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Old 04-26-2014, 05:03 PM   #1
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Confession: Why a Z/28?

To be honest, while the track performance of Z/28 is excellent, it is not the #1 reason I wanted a Z/28.

I've wanted an original 427ci Camaro w/manual since I was a kid. Never could afford one. When the rumors started >2 years ago about GM putting a 427 in the Camaro, I started hunting.

In the real world, only about 1000 427 Camaros were made. Many were never "numbers matching" since the engine was installed at the dealer after they removed the 396 it came with. So there are literally thousands out there that claim to be original 427's.

They cost twice as much as a base Camaro back then. So the $75k price today is not really out of line.
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Old 04-26-2014, 05:14 PM   #2
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True. I was there and I still want one now. Of all the camaros produced this has the most potential IMO of gaining in value!
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Old 04-26-2014, 05:22 PM   #3
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To be honest, while the track performance of Z/28 is excellent, it is not the #1 reason I wanted a Z/28.

I've wanted an original 427ci Camaro w/manual since I was a kid. Never could afford one. When the rumors started >2 years ago about GM putting a 427 in the Camaro, I started hunting.

In the real world, only about 1000 427 Camaros were made. Many were never "numbers matching" since the engine was installed at the dealer after they removed the 396 it came with. So there are literally thousands out there that claim to be original 427's.

They cost twice as much as a base Camaro back then. So the $75k price today is not really out of line.
How old are you if you don't mind me asking?
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Bc it's a muscle car thst by any measure shouldn't offer the brutal performance it does. Some argue it's an overweight z06. Some see it as a sleeper. I see it as the latter. Never having been a vette guy but always a fan of muscle cars it appeals on an emotional level. Let's face it. Gtr vette 911 z ... None make any sense. Car purchases In The ultra perf category are emotional.
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Old 04-26-2014, 06:19 PM   #5
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How old are you if you don't mind me asking?
54. I was a kid back then. But they were legendary when I started racing at 16.
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Old 04-27-2014, 09:23 AM   #7
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I think the new Z/28 straddles two worlds at once. It's both a dinosaur (427 V8 + manual gearbox + fairly large and heavy) and cutting edge (DSSV + CC Brakes + Aero). Just the kind of thing I love!
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Old 04-27-2014, 06:31 PM   #8
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if i would have the $$$,

i would buy it only for; beeing exclusive ,one of the few,low production #, 427 is all there is to say. special suspension that no ones has, special tires, powerful ceramic brake,recaro seats.a basic camaro with no useless gadjets. mean looking, one off diffuser, one off grille. no radio. listen to that exhaust, gives you goose bumps.. i would give it champagne for fuel ..washing it and waxing it would be.... erotic..i'm in love..
too bad ain't got the dough for it... but i can still dream about it.
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Old 04-27-2014, 06:42 PM   #9
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I think the new Z/28 straddles two worlds at once. It's both a dinosaur (427 V8 + manual gearbox + fairly large and heavy) and cutting edge (DSSV + CC Brakes + Aero). Just the kind of thing I love!
This is true. And no rev matching feature!

Enough new tech to make the dinosaur do the jig.
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This is why a Z/28:



What Bullitt did for the Mustang, this video (without the Steve McQueen cool factor) does for the modern Z/28. Anyone that watches this video is put on notice: "Want some of this? Here it is. Come and get it."
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Old 04-27-2014, 07:14 PM   #11
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The reasoning is fairly sound minus the fact that the 427's you revered were
"big blocks" and that a big block 427 would give you gobs more torque than the small block version. Plus the "old school" big block has much thicker walls and head room for build up. Other than that, it does provide a link to the "number" 427 if that is what provokes the emotion you seek! It is workable, but in a slightly different context (in that it is still a variant of the small block).

Now, I am not judging the engines by any means. Choice for me would also be the small block version (FYI). As it comes with all the hardcore internals and design!
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Because I wasn't around back in 1969...... Missed it by 5 years.

I'm sure these ones will garner some great attention in another 20 or 30 years just like the first ones did.
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Old 04-27-2014, 11:49 PM   #13
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I've had an original '69 Z/28 for 41 yrs. I know what a small cube small block can do. I know what it is like without creature comforts, no a/c, no power steering, no auto, no mufflers (chambered exhaust). I don't know how I could drive it 4 hours to college without going deaf at 3700 rpm and 55 mph. Nowdays short jaunts are all I'm good for, but fun nonetheless. I'm looking forward to seeing what a big cube small block will do and I'm sure I won't be disappointed. The rest of the setup of the car is phenomenal as well. I will be upgrading the driver at a local track as soon as I have her broke in. Fortunately the timing is perfect as I can now afford one! 2015 allotment here, patiently waiting for the day the dealer can place the order.
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Old 04-28-2014, 01:10 AM   #14
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This is why a Z/28:



What Bullitt did for the Mustang, this video (without the Steve McQueen cool factor) does for the modern Z/28. Anyone that watches this video is put on notice: "Want some of this? Here it is. Come and get it."
+1

saw the video, wanted the car. The detail behind the car is great, but the emotion created by the video did it for me.
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Old 04-28-2014, 08:37 AM   #15
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The reasoning is fairly sound minus the fact that the 427's you revered were
"big blocks" and that a big block 427 would give you gobs more torque than the small block version. Plus the "old school" big block has much thicker walls and head room for build up. Other than that, it does provide a link to the "number" 427 if that is what provokes the emotion you seek! It is workable, but in a slightly different context (in that it is still a variant of the small block).

Now, I am not judging the engines by any means. Choice for me would also be the small block version (FYI). As it comes with all the hardcore internals and design!
It's the old saying, "There Is No Replacement For Displacement." 427ci was the largest engine put into a Camaro.

GM is unlikely to ever again put an engine that big into a production car of any type.
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+1

saw the video, wanted the car. The detail behind the car is great, but the emotion created by the video did it for me.
If Hollywood is up to, what, Rocky XXII by now?, dunno why they have not made even a Bullitt II yet.

You could pick your Mustang or Shelby of choice and put it against this Z/28 (because the modern Charger has not got that much to offer.) Even if the Z/28 has to play the Black Hat villianmobile in the movie, who cares? It would be epic. I could write that script. Hello? Hollywood? Anybody?
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If Hollywood is up to, what, Rocky XXII by now?, dunno why they have not made even a Bullitt II yet.

You could pick your Mustang or Shelby of choice and put it against this Z/28 (because the modern Charger has not got that much to offer.) Even if the Z/28 has to play the Black Hat villianmobile in the movie, who cares? It would be epic. I could write that script. Hello? Hollywood? Anybody?

with all the remakes (even movies from the 90s are getting remade) I am surprised a movie like Bullitt was not remade.

Hell they did gone in 60 seconds again
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Brad Pitt was supposed to do a Bullitt Rerun in 2007. They put it where it belongs, in the trash.

Steve McQueen was a real racer and gearhead. (See him in On Any Sunday)

Brad Pitt would need CGI and stunt doubles.
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Brad Pitt was supposed to do a Bullitt Rerun in 2007. They put it where it belongs, in the trash.

Steve McQueen was a real racer and gearhead. (See him in On Any Sunday)

Brad Pitt would need CGI and stunt doubles.
I doubt he has the "tough and cool" quotient, but Patrick Dempsey could manage the driving part. I assume, though, that any modern production company would sh*t bricks if an actor tried to handle the driving -- and the insurance companies and underwriters wouldn't permit it...
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Jason Stratham or Mark Walhberg.
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My understanding is this new 427 uses the 6.2 liter block? It's not a big block like the 427 of the original Camaro? Can anyone enlighten me on this please. By the way, if I had the money I would get one for sure.
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It's the old saying, "There Is No Replacement For Displacement." 427ci was the largest engine put into a Camaro.

GM is unlikely to ever again put an engine that big into a production car of any type.
Yes and no on the engine CID......
I watched [and helped] a brand new, no mileage, 1972 Z28 RS get a LS6 454 crate motor installed in 1972 at the then Sun Chevrolet in Miami. It was Rally Green/black and AWESOME.......exported of course and never seen again.
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My understanding is this new 427 uses the 6.2 liter block? It's not a big block like the 427 of the original Camaro? Can anyone enlighten me on this please. By the way, if I had the money I would get one for sure.
The LS7 427 uses a unique block that had it's roots in the C5.R program.

It is an all aluminum small block that shares very few parts with the other LS# engines.

The "big block" was last installed in trucks and had 8.1L of displacement. Not sure if it's still in production.

EDIT: The Big Block died 5 years ago for trucks. Only Marine versions remain.
The Big Block Chevy stopping being put into cars in 1976.
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