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Old 07-28-2008, 11:48 PM   #1
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Is there a stigma? LT RS vs SS

I am relatively new to the US, and even newer to American 'Muscle Cars', being born and bred in Scotland. Moved here a little over 5 years ago.. always had European/Japanese cars.

So my question is this... my budget is probably only going to allow me to stretch to an LT with the RS package...

Is there a stigma attached to having a V6 RS Camaro vs the base V8 or SS version?

I know there are people who will say 'you can never have enough power' or 'a true Muscle Car should be a V8. However, the projected 27mpg and 304bhp out of the V6 seems decent enough...

Discuss...?

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Old 07-28-2008, 11:55 PM   #2
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The fact that this Camaro with maybe $500 worth of mods will shame almost every car that is "higher" in its segment (for instance: the Mustang v6 AND v8, the 350z, etc, etc, etc) proves that you don't need an SS to have fun. Furthermore you will be able to fully option your car and still keep it affordable
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Old 07-29-2008, 12:10 AM   #3
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buy whatever your budget can afford. if that's what you can buy then get it. . .now aday people are accepting v6 sports cars where back in the day not so much.
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Old 07-29-2008, 12:16 AM   #4
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I think there was....something that went along with owning an SS.

BUT....times are changing.

And this new V6 is going to take the cake all across the board in the V6 car market. If there was a stigma, it's gone w/ the wind now. My honest opinion.
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Old 07-29-2008, 12:59 AM   #5
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I think that the stigma is wearing away. I remember when I first told my friends of the new camaro and told them I was getting a V6, they were like meh. Then I waited until I found out it was the CTS V6 engine and told them. Then they were quite impressed you could get a 300 horse powerhouse in such an affordable and stylish car.
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I think there was....something that went along with owning an SS.

BUT....times are changing.

And this new V6 is going to take the cake all across the board in the V6 car market. If there was a stigma, it's gone w/ the wind now. My honest opinion.
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Old 07-29-2008, 02:16 AM   #7
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The important thing is that you get a Camaro, Nothing else matters.
The gas price issue will certainly fuel (no pun intended) V6 Camaro buyers who otherwise might have got a V8. (if it was 1986) The success of the V6 is important, I was suprised and pleased to see coverage of the Camaro billed as a fun efficient car. Thats how it needs to be seen, to succeed.
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Is there a stigma attached to having a V6 RS Camaro vs the V8 R/T or SS version?
V8 R/T?

am I missing something?...
did chevy take R/T off dodge?...
what is this "R/T"? ...
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V8 R/T?

am I missing something?...
did chevy take R/T off dodge?...
what is this "R/T"? ...
I'm thinking he simply meant v8 vs v6 no matter what brand.
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Yeah, I don't think the stigma's going to be that big this time around. 300 hp in a V6 is very good and despite missing some torque, it's still going to be a performance bargain.

Above anything though, buy what you want and be happy and secure with it. No matter what you buy, there will be haters. They and their opinions are completely insignificant if you're having fun with your car.
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Don't think i'd call it a stigma, but once you are comfortable with an engine size, it is harder to downsize too an engine that appears to be less engine. All " muscle cars" were v8's for a long time and v6's just couldn't get the power of an v8. But, today's v6's can run with older v8's for horsepower with no issues. I know for a fact this new v6 Camaro , would destroy my 91 RS with the 5.0 l v8 it had, no way did it have 300 horsepower. Personally, I love the sound of a finely tuned v8, but if the budget says v6 Camaro, I'll still be smiling, cruising happily in a v6.
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Don't think i'd call it a stigma, but once you are comfortable with an engine size, it is harder to downsize too an engine that appears to be less engine. All " muscle cars" were v8's for a long time and v6's just couldn't get the power of an v8. But, today's v6's can run with older v8's for horsepower with no issues. I know for a fact this new v6 Camaro , would destroy my 91 RS with the 5.0 l v8 it had, no way did it have 300 horsepower. Personally, I love the sound of a finely tuned v8, but if the budget says v6 Camaro, I'll still be smiling, cruising happily in a v6.
Actually, your stock 1991 RS Camaro with the 5.0 Liter V8 would go from 0-60 in 5.8 -6.0. Or I may be thinking of the Iroc-Z edition being a little faster. In either case, I think it would still beat the current V6 in initial acceleration because of the the increase in torque and then be neck and neck in the end if not be ahead by a hair. However that is when the vehicle was brand new. So the way you remember it as you probably drove it for many years, the new V6 Camaro should feel noticeably faster and more agile due to its modern IRS and engine. he tests were done with regular gas so simply switching to premium might give you a slight advantage over the 1991 and in another thread, it appears it might be easy to increase to at least 40 more HP with some slight mods.

Think about this... The numbers that the initial tests for the V8 that have been released are impressive considering that a 1994 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 did a zero - 60 time of 4.7 seconds and 13.1 in the quarter.. The Automatic V8 can do 0-60 in 4.6 stock. This is to just as amazing as the current V6 potentially matching a 1991 up to a 1993 top of the line Camaro or being really close to matching.

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Old 07-29-2008, 08:16 AM   #15
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V8 R/T?

am I missing something?...
did chevy take R/T off dodge?...
what is this "R/T"? ...
Sorry, my bad, I told you I was new to the US and to American cars! I was in the Dodge dealer on Sunday looking at the Challenger as well so I simply mixed the two - sorry about that.

Lesson learnt! I've changed it in my post.

Thanks for the input, I appreciate it!
I guess I shouldn't worry about getting a V6 then, phew!

I love how the Challenger looks on the outside, but the inside is pure 'everything else in the Dodge line up'. The Camaro's interior looks so much better than the Challenger, and being as I sit there to drive, the Camaro wins hands down.
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The 80's kind of killed the V6 stigma with the Buick GN/GNX and the GMC Syclone/Typhoon... something to be said of having the fastest production ride in the world (wasn't that their claim back then?). Sure you will have your dog V6's just as you would with any V8. Your wallet can open all sorts of possibilities..
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Old 07-29-2008, 08:42 AM   #17
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Buy what you like. What others think isn't important.

From the time I got my '02 Camaro Coupe I heard constantly that it 'wasn't a REAL Camaro'. One co-worker even called it a 'Ca' all the time because it wasn't a full Camaro.

I didn't care, I'd laugh at their sillyness.
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Old 07-29-2008, 08:43 AM   #18
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yeah,the v6 in this one will be much much better , just ask the 1982 camaro owners with the 2.8 v6
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Old 07-29-2008, 09:35 AM   #19
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The 80's kind of killed the V6 stigma with the Buick GN/GNX and the GMC Syclone/Typhoon... something to be said of having the fastest production ride in the world (wasn't that their claim back then?). Sure you will have your dog V6's just as you would with any V8. Your wallet can open all sorts of possibilities..
Ehhhh....no. Those were both turbo applications and are a far cry from an N/A V6.

And I can speak for the Sy/Ty that it was the fastest production truck ever until the SC 5.4L Lightning hit the streets several years later.

As far as the original topic goes, hell yeah there was a stigma. Big time. The housewives and old folks had their little V6 and the rest of us enthusiasts got the real Camaro....but like others have already said with the amazing effort going into the 5th gen LS and LT, I'm not personally feeling it anymore. The V6 is really going to be a fun car to drive in all aspects and I think they will demand the respect of everything in it's price range, especially the next tier Mustangs.
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If there are people still holding a stigma...then they haven't gotten the memo.

Don't let anyone influence your purchase because they claim that "A V6 Camaro isn't a real Camaro", an "automatic isn't a real transmission", or "Cloth seats are fake seats" (yep, I've heard that one before)...Buy what YOU want, then promptly school the naysayers. Teach them a lesson about V6 Camaros.
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I know there are people who will say 'you can never have enough power' or 'a true Muscle Car should be a V8. However, the projected 27mpg and 304bhp out of the V6 seems decent enough...

Discuss...?
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It's not all about the horsepower, even with the V6 you won't be full throttle very often. To me it's more about WANTING to drive your car, not having to drive it. No matter what you get someone will have a faster car, and that's cool, shake his hand and make a friend, even if he does drive a moostang on steroids. :seesaw:

Drive your car easy, keep on top of the maintenance, and in 20 years most everyone will tell you that's a nice old car you have there, no matter what motor.
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When I got my V6, I was 18, and I did have enough money to buy a Z28 myself, but the one thing my parents wanted to do for me was buy me a car. They didn't want me to have a V8 though. So it was either get a free V6 or pay for a V8 in full. Plus, insurance would have been a lot higher. My parents saved me a lot of money in buying me this car so I don't sweat having a V6. Actually, I don't sweat anything really since I don't give a shit what others think. If I like something, I like it. I don't like getting caught up in high school peer pressure nonsense.

This new V6 Camaro is looking good though and 300hp out of a V6 is no joke. 40hp from an intake and exhaust without headers isn't too shabby either. Pretty good power to weight ratio and weight distribution. Mustang GT's beware.
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It's not all about the horsepower, even with the V6 you won't be full throttle very often. To me it's more about WANTING to drive your car, not having to drive it. No matter what you get someone will have a faster car, and that's cool, shake his hand and make a friend, even if he does drive a moostang on steroids. :seesaw:
Thanks! I appreciate it!

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I'll be interested to find out what the performance specs are when officially available (us Europeans are obsessed with 0-60 times, not bhp for some reason! - BBC Top Gear anyone??!)...
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I am relatively new to the US, and even newer to American 'Muscle Cars', being born and bred in Scotland. Moved here a little over 5 years ago.. always had European/Japanese cars.

So my question is this... my budget is probably only going to allow me to stretch to an LT with the RS package...

Is there a stigma attached to having a V6 RS Camaro vs the base V8 or SS version?

I know there are people who will say 'you can never have enough power' or 'a true Muscle Car should be a V8. However, the projected 27mpg and 304bhp out of the V6 seems decent enough...

Discuss...?
Let me put it in terms you would get...

Getting a V6 in a muscle car is like ordering a blended Scotch when the single is sitting on the shelf. If the blended is fine and you don't care or recognize the difference then go for it. But if you feel that single(V8) calling you, you have to go for it!!!
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