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Old 05-04-2014, 02:28 AM   #26
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I got pulled over by a off duty cop at a supermarket on foot for almost the small thing spinning the wheels on loose gravel.
Cuban Cop in Miami gave me a reckless driving ticket.
I ask the fellow if this was a joke and if he even was on duty, he replied as long he wears his uniform that he was.
Hired a $100 attorney and got the case dismiss.
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Old 05-04-2014, 09:09 AM   #27
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I suspect we aren't getting the whole story. otherwise, the OP would have a real good shot at suing the officer/PD for loses incurred from having no car for a week, no license for a week, and the cost of defending himself.

if I were a betting man, I'd wager that small chirp probably wasn't that small.
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Old 05-04-2014, 09:43 AM   #28
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I suspect we aren't getting the whole story. otherwise, the OP would have a real good shot at suing the officer/PD for loses incurred from having no car for a week, no license for a week, and the cost of defending himself.

if I were a betting man, I'd wager that small chirp probably wasn't that small.
Not really: http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/reg...s_070455_e.htm

The law on this topic is very subjective and arbitrary, to the point where it's constitutionality was challenged few times: http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/20...rut_again.html


I appreciate what the the stunting laws are trying to do (curb street racing) but check this line out:

"Driving a motor vehicle in a manner that indicates an intention to cause some or all of its tires to lose traction with the surface of the highway while turning."

Now tell me that is not BS?
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Old 05-04-2014, 03:01 PM   #29
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Nova Scotia sucks! I got a stunting ticket in Alberta at 1am for drifting through an intersection. Turns out the only car on the road a little ways away was a cop. All you get here is 400$ fine, 4 demerits, and I was on my way. Still argued it and it became a 200$ ticket with 0 demerits. Haha
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Old 05-04-2014, 08:09 PM   #30
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True, but c'mon really! I don't see cops going after that 1994 Taurus with a huge gash in the rear door and 3/4 hubcaps somehow still attached when the conditions for wheelspin are just perfectly, exactly, almost magically, right.

Better watch out toward the end of the month. Gotta meet that quota!!! If its the 4th of the month don't worry about putting on that blinker. The 28th, your f***ed if ya don't!!!
Cops don't actually have quota's! This is a myth, at least the department I'm going to work for doesn't.

Anywho, sounds like the cop was just bored/wanted to be a dick. From my standpoint, those charges won't stand a chance.
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Old 05-04-2014, 08:49 PM   #31
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I got hit with a reckless driving for drifting corners...
Well that certainly deserves a ticket. OP's incident doesn't. I think he just ran into a LOE having a bad day. Either that, or he isn't very good at tactful confrontations with the law.

Good luck, OP. Hope you get it tossed or at least reduced.
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Old 05-04-2014, 09:13 PM   #32
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I live in ontario Canada....stunt driving here is when your going 30mph or more over the posted limit. Or your outright street racing...ive never heard of anyone getting a stunt driving charge for chirping the tires...ive received an unnessary noise ticket for that. So there is more to this storey ..or this is a case to take up in court.
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Old 05-04-2014, 09:19 PM   #33
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Canada sounds pretty strick with their laws. Here in AZ, the most that would be pinned on you is reckless driving which is driving in manner without regard to life or property. Very vague but it's up to the officer to articulate that in court.
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Old 05-04-2014, 09:52 PM   #34
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Cops don't actually have quota's! This is a myth, at least the department I'm going to work for doesn't.

Anywho, sounds like the cop was just bored/wanted to be a dick. From my standpoint, those charges won't stand a chance.
LEOs I have known did not have a quota in a way that most people think of them but they were "heavily encouraged" to keep tickets at a certain level. One even had to radio in so many license plate checks in the early AM hours when the bars close down. Another had a shift supervisor that setup bingo games. Just having a blue shirt on could mean a ticket for the smallest thing so they could get a mark on the board. Paid time off was the usual prize. What I really love is how they called everyone a civilian, like they were not.

And yes, there are so many out there that give the rest a bad name.
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Old 05-04-2014, 09:58 PM   #35
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You did that with an officer directly behind you?.. That's just asking for it. Then again, it is Canada.
Yeah, if he did it down in the States he would have been tazered or shot.
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Old 05-04-2014, 10:34 PM   #36
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LEOs I have known did not have a quota in a way that most people think of them but they were "heavily encouraged" to keep tickets at a certain level. One even had to radio in so many license plate checks in the early AM hours when the bars close down. Another had a shift supervisor that setup bingo games. Just having a blue shirt on could mean a ticket for the smallest thing so they could get a mark on the board. Paid time off was the usual prize. What I really love is how they called everyone a civilian, like they were not.

And yes, there are so many out there that give the rest a bad name.
It's against federal law for departments to impose quotas. Although what you have said is very true, except the civilian part... Yes you are a civilian, and so is an officer, subject to the same laws (to an extent). But an officer is the only person in this country that can deprive you of your civil rights. They also will lay down their own life for you, a civilian, over their own. A thin blue line, the shepherd protecting the sheep.

Too many people forget that and take it for granted.
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Old 05-04-2014, 10:37 PM   #37
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Yeah, if he did it down in the States he would have been tazered or shot.
I think shot for sure...http://youtu.be/Gd6ruQcgu9w
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Old 05-04-2014, 10:44 PM   #38
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I'm US, got one nearing the bridge crossing back to the states, for having a radar detector on, I was not speeding. they took the unit and fined me close to $300 to boot. I said screw it, didn't tell the wife, 2 months later I got legal papers in the mail, where if I didn't pay up they were ready to put a lien on my house! I paid. Glad I don't have to commute up there any more!
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Old 05-04-2014, 10:48 PM   #39
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I chirped my tires from a stoplight making a right once...it was about 11pm or so & no one was around. Went into the right lane instead of the outside lane (was going to be making an immediate left) and some cop busted a u-turn to write me a ticket for making a "wide right turn". My dad was a cop when I was growing up so I'm always respectful of them when I interact with them but this guy was just itching for something. Total d1ck move.

I contested it & requested a trial...he didn't show so it was tossed. Hopefully you'll have a similar outcome. Good luck!

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Old 05-04-2014, 11:24 PM   #40
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The state police in Indiana have a Shelby that likes to pull over vehicles in southern Indiana. He pulled behind me but then eagerly passed me when he realized I had cruise control on. In KY, I had four cop cars park around me, but they just wanted to trade vehicles.
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Old 05-05-2014, 12:54 AM   #41
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Old 05-05-2014, 01:01 AM   #42
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It is only a way to collect money.
There are ways for them to collect money that doesn't involve losing license and impounding the car... I for one need my license and losing one over something so miniscule as this would cost me more then just the ticket + other fees associated with that.
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There are ways for them to collect money that doesn't involve losing license and impounding the car... I for one need my license and losing one over something so miniscule as this would cost me more then just the ticket + other fees associated with that.
I had a CDL for 15 + years. Any LEO could suspend my license for 24 hours there and then. A random safety check and if the LEO judges that the taillights are dirty it is a violation. No court, no chance to question the officer. no way to pay a fine, clean the lights and be on with your day.

Shoot, now you need a tow for the truck (because cleaning the lights isn't good enough) and a ride home. That's a few dollars. Like a week's pay.

So the LEOs are now the judges.

I am sorry for the rant but yes, I believe it is about the money.
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It's against federal law for departments to impose quotas.
Are you maybe thinking of "hiring quotas" as in, X% of the workforce must be of a minority race, etc? That is against Federal law. I don't know that the Fed can dictate to a local police force how they manage their ticketing policies.
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Old 05-05-2014, 09:51 AM   #45
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I ordered one last night. If I had it I would be in a much better position.
I get that it was unintentional, but please tell me what you think a dash cam is going to show. Your tires spun in front of a cop. I do not see where a dash cam is going to show anything. If the story as you tel it is true, I think it is overkill by the LEO. I have to be honest though, every time I have gotten in trouble in a car, I damn sure deserved it. I also have never seen any of this profiling that seems to be so evident on the site. It kind of makes me wonder.
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I had a CDL for 15 + years. Any LEO could suspend my license for 24 hours there and then. A random safety check and if the LEO judges that the taillights are dirty it is a violation. No court, no chance to question the officer. no way to pay a fine, clean the lights and be on with your day.

Shoot, now you need a tow for the truck (because cleaning the lights isn't good enough) and a ride home. That's a few dollars. Like a week's pay.

So the LEOs are now the judges.

I am sorry for the rant but yes, I believe it is about the money.
I was in Texas a couple months ago an an officer pulled me over and did an inspection. He marked me for a dirty license plate on my trailer... said he couldn't see it. I was just whatever... he got pissed off because I made him slow down (unintentionally).
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Tickets = Income They will fine you with the worst they can and you downgrade...still paying money in some way shape or form. Sad reality of today
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Not really: http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/reg...s_070455_e.htm

The law on this topic is very subjective and arbitrary, to the point where it's constitutionality was challenged few times: http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/20...rut_again.html


I appreciate what the the stunting laws are trying to do (curb street racing) but check this line out:

"Driving a motor vehicle in a manner that indicates an intention to cause some or all of its tires to lose traction with the surface of the highway while turning."

Now tell me that is not BS?
Whats BS about it. It is very easy to turn your car at even good rates of speed without loosing traction. It is also very easy to play and have fun and drift / power slide the car through a corner. Doing the later is frowned upon by the law. This is back to what I said before. Do I play in our car....you bet. Do I at times get caught....you bet. Is it my fault when it happens....you bet!
I got a tint ticket in the the WS6 we had before the 1LE. I got the tint ticket because I pissed off a state patrolman going to fast and sliding the car a bit around a corner. Had I not been playing, he would have never pulled me over, but since he did not get the radar locked (or something), the only concrete evidence he had was dark tint. Was the tint really a big deal.....no. Had I just got caught playing...yes. Could it have been much worse....YES!
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Old 05-05-2014, 10:41 AM   #49
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Getting closer and closer to martial law these days. Almost a good thing we still have the 2nd because they'll be shooting us for chirping our tires next.
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Do the cops in Canada have dash cams like in the US? that could be used as evidence to show the severity of the situation and possibly exonerate you if he was right behind you as you said.
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