrates accurate speed, RPM, throttle, gear selection to Harry's, which automatically overlays this with the vid.

Unfortunately I couldn't get the Go Point to connect Bluetooth with my iPhone (probably needed to forget the device then re-connect), so it didn't overlay speed, RPM, Etc.

However, the previous time I tracked it worked. This is what Harry's vids look like when with Go Point and the GPS antenna are bluetoothed to the iPhone. This is a vid from Willow Springs a couple of months ago:

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Cant wait to see this beast in action....
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She has a zr1 and a z06. She always says they are off days. Her cars are fully race prepped.

Some of those d3 cars are true race cars. Just the drivers are eh.

Its a driver thing, good job man. The big aero is tempting but it would slow me down at fontana. Did you do a thread with your trailor set up? You got a mini one lap set up its sick!
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Old 04-23-2014, 12:17 PM   #58
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She has a zr1 and a z06. She always says they are off days. Her cars are fully race prepped.

Some of those d3 cars are true race cars. Just the drivers are eh.

Its a driver thing, good job man. The big aero is tempting but it would slow me down at fontana. Did you do a thread with your trailor set up? You got a mini one lap set up its sick!
I thought her cars were race prepped, her ZR1 was the one at Buttonwillow and I caught a quick glance. No interior, so the car has been lightened. I could see those bad ass carbon ceramic brakes, the big wing, and it looked like it was lowered. Perhaps the Laguna Seca vid is prior to her latest mods. In any case, hats off to her. There were plenty of people at the track with extremely modded cars and she bested us all by 3 seconds!

The wing's adjustable, you can set it to 0 degrees angle of attack which still gives you significant downforce but very little drag. I've run it at 6 degrees and 10 degrees. I ran a 1:58.14 at 6 degrees and a 1:57.47 at 10 degrees. Not sure where the sweet spot is, which I'm sure is different for every track.

Thanks man, the trailer really makes it convenient. Haven't had a chance to write it up yet. Tools, jack and Hoosiers all loaded up and ready to go, makes tracking easy. Plus, some tracks such as Willow Springs are over 5 hours away, just not worth it to drive on R compounds there and back.
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Old 04-23-2014, 12:25 PM   #59
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Old 04-23-2014, 02:04 PM   #60
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Thanks man, the trailer really makes it convenient. Haven't had a chance to write it up yet. Tools, jack and Hoosiers all loaded up and ready to go, makes tracking easy. Plus, some tracks such as Willow Springs are over 5 hours away, just not worth it to drive on R compounds there and back.
Do you have any pics under the car showing how the trailer hitch is mounted/attached to the car. Just curious what that looks like. Did you get the small trailer hitch with a 1.5" receiver?
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Do you have any pics under the car showing how the trailer hitch is mounted/attached to the car. Just curious what that looks like. Did you get the small trailer hitch with a 1.5" receiver?
Nick,

It's a Hidden Hitch 1-1/4" Class I with Draw Bar, made specifically for our Camaros. eTrailer.com sells them, along with harness kits. Here are a couple of pics. Reasonably light too.

Brian,

The trailer is a 3.5' x 5' from Lowe's, I think I paid $409. Then I added a couple of locking aluminum boxes to hold the jack and tools, and a rubber cargo mat. It works, but I'm not done tweaking the set up.

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Thanks for the pics. It looks pretty hidden under there. Hidden but functional. The practical side of me says this is a great option (and much less expensive than a tow vehicle and car trailer) for expanding your cargo capacity and getting all the equipment to the track. Another part of me just doesn't know if I could ever put a trailer hitch on my Camaro!

But I don't think you have committed a sin or anything by putting one on yours. It serves it purpose and obviously hasn't hurt your performance on the track any!! Some day if I get more into tracking I just might have to follow your lead on this one.
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Thanks for the pics. It looks pretty hidden under there. Hidden but functional. The practical side of me says this is a great option (and much less expensive than a tow vehicle and car trailer) for expanding your cargo capacity and getting all the equipment to the track. Another part of me just doesn't know if I could ever put a trailer hitch on my Camaro!
The alternative - a car trailer plus enough truck to comfortably pull it all - is a much larger investment and lots harder for many people to justify.


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Thanks for the pics. It looks pretty hidden under there. Hidden but functional. The practical side of me says this is a great option (and much less expensive than a tow vehicle and car trailer) for expanding your cargo capacity and getting all the equipment to the track. Another part of me just doesn't know if I could ever put a trailer hitch on my Camaro!

But I don't think you have committed a sin or anything by putting one on yours. It serves it purpose and obviously hasn't hurt your performance on the track any!! Some day if I get more into tracking I just might have to follow your lead on this one.
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Yeah I hear ya on that. That's what I was eluding to with my comment in bold above. That's why the practical side of me thinks it's a great option!
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Yeah I hear ya on that. That's what I was eluding to with my comment in bold above. That's why the practical side of me thinks it's a great option!
I borrowed a friend's harbor freight trailer that pulls behind his track car, and was sold on the idea. I don't have the room, funds, nor the time for a car trailer and truck. I can fit two cars and my mini trailer in my garage. So when I'm ready to track, I just hook it up and go! Reduces packing, loading, and unloading time.
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I borrowed a friend's harbor freight trailer that pulls behind his track car, and was sold on the idea. I don't have the room, funds, nor the time for a car trailer and truck. I can fit two cars and my mini trailer in my garage. So when I'm ready to track, I just hook it up and go! Reduces packing, loading, and unloading time.
Hey Todd, i was thinking you seem to be able to get around the circuit Have you ever heard of Miller motorsports http://www.millermotorsportspark.com...nasa-utah.html This is the single reason im not racing Silverstate this year, i simply have to run there. I was there for the inaugural Superbike race(just after my superbike days ended :(....)and new i had to be there.The track is like 4 miles, and the front stretch is almost 1 mile. Any chance you can make it out, im planning on running Aug 15-16th Ive been hinting to Brian about going as well.
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Hey Todd, i was thinking you seem to be able to get around the circuit Have you ever heard of Miller motorsports http://www.millermotorsportspark.com...nasa-utah.html This is the single reason im not racing Silverstate this year, i simply have to run there. I was there for the inaugural Superbike race(just after my superbike days ended :(....)and new i had to be there.The track is like 4 miles, and the front stretch is almost 1 mile. Any chance you can make it out, im planning on running Aug 15-16th Ive been hinting to Brian about going as well.
Man that does sound fun, but I just mapped it - 11 hour drive!
Tempting, but my plan is to run the new Thunderhill 5-mile course June 7 - 8 to get my big track fix

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OC 1LE, thank you for this thread! I've learned a TON just reading everything. I'm a new Camaro owner and a total noob to tracking and ran in my 1st HPDE at VIR a couple of months ago. I'm hooked and am looking ahead and preparing for my next event in November. I'm so glad you posted pics of your trailer and hitch because that is the perfect setup for me too! I have a few questions though if you would be so kind as to indulge me, lol.

1) Do you remove the hitch while you're on the track or leave it on? It looks like it's only 2 nuts and one bolt to remove if it's this hitch?

2) Do you leave the camber settings like you mention all the time or do you set them back for street use assuming you drive that beast more than just going to and from the track?

3) You mention the tire wear, do you check temps after each session across the tire?

4) Finally, I want to purchase a dedicated set of wheels/tires for the track as well. Do you know what the best size/width would be for a stock SS? I assume you want as wide of a tire as possible for maximum grip?

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Man that does sound fun, but I just mapped it - 11 hour drive!
Tempting, but my plan is to run the new Thunderhill 5-mile course June 7 - 8 to get my big track fix

Maybe next year
Hey Todd, since this thread was brought back up, howdy :-) Anything positive with your motor? Yeah, this Utah drive is 10 hrs for me as well. My main focus for 2015 is COTA, this way it will be a 2 day drive for each of us, haha! But seriously, it would be cool to get a few of us and make the trek.
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OC 1LE, thank you for this thread! I've learned a TON just reading everything. I'm a new Camaro owner and a total noob to tracking and ran in my 1st HPDE at VIR a couple of months ago. I'm hooked and am looking ahead and preparing for my next event in November. I'm so glad you posted pics of your trailer and hitch because that is the perfect setup for me too! I have a few questions though if you would be so kind as to indulge me, lol.

1) Do you remove the hitch while you're on the track or leave it on? It looks like it's only 2 nuts and one bolt to remove if it's this hitch?

2) Do you leave the camber settings like you mention all the time or do you set them back for street use assuming you drive that beast more than just going to and from the track?

3) You mention the tire wear, do you check temps after each session across the tire?

4) Finally, I want to purchase a dedicated set of wheels/tires for the track as well. Do you know what the best size/width would be for a stock SS? I assume you want as wide of a tire as possible for maximum grip?

Thanks again!
Reading your first track experience sounds a lot like what mine was. It's funny how I wanted to see what it's like to push a car on the road course, but really didn't expect to get hooked the way I have. I didn't know what hit me- next thing you know I'm looking for any opportunity to track. And for me, it just keeps getting better, so hopefully it'll be the same for you! Answers to to your questions:

1) Yes, that's the hitch, it a quality unit. I leave the receiver attached all the time, but of course I pull the drawbar/ball out. It's not that heavy and at least the weight is rear biased so it improves weight balance rather than worsens it. You do have a point though, it wouldn't be hard to remove it. It's just that I feel like I have my hands full already swapping track tires on, setting pressure, Etc.

2) I leave the camber set this way all the time. Tire wear is more rapid, but I'm okay making that compromise. I drive it on the street now and then but these days it's primarily a track car. I'm currently running -2.9 degrees front camber and will be increasing it since I'll be competing in NASA again once my engine is rebuilt. If you want a street/track alignment, I'd recommend Pete's alignment specs (formerly of Pedders): -2.2 degrees front / -1.1 degrees rear camber, 0.25 deg toe-out per side, front (a couple of people recommended less, more like 0.16 deg toe-out per side max), 0.10 toe-in per side, rear. That set up will wear tires a little more quickly than stock, but the car will come alive. Alignment is so important for track performance. My alignment guy slotted the mounting points for the front suspension to give this amount of camber, stock doesn't allow it. I've heard some people have camber plates that have camber marked on them, so that you can set them at the track. For me I keep it simple and just know that I have to replace tires more often.

3) Yes I have measured temp across the tire at the track, but you have to do it immediately after you come off the track, hopefully with not too much of a cool down. I'm going to have a friend waiting in the paddock for me during a session and I'll come off and drive to him right away to get an accurate measurement. It's on my to do list.

4) For tire size, that's a tough one to answer, it depends on how extreme you want to go. For most, I think a set of around 19x10.5 front and 19x11 rear with 305/30-19s would be ideal. But if you really want to go all out like I did, I'm running 315/30-18s front and rear, on 18x11 front and 18x12 rear. They do stick out of the wheel wells a bit, but I don't mind since they're track-dedicated wheels. At some point I'm hoping to get some Z/28-like fender flares to reduce lift/drag. I'd probably do 18x11.5 rear if I were to do it over again. The advantages on track are clear- it lowers the car 1.3" (diameter 2.6" smaller than stock), and the grip is just amazing. However, you must modify your front spindles to clear the tires. John at CCW can show you what needs to be done, and I can send you pics. You grind a way a non-structural part of the spindle, so strength isn't affected. The clearance between the wheels and suspension arms is so close in the rear that I have to ensure the wheel weights are not too close to the outer bead on the inside, or the weights will be knocked off by the suspension arm! So you have to really want it to go to 18s. Oh, and most 18s won't fit, John at CCW can set you up. Also, I have a small rub on the rear suspension arm at full compression so I have to run .19" thick spacers to avoid that. If you get CCWs, make sure they get the offset corrected from what they sold me. 19s are best for most people.

As an aside, the best upgrade you can make is to the nut behind the wheel, LOL. Fly into Vegas and take the Ron Fellows Level 1 class, you will learn so much and your confidence and speed on the track will improve dramatically. I'm a big believer, in fact I've taken Level 1, Level 2, and a 2-day private lesson.

Looking forward to reading about your future on track adventures.
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Hey Todd, since this thread was brought back up, howdy :-) Anything positive with your motor? Yeah, this Utah drive is 10 hrs for me as well. My main focus for 2015 is COTA, this way it will be a 2 day drive for each of us, haha! But seriously, it would be cool to get a few of us and make the trek.
Hey Mark,

Things are moving forward on the motor, it's still early yet because the builder is trying to catch up on a backlog of work after moving to their new shop. I think it's gonna work out fine.

There's a small chance I could join you at Miller Motorsports in Utah since this year's NASA series is out the window for me. It's a longshot but if the motor is done and it works out, I'd love to join you! With that long straight I'd probably have to dial my wing angle way down. In 2015 I hope to be competing in NASA time trials full time, likely making it down to Buttonwillow a couple of times as well. So COTA is probably out, but never say never!
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