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Old 08-03-2009, 09:58 PM   #1
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Engine break in methods

I know some of you will disagree, but this is how I like to break in engines. The pistons using his method, do not lie. He is not selling anything.

I've built about 50 engines using this method of break in.

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Old 08-03-2009, 10:30 PM   #2
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GM has built more than 50. So I would just follow the manual.

If you have money and can build engines they your probably not worried about getting 200,000 + on it. Sure if your building race cars you break em in hard cause your just gonna tear it down sooner in a shop or blow it up.

But production cars that you want 30 years of use before a rebuild then you baby it.
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Old 08-03-2009, 10:37 PM   #3
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I have to say I agree. I built many drag race engines and ran them hard right from the get go. My dad is an old drag racer and said if you build it right you don't have to baby it and we never did.
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Old 08-03-2009, 10:40 PM   #4
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GM has built more than 50. So I would just follow the manual.

If you have money and can build engines they your probably not worried about getting 200,000 + on it. Sure if your building race cars you break em in hard cause your just gonna tear it down sooner in a shop or blow it up.

But production cars that you want 30 years of use before a rebuild then you baby it.
That's a mith about race engines. Alot of them run aleast an entire season if not longer without tearing them down if you build them right. I have an old dart with a 600hp 360 that's ten years old. It's never been touched inside.
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Old 08-03-2009, 10:53 PM   #6
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GM builds the car I would listen to them. You think they want more warranty work or less? I'm sticking with the owners manual, I want this car to last.
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GM builds the car I would listen to them. You think they want more warranty work or less? I'm sticking with the owners manual, I want this car to last.
Your right .... Engineers are engineers .... but sometimes they can be idiots ... from what I heard
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Old 08-03-2009, 11:00 PM   #8
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Your right .... Engineers are engineers .... but sometimes they can be idiots ... from what I heard
He didn't really say about using this to break in the motor in the camaro or any new cars for that matter. He merely was talking about breaking in engines ingeneral from what I read.
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Old 08-03-2009, 11:03 PM   #9
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Good look up, but going to stick to the manual, I mean its 30k no joke for me, not taking any chances.
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It will last through the warranty period either way, the engineers know this.

5 years, or 100,000 mile...notice how you'd have to drive a whole lot to hit the mileage before the time?
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Old 08-03-2009, 11:05 PM   #11
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I'll break in 50/50. Running it good and cruising around stop and go.
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Old 08-03-2009, 11:09 PM   #12
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It will last through the warranty period either way, the engineers know this.

5 years, or 100,000 mile...notice how you'd have to drive a whole lot to hit the mileage before the time?
Another good reason to run it hard from the start if your talking about the camaro is, the ecu will learn your driving habits and be more aggresive.
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Old 08-03-2009, 11:28 PM   #13
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Old 08-04-2009, 01:49 AM   #14
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Old 08-04-2009, 05:16 AM   #15
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Correct me if I'm wrong but i was told that the engines in modern cars already come broken in. It's the transimission brakes and whole bunch of other small things that you are braking in. It is true that computer in your car learns how you drive but a simple battery disconnect should reset it.
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Old 08-04-2009, 05:36 AM   #16
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I agree with this break in proceedure, dropped a 408 in a friends car and when he told me the builder recomended to break it in that he throw it on a dyno and run it like a raped ape I didn't beleive him. Then he showed me the written instructions which came with the motor. He hit 70,000 miles recently while spraying the motor from the begining, not a single problem yet.
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:19 AM   #17
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Back in the LT1 and LT2 days I watched them assemble and do random tests on one right off the line water, wires and some LP gas in place of the air cleaner. I was talking to the guy while he was hookin it up and touched it off, he then twisted the throttle wound it up to bout 6,000 grand (that was the limit of the LP) and turned and talked for about 5 minutes, flipped the switch to shut it down unhooked it and sent it on down the line as a good one. If it was going in a Vette it was externally balanced so it got fire up a few more times to get the balance right, and all the vette motors at that time were externally balanced so they all were ran at the assembly plant.
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Old 08-04-2009, 08:25 AM   #18
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Old 08-04-2009, 03:26 PM   #19
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I can't believe some of you are dismissing that information so quickly!? Is it SO hard to believe that giant corporations may 'say' something and it not be full truth?! Remember our government sat on the Polio CURE for for 6 years. While people died. Just so it could be a $LUCRATIVE$ launch. Money drives the world. Engines are so advanced these days, motor oil companies may not be able to make any money unless certain things that 'just happen', happen. But here's what I think: Someone above stated that cars also have transmissions and other parts to break in. That being said, I still am skeptical of MotoMan's engine break in method. But seriously guys, his method will seat your piston rings 10x better than the manual's method will. I guess I will just find a middle ground...
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I can't believe some of you are dismissing that information so quickly!? Is it SO hard to believe that giant corporations may 'say' something and it not be full truth?! Remember our government sat on the Polio CURE for for 6 years. While people died. Just so it could be a $LUCRATIVE$ launch. Money drives the world. Engines are so advanced these days, motor oil companies may not be able to make any money unless certain things that 'just happen', happen. But here's what I think: Someone above stated that cars also have transmissions and other parts to break in. That being said, I still am skeptical of MotoMan's engine break in method. But seriously guys, his method will seat your piston rings 10x better than the manual's method will. I guess I will just find a middle ground...
I'm with you bro. I break in every motor I build like that. I never bought I new car and ***** footed it . And, I've had very little motor problems over the years.
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When is someone going to post solid evidence that their chosen method is better than the method that the manual dictates? Show me where compression is higher in the cylinder or that the bearings run with less friction and still maintain the clearance required. Show me where longevity is maintained.... There is no cover up here, the manufacture posts the best available method for yours and their benefit. What are you going to do when the unimaginable happens like you're wrapped up to 7 grand in second gear and the tranny lets loose. The OBD has a record of the event and the service manager says hmmm.... 150 miles and already red lining this engine... what to do, what to do.... why would you put yourself in this position?
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Three cars that dyno and butt-dyno better than stock using this break in method.

Take a look at the discussion, he is not telling you to "wind it up to 7k" to break in. Three sets of three dyno runs. 60% of max throttle, 80% of max throttle, 100% of max throttle. This is not a no load clutch dump.

oh, and another small note, those of us breaking in engines like this, we are not looking for longevity. We are looking for performance.

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Three cars that dyno and butt-dyno better than stock using this break in method.



oh, and another small note, those of us breaking in engines like this, we are not looking for longevity. We are looking for performance.

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I picked mine up yesterday and it has been impossible to keep my foot out of the gas.
I've been keeping it below 4000 RPM, but I still like giving it a bit of juice from time to time. For the most part I just try and cruise around. I'll take it pretty easy till 500 or so then I'll let it wind out a bit more.
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