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Old 05-05-2014, 12:21 PM   #1
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Test drove a 2014 2LT/RS

Hoping to get a 2014 2LT/RS this month so I went for a test drive this weekend. I'm smitten. Now, I have a 10 year old truck (2005 GMC Canyon) but I've driven my gf's 2012 Acura TSX and my brother's 2013 Audi A3 so I've got a decent feel for today's new cars. But I have to say, the Camaro really impressed me.

I was worried about sight lines and feeling cramped inside a sports car. I once rode in a 2011 FRS and felt like a sardine. The Camaro was pleasantly roomy. I'm 5'10" and over 200 lbs so I'm not small by any means. The leather seats were incredibly comfortable. I didn't feel cramped at all and felt very comfortable during the actual drive. Once I adjusted the mirrors, sight lines were fine. The rear vision camera is very nice, although I wish it had guidelines like I've seen on other cars. It has a black bar indicating how close objects are to your bumper and there is an audible warning if you were getting close to something.

The V6 was plenty powerful for me, and I intend to use it as a daily driver. I hit 80 mph without much effort. The drive was extremely smooth (took it on surface streets and a freeway), much smoother than I thought it would be for a sports car.

I have to trade in my truck, and unfortunately the highest quote I've been given is $1000 less than I was hoping for (went to a dealership and Carmax). I still should be able to make the numbers work for me if I can negotiate well enough but I'm not going to go over my budget, no matter how much I love this car.
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Old 05-05-2014, 12:27 PM   #2
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Cool! Let us know if you strike a deal.

Remember, your trade can count as a tax credit on the purchase of a new vehicle in some states, so that helps raise its overall value in some deals.

Also, make sure to check into any incentives (I bought two weeks ago and there was $1,000 GM cash back on my LS, in addition to dealer cash).
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Good luck. One note about the lack of visibility. At first it feels like you are driving a tank or in a German bunker on the cliffs of Normandy. After a little bit, you get used to it.
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Hoping to get a 2014 2LT/RS this month so I went for a test drive this weekend. I'm smitten. Now, I have a 10 year old truck (2005 GMC Canyon) but I've driven my gf's 2012 Acura TSX and my brother's 2013 Audi A3 so I've got a decent feel for today's new cars. But I have to say, the Camaro really impressed me.

I was worried about sight lines and feeling cramped inside a sports car. I once rode in a 2011 FRS and felt like a sardine. The Camaro was pleasantly roomy. I'm 5'10" and over 200 lbs so I'm not small by any means. The leather seats were incredibly comfortable. I didn't feel cramped at all and felt very comfortable during the actual drive. Once I adjusted the mirrors, sight lines were fine. The rear vision camera is very nice, although I wish it had guidelines like I've seen on other cars. It has a black bar indicating how close objects are to your bumper and there is an audible warning if you were getting close to something.

The V6 was plenty powerful for me, and I intend to use it as a daily driver. I hit 80 mph without much effort. The drive was extremely smooth (took it on surface streets and a freeway), much smoother than I thought it would be for a sports car.

I have to trade in my truck, and unfortunately the highest quote I've been given is $1000 less than I was hoping for (went to a dealership and Carmax). I still should be able to make the numbers work for me if I can negotiate well enough but I'm not going to go over my budget, no matter how much I love this car.

The last sentence is the key. Make them come to you as far as cost, and be prepared to walk away from the deal. They will not be there to help you when you cannot afford to eat or pay a bill because you extended yourself too thin for the car. You may love the car, but you do not necessarily NEED it. (Although I needed it, I just didn't tell them that.....)
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Old 05-05-2014, 01:48 PM   #5
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I have to trade in my truck, and unfortunately the highest quote I've been given is $1000 less than I was hoping for (went to a dealership and Carmax). I still should be able to make the numbers work for me if I can negotiate well enough but I'm not going to go over my budget, no matter how much I love this car.

first, whatever you do, DO NOT tell the dealer you need to be at a certain monthly payment. they'll play way too many games to get you to that number. what you want to get from them are 4 things:

Out the door price
length of loan
amount of payments
and interest rate.

tell them you will not even come to the dealership until they can provide those things for you. to show your a serious buyer, let them run a credit inquiry on you if the want, and tell them what your going to put down, and what you'll be trading in. if they can make the numbers work, get it. if not, consider a lower trim camaro, keep saving, or look at something else.
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Old 05-05-2014, 02:01 PM   #6
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first, whatever you do, DO NOT tell the dealer you need to be at a certain monthly payment. they'll play way too many games to get you to that number. what you want to get from them are 4 things:

Out the door price
length of loan
amount of payments
and interest rate.

tell them you will not even come to the dealership until they can provide those things for you. to show your a serious buyer, let them run a credit inquiry on you if the want, and tell them what your going to put down, and what you'll be trading in. if they can make the numbers work, get it. if not, consider a lower trim camaro, keep saving, or look at something else.

Or see if you can get your own financing.
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Old 05-05-2014, 02:02 PM   #7
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Thank you for the advice. Fortunately, I'm in a situation where I can keep my truck for a few months if I wanted (although I don't want to pay for a lot of maintenance due that is coming up). I won't consider anything below a 2LT/RS (I plan to keep this car for 5+ years and want all the bells and whistles), so if they can't make it work, I'll keep saving.

Right now, there is $2000 cash back for 2014's. I've been trying to get the $1000 private offer but according to other forum posts, it seems like these don't typically appear until the end of the month.

Has anyone used a GM Loyalty cash back offer? I remember getting one in the mail two years ago. Since I have a GMC, I'm wondering if this is something I'm entitled to or is it something that is offered at different times?
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Oh, forgot to mention that I tried the back seats. While I certainly wouldn't go on a road trip while sitting back there, it's not unbearable for a short trip. And if the person is a child or even small adult, it's actually decent. Good thing is that 99% of my driving is done solo or with one passenger.
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Oh, forgot to mention that I tried the back seats. While I certainly wouldn't go on a road trip while sitting back there, it's not unbearable for a short trip. And if the person is a child or even small adult, it's actually decent. Good thing is that 99% of my driving is done solo or with one passenger.
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Old 05-05-2014, 02:49 PM   #10
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I've already have financing pre-approved from my credit union (1.99% for 60 months) and $100 deposited to my account 60 days after funding. I think the dealer can beat that because my credit union said to get an option contract and that they can try to beat the dealer's best rate by .24%.
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Old 05-05-2014, 07:06 PM   #11
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If all they are offering you is $1000 for the truck you are better off keeping it in case you get a ton of snow or decide you don't want to drive the car in the winter. I just bought a 2014 2LT/RS this weekend and I'm loving it.
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Old 05-05-2014, 07:43 PM   #12
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Patience will pay off for you, I played the "I got all the time in the world. so if the deal is going to be made then whoever offers it first will basically get the deal" I went to all the dealerships in the valley and laid it out to each one of them.
Turns out the first dealer worked a deal, AND with the very first car I test drove just two months before the deal was finally made, it was a leftover '13 vert with ALL the bells and whistles including dual mode exhaust (which I highly recommend)
The last two weeks before I made the deal they were very close to the numbers I laid out to them, but I wouldn't budge......finally they called me and said that they could meet all the stipulations/numbers I laid out, but now they are offering a 0% financing incentive on top of it all, I reminded them I had NO money down, but if they want to still do the deal and if it is a for sure thing, I would be right down there, they agreed and basically told me that they are a no BS type of dealership.
I couldn't get down there fast enough!, I showed up at eight PM and was out of there at 9:30 and cruising my new vert up the Vegas strip on the way home with the top down!
They were right......there was absolutely NO BS during the buying experiece, they didnt try any last minute tricks on me, or try to offer me something I didn't need or want, they knew I DIDN"T have to have this car right now. like I told them and they understood all the time.........this car is a toy for me, and either way I was going to drive a Camaro home, albeit my old one or the new one......i really didn't care!
all the other times I ever bought a car, I got ripped of and taken for a ride on the finance terms, because I went in there and fell in love with the first car I saw, and it showed, ya I fell in love with this car, but I had a mindset that I would do just fine without it, and voila! I got it and got it for an awesome deal.
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If all they are offering you is $1000 for the truck you are better off keeping it in case you get a ton of snow or decide you don't want to drive the car in the winter. I just bought a 2014 2LT/RS this weekend and I'm loving it.
Carmax was offering $7000 for my truck. I thought I could get $8000 based on internet research (KBB, Edmunds, etc). I knew it would be lower than the internet estimates but I didn't think it would be $1000 lower.
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Old 05-06-2014, 01:13 PM   #14
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Carmax was offering $7000 for my truck. I thought I could get $8000 based on internet research (KBB, Edmunds, etc). I knew it would be lower than the internet estimates but I didn't think it would be $1000 lower.
Are you in a state where tax on the sale is calculated after your trade is deducted?

Assume your trade-in is worth $7000 to the dealer.
If the sales tax rate is 8.6%, you're avoiding $602 in taxes on the purchase of the new car.

So your trade is really getting you a net of $7602.
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I used the GM loyalty bonus when I bought mine, but it's whatever GM is offering at the time.

Mazda also gave me an extra $500 because I traded in a specific competitors vehicle on a list they had when I bought my wife her CX-5. So it's whatever the manufacturer is offering as an incentive.
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I bought my 2014 1LT about three weeks ago. I got a 2500 cash back bonus due to their incentives and other deals. At first it does feel like you do not have much visibility but you get use to it and know how to look at certain points. to look out the passenger side just use the mirror and the little window from the back seats. to look you driver side just use your mirror and turn around a little. It is a really quick car for a v6 and I love it. I am 6'3'' and I fit very easily inside the car. The seats go up, down, back, forward, and even dip so it is very easy to fit. the steering wheel also changes up and down as well.
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Are you in a state where tax on the sale is calculated after your trade is deducted?

Assume your trade-in is worth $7000 to the dealer.
If the sales tax rate is 8.6%, you're avoiding $602 in taxes on the purchase of the new car.

So your trade is really getting you a net of $7602.
I'm in California and I don't think the sales tax gets calculated after the trade unfortunately.
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I used the GM loyalty bonus when I bought mine, but it's whatever GM is offering at the time.

Mazda also gave me an extra $500 because I traded in a specific competitors vehicle on a list they had when I bought my wife her CX-5. So it's whatever the manufacturer is offering as an incentive.
Curious, did you have to ask for the GM Loyalty bonus? I did some Google searches for GM Loyalty bonus and found that they had a $1000 bonus during President's Day. I also found instances of $500, which wasn't time specific.
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Curious, did you have to ask for the GM Loyalty bonus? I did some Google searches for GM Loyalty bonus and found that they had a $1000 bonus during President's Day. I also found instances of $500, which wasn't time specific.
I didn't have to ask, my salesperson made we aware of all the incentives and we went down the list to see those of which I qualify. But it doesn't hurt to ask, there is no reason why they wouldn't tell you since it's not money out of the dealers pocket.

I bought my Camaro back in January and at the time it was $500. Now that I think about it, GM at the time also had an incentive for trading in a qualifying competitors vehicle.

As for the Mazda, they had it posted on a bulletin board next to the CX-5 and it caught my attention
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Hoping to get a 2014 2LT/RS this month so I went for a test drive this weekend. I'm smitten. Now, I have a 10 year old truck (2005 GMC Canyon) but I've driven my gf's 2012 Acura TSX and my brother's 2013 Audi A3 so I've got a decent feel for today's new cars. But I have to say, the Camaro really impressed me.

I was worried about sight lines and feeling cramped inside a sports car. I once rode in a 2011 FRS and felt like a sardine. The Camaro was pleasantly roomy. I'm 5'10" and over 200 lbs so I'm not small by any means. The leather seats were incredibly comfortable. I didn't feel cramped at all and felt very comfortable during the actual drive. Once I adjusted the mirrors, sight lines were fine. The rear vision camera is very nice, although I wish it had guidelines like I've seen on other cars. It has a black bar indicating how close objects are to your bumper and there is an audible warning if you were getting close to something.

The V6 was plenty powerful for me, and I intend to use it as a daily driver. I hit 80 mph without much effort. The drive was extremely smooth (took it on surface streets and a freeway), much smoother than I thought it would be for a sports car.

I have to trade in my truck, and unfortunately the highest quote I've been given is $1000 less than I was hoping for (went to a dealership and Carmax). I still should be able to make the numbers work for me if I can negotiate well enough but I'm not going to go over my budget, no matter how much I love this car.
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Is it a 2LT/RS? Considering a 1LT/RS?
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Is it a 2LT/RS? Considering a 1LT/RS?
Definitely a 2LT/RS. Primarily for the leather seats but the color HUD and rear vision camera are also nice to have.
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Definitely a 2LT/RS. Primarily for the leather seats but the color HUD and rear vision camera are also nice to have.
I have the 2LT non-RS, and just love it. I wish the dealership would have had the RS, but they did not, and I didn't want to wait to order. But your right, the Leather, HUD, and camera are nice to have, along with all the other things about the camaro...
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Old 05-07-2014, 11:24 AM   #24
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I have the 2LT non-RS, and just love it. I wish the dealership would have had the RS, but they did not, and I didn't want to wait to order. But your right, the Leather, HUD, and camera are nice to have, along with all the other things about the camaro...
I was very, very impressed by the leather seats. At least on par, if not better than the leather seats on some luxury level cars I've ridden in.
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If you hang on another 2 weeks or so, Memorial Day is around the corner on May 26th. There should be some incentives you can take advantage of.
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