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Old 05-16-2014, 01:47 PM   #51
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If you've ever tried to get a No AC vehicle in the last 20 years, consider what GM is doing as a blessing.

Dealers don't want no AC's on their lots, and not all engines can even be configured no AC today. There is not a pulley path and idlers for it.

However sometimes there are Hidden PN's for AC delete to get the parts necessary to do AC delete right. Or make your own and pray you don't loose a belt racing.
Sidebar - The Z28 1LE's were normally ordered without AC for a very good reason. The No AC option tripped a switch on the build sheet to add even bigger brakes, alum driveshaft, etc. A competition pack. The no AC 1LE was more expensive than the AC 1LE for that reason. Probably unique in automotive history.
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Old 05-16-2014, 03:17 PM   #52
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You didn't expect anything different did you? Doesn't diminish the credibility and respect they earned by offering the delete option. Not having an automatic transmission eliminated 50% of the total prospect pool. And even more by not having a convertible or sunroof option. Thankfully they didn't allow that level of pussification on the Z/28.
Your missing my point. The argument from some that frequent this site has been "if you want an A/C etc, buy a zl1. The z/28 is for you. " I constantly read that the z/28 buyer is a hard-core racer that doesn't want the A/C. Well that obviously isn't true.
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Old 05-16-2014, 03:26 PM   #53
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Your missing my point. The argument from some that frequent this site has been "if you want an A/C etc, buy a zl1. The z/28 is for you. " I constantly read that the z/28 buyer is a hard-core racer that doesn't want the A/C. Well that obviously isn't true.
Most cars were pre-ordered by the dealer in Black with AC.

No, "hardcore" racers don't buy their cars. They get picked. The Z/28 buyer is often a hobby racer. They do it for fun. If they want to be comfy, no harm in that.

I remember what an SCCA instructor said when he was riding shotgun in the CTS-V: "Man, and it has COLD AC!!! That's great!" He was lovin' it.

I ordered no AC for purely historical reasons. That's how the first ones were, and that's how the track pack 1LE's were.
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Old 05-16-2014, 03:58 PM   #54
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Most cars were pre-ordered by the dealer in Black with AC.

No, "hardcore" racers don't buy their cars. They get picked. The Z/28 buyer is often a hobby racer. They do it for fun. If they want to be comfy, no harm in that.

I remember what an SCCA instructor said when he was riding shotgun in the CTS-V: "Man, and it has COLD AC!!! That's great!" He was lovin' it.

I ordered no AC for purely historical reasons. That's how the first ones were, and that's how the track pack 1LE's were.
Reminds me of Top Gear and when the Stig takes a fancy Jaguar or Mercedes, etc out on their course and has classical music on in the car..
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Old 05-18-2014, 04:51 PM   #55
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Given number of 2014 Z/28's built to date, does the current build pace forecast out to 500, 2014 units?
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Old 05-18-2014, 05:03 PM   #56
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Your missing my point. The argument from some that frequent this site has been "if you want an A/C etc, buy a zl1. The z/28 is for you. " I constantly read that the z/28 buyer is a hard-core racer that doesn't want the A/C. Well that obviously isn't true.
The reality is that modern race cars have A/C. Race cars. A/C. Do some research on DP cars for example.

Heat stress is serious business and those of us in hot climates really don't have the option. If I owned the car in a temperate region, I'd choose the A/C delete for sure. But I do track regularly and some days here it's 100f or over. Those temps are physically risky and affect mental processes as well. I am an old guy and need all the mental support I can find

"I constantly read that the z/28 buyer is a hard-core racer that doesn't want the A/C" Hmmm, Funny, I don't have the same impression from reading this forum? In fact, I've never read that? And certainly not from any of the bonafide hardcore guys posting here for the past year?
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Old 05-23-2014, 10:16 AM   #57
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We are up to 205 cars as of Wednesday's shift
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Old 05-23-2014, 10:38 AM   #58
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Here is the current known stats
This is for the first 205 cars.
Attachment 620274

I'm only planning to do the 2014's right now.
Once production is finished I can break down the color better.

Attachment 628491

I'll keep this updated when I get more added.
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Edit: CTF cars are not included
I have to say SIM wasn't my first choice even second but I'm glad I chose it. Thanks for keeping this updated.
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Old 05-23-2014, 11:39 AM   #59
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We are up to 205 cars as of Wednesday's shift
Thanks for the update!

Don't see how 2014 will get anywhere close to 500 cars? Production has slowed massively for whatever reason, yes?
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Old 05-23-2014, 12:01 PM   #60
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#1 it's a low volume model .
#2 no way to know how many 2015 have been ordered.
# 3..... $75000 Camaro.

Amazing car and unique.
I predict no more than 1000 cars and maybe only 750 total.....

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Old 05-23-2014, 01:43 PM   #61
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Thanks for the good info!
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Old 05-23-2014, 01:46 PM   #62
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Thanks for the update!

Don't see how 2014 will get anywhere close to 500 cars? Production has slowed massively for whatever reason, yes?
Yes it has slowed.
It could be a parts supply issue right now slowing them down. If parts become available GM could knock out the rest in a few days if they wanted. They still have until July to make the other 300 based on the standard MY changeover dates.

May numbers built
1st - 7
2nd - 6
3rd - 0 (Saturday)
4th - 2 (Sunday) before midnight I would guess for 3rd shift Monday
5th - 2
6th - 3
7th - 3
8th - 3
9th - 3
10th - 0 (Saturday)
11th - 0 (Sunday)
12th - 2
13th - 4
14th - 5
15th - 3
16th - 0 (Friday)
17th - 0 (Saturday)
18th - 0 (Sunday)
19th - 0 (Monday)
20th - 3
21st - 5
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Old 05-23-2014, 09:51 PM   #63
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I am glad i have the most popular color so when it is time to sell i have more buyers looking to buy.
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Old 05-30-2014, 10:43 AM   #66
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Another Friday bump.
Production is picking back up
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Old 06-06-2014, 12:17 PM   #67
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Less than a month until standard change over/shutdown and just shy of 200 cars to build. Hmmm will the target get hit?
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Old 06-06-2014, 12:27 PM   #68
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I say no way !

(Makes my 2014 more rare....there are cars on dealer lots...a bunch)
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Currently it looks like they are building about 10-15 Z/28's per day.
There are about 16 week days left this month so that puts them right on schedule w/o working a Saturday in there
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Old 06-18-2014, 10:51 AM   #70
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Well is 440 units the end? There hasn't been any additions in a few days.
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Perhaps they stopped for the keys?

When 2015 car #1 is built for retail sales, that should cap it.
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Old 06-18-2014, 11:43 AM   #72
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Didn't think about that. I'll see if any other Camaros have been built since Friday if I can.
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That might be the answer McRat.
There were no ZL1's produced since Friday either. Last one is #2434
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I don't know of any specific classes affected, but some race orgs have classification rules based on minimum production; one of the common break points is 500 cars.

If there is some class they are aiming at with a 500 break, they will probably keep running 2014's no matter how long it takes, or they will have to wait until 500 '15's are built and run that.
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Old 06-18-2014, 12:21 PM   #75
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I don't know of any specific classes affected, but some race orgs have classification rules based on minimum production; one of the common break points is 500 cars.

If there is some class they are aiming at with a 500 break, they will probably keep running 2014's no matter how long it takes, or they will have to wait until 500 '15's are built and run that.
They are trying to set up racing class for the Z28 but there not there at this time more work to do.

As for the 500 cars there was a lot of CTF cars built if i remember right its close to 60.

lets see 440 + 60 cars comes out to 500.
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