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Old 04-02-2008, 11:38 PM   #1
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2010 Camaro Engine Line-Up Guess

So I'm making a wild guess when I say that maybe:

The base engine: 3.6L 260 hp V-6

V-8 engine: L76 with around 400 hp (optimized intake and exhaust flow could yield 39hp over current L78's 361hp. Also current truck L78 has varible valve timing that could be easily utilized. No L76 manual trans as in current trucks and G8 GT. AFM can be felt changing modes without a torque converter to asborb the slight shock. That's why all manual trans for trucks were canceled as soon as AFM arrived.

AFM on most new Camaros will provide good CAFE, and allow them to be marketed as "Green". And save gas on the highway.

The Camaro SS will be the bad-ass brother to the G8 GXP LS3 (Their momma's name is Zeta). They are only building 5000-7000 GXP's because this small number will not greatly impact GM's CAFE.

SS V-8 = LS3 Manual six-speed available, no AFM, and sold in limited numbers same as G8 GXP. (Don't get me wrong I hope the LS3 is the entry level V8 engine)

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Old 04-03-2008, 12:01 AM   #2
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Old 04-03-2008, 01:04 AM   #3
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I dislike the thought that to get AFM you have to have an Auto. I know that no few people will be looking at the V6 for cost, insurance etc but will still want a 6speed stick.

from Wiki: LLT
The 3.6 L (3564 cc) LLT is a direct injected version of the LY7. It was first unveiled in May 2006, and was claimed to have 15% greater power, 8% greater torque, and 3% better fuel economy than it's port-injected counterpart. It has a compression ratio of 11.4:1, and has been certified by the SAE to produce 302 hp (225 kW) at 6300 rpm and 272 lb·ft (369 N·m) of torque at 5200 rpm on regular unleaded (87 Octane) gasoline. This engine will debut on the 2008 Cadillac STS and CTS


Its a possible contender.

Also about a Turbo 4: LNF
Pontiac will offer a Gasoline direct injection version (redubbed Spark Ignition Direct Injection) for use in the 2007 Solstice GXP. Displacement is 2.0 L (1998 cc) with an 86 mm (3.38 in) bore and stroke. Compression is 9.2:1, delivering 260 hp (194 kW) @ 5300 rpm and 260 ft·lbf (353 N·m) of torque @ 2500 - 5250 rpm[1]. The "Gen II" block is similar to the 2.4 L and also features VVT technology.
Unique LNF features[2] include:
  • a twin-scroll turbocharger
  • Gasoline direct injection
  • Variable valve timing on both intake and exhaust
  • Sodium-filled valves
  • Oil-cooled low-friction cast pistons

A 260hp SIDI 4cyl in a base no frills model isn't shabby. Then there would still be the big V8.

That would a workable delivery platform. However, I just cant see Chevy having but so many different engines dedicated to the model. This would probably mean the ~400hp block would be as good as it gets.

If I had to guess with the tidbits we have so far:
Base with the 260 - 4cyl (LNF)
Upscale base and RS(level 1) with the 302 - 6cyl (LLT)
RS(2) (RS/SS pack) and SS with the 430 - 8cyl (LS3)
Z28 with the 430 - 8 (LS3) and sport suspension

To be honest my vote would be ditch the 4
Base and RS(1) with the LLT 302 - 6cyl (LLT)
RS(2) with the 430 - 8cyl (LS3)
Z28 with the LS3 and a sport suspension 430 - 8cyl (LS3)
SS and Z28/SS with the 550hp - 8cyl S/C (LSA)
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Old 04-03-2008, 02:34 AM   #4
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I think you forgot about one popular thing....the Z28.

Power on V6 is a little low IMO.

Don't forget about a turbo four...could easily happen.
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Old 04-03-2008, 03:50 AM   #5
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Going with the info that is out there, I would have to say V6 DI 302hp.
V8 LS3 im praying Going from what we have all seen in the
past with the SSR, I don't thank would put that L76 in it
cause what happened to the SSR, remember everyone wanted the
LS2 and thay did do that, what the next year. I thank is
hearing what all of us are saying that we want an LS3.
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Old 04-03-2008, 07:50 AM   #6
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There wont be a 400hp version of the L76. They have a 402hp version of the LS3 so that would be redundant for no reason. I would expect that the Camaro will get an LS3 but it will be the 402hp one.
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Old 04-03-2008, 08:19 AM   #7
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If there isn't a manual tran option for the entry-level V8 a LOT of people are going to be upset (myself included).
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Old 04-03-2008, 09:55 AM   #9
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If there isn't a manual tran option for the entry-level V8 a LOT of people are going to be upset (myself included).
I would be really surprised if it wasn't offered.
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Old 04-03-2008, 10:14 AM   #10
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Base I4 Turbo. 240-260 hp.

Mid-trim 300hp DI V6 w/AFM

SS 400hp LS3 w/ AFM.

EDIT: Limited quantity, Z28. (engine: Supercharged LS8 520-550hp.)
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Dragon,

I don't think you've bought into the LSA/LS8 superchaged idea yet... You seem to be pretty stoked on the idea of the LS3.

Am I wrong? Just curious.

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Old 04-03-2008, 12:16 PM   #12
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Dragon,

I don't think you've bought into the LSA/LS8 superchaged idea yet... You seem to be pretty stoked on the idea of the LS3.

Am I wrong? Just curious.
oops. see the edit. I was thinking about it the whole time, and then I forgot....

if I seem stoked about the LS3...it's cause I am. I won't be able to afford the Z28...and I don't honestly think I'd want it, either. But that reason's for another time, and I'm sure it'll come up before long.
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Old 04-03-2008, 02:06 PM   #14
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i hope the V6 is the base engine... If it isn't i won't buy the Camaro right away. I'll wait until i have enough money for the 6...
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This is great stuff here!

The 4cyl turbo could definitely make it.

The 3.6L LLT (thanks Mythic) I read Lutz saying the 300hp Caddy version would definitely be there, but detuned to 260hp. He even quoted 17mpg city, and 25 hwy I believe.

I hope you guys are right, that the supercharged motor will be the high-buck, limited SS engine.

Maybe GM is figuring a way to make AFM work with manual trans, but none available yet.

I'm with Dragoneye about pricing. I want a 400hp plus V8 manual at a good price. Pontiac has intimated the G8 GXP will be "Just under $40,000".

I don't want to pay that much, but insist on 400hp and manual trans.

Oh, and apologies to the Veterans here who have been over and over this.

Thank you all!
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Old 04-03-2008, 04:59 PM   #16
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I would die for those on my Camaro..
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Old 04-03-2008, 05:19 PM   #17
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Maybe if we all concentrate hard enough, we can change reality and we will get a LS7 or equivilent.
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I would die for those on my Camaro..
These days... should definetly be an option
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These days... should definetly be an option
I don't know. I love the feel of that Manual shifter in my hands. I don't know if i could get used to paddle shifters... Plus in order to have a paddle shifter you can't have a true manual can you? it has to be a manumatic right?
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Base I4 Turbo. 240-260 hp.

Mid-trim 300hp DI V6 w/AFM

SS 400hp LS3 w/ AFM.

EDIT: Limited quantity, Z28. (engine: Supercharged LS8 520-550hp.)
(Z28) Dreamer! nothing but a dreamer! ^^^^^^^

Nothing like that in year 1 (2009)...maybe year 2! (2010) but best chance in year 3 (2011)...mark my words!

You never want to first out of the gate with your Top Dog...GM will wait to see what the unmentionables will do...and then come out and top them all...could we see a special edition LS9 (detuned 575HP) in year 3....who knows!


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Old 04-03-2008, 11:56 PM   #21
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Has anyone checked out what the LS3 is capable of? I mean stock from chevy? Copy and past this link.
http://www.crateenginedepot.com/stor...FQQxgwodfF5Paw
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Old 04-04-2008, 12:00 AM   #22
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http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...5159#post55159
http://www.gmperformanceparts.com/Pa...l.jsp?engine=2

the LS376 480/475 is an EFI block with a hot cam swap
the LS376 515/469 is a carborated block the the hot cam and an intake swap.

thats why we are all praying to get it in the Camaro
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there will NOT be a paddle shifter... and we are looking at 2 MAINSTREAM v8 options and one limited option... AFM will not work with Manual transmission... AFM will come on LS3 automatics
the V6 will be over 280 horsepower
the turbo four is a possibility
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I think they'll throw the turbo 4 in with its 260 hp
then have the V6 and have it with 302
and then the something with around 375 (L76?)
and probably a 450 hp top dog maybe the super sport

I think we're all getting a little numb to these numbers, 375 was as good as it got for a camaro, with a 396 big block (unless you wanted to pay for the 427)
making that with a small block with this kind of fuel economy=amazing to me
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my source has said LS3 WILL be available in some trim
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