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Old 04-07-2008, 01:56 PM   #51
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when diarmadhi asked about the weight and they said under 4000 lbs. they said it had a lot to do with safety and wiring. right after that i said "can i get 3700" and they kind of chuckled. i don't know if they did that because they didn't know how much it weight for sure, or because they weren't going to answer that.
one thing.... did anybody there listen to the camaro the truck driver was moving? i didn't but that was when we were all talking about the paddle shifters.
and i'm not sure if it was "bluetooth" or not, but it was a button that had a phone on the steering wheel. so at least we know that there will be some sort of hands free cell phone device. "bluetooth" is just the first thing that came to my mind when i was it.
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Old 04-07-2008, 02:12 PM   #52
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Once again I'm glad you guys enjoyed yourselves, UNFORTUNATELY I'm not going to be able to give anymore tours at this time.

I don't expect the guys that came here to not report what you've seen as I would do the same if I were in your shoes. I completely understand. There's just too much to try to keep under wraps at the grounds and I've created stress for some great employees there and it was the last thing I ever wanted to do.

So again I apologize but no more tours. :(
Not that I can speak for the guys on the tour with you. But, I'm sure we all hope that no one at your place of work was upset. I'm sure GM feels like it's trying to hold a melting glob of Jello in their bare hands where keeping the camaro info a secret is concerned. We wouldn't want to add to that stress... Hopefully all is well at the proving grounds.
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Old 04-07-2008, 02:32 PM   #53
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i'm not sure if it was "bluetooth" or not, but it was a button that had a phone on the steering wheel.
I think that's part of OnStar, being able to route a phone call through the stereo. I believe my dad's Chevy truck had that, but it was a few years ago and my memory's not that great.
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Old 04-07-2008, 04:45 PM   #54
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The 1969 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
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Wheelbase, inches: 108.1
Weight, lbs: 3,765

so we can expect wieght to be in the 3800-3900 range
'69 Camaro weight 3,105 lbs. per Chassis Service Manual. It would actually be closer to 3,300 lbs. as an L-48 coupe is 3,200 lbs. not counting options like power steering, power brakes, radio, etc. I seem to recall my '69 Z/28 weighing around 3,350 lbs.
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Old 04-07-2008, 06:28 PM   #55
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This is my first time posting though i follow a lot of what goes on on this site. I just about died when I read that you guys got to go in the proving grounds. I drive by and just drool! Is there really another group going on friday? I would quit my job to go! Please let me know if there is a way that I can gert in there!
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Old 04-07-2008, 06:30 PM   #56
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Unfortunately, there will not be a second round. Punchy said it a few posts up.
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Old 04-07-2008, 06:46 PM   #57
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Now I am REALLY upset! I am so very jealous!
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Old 04-07-2008, 07:26 PM   #58
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Man, Y'all Suck!! And I mean that in only the kindest, but most jealous way!!

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Not that I can speak for the guys on the tour with you. But, I'm sure we all hope that no one at your place of work was upset. I'm sure GM feels like it's trying to hold a melting glob of Jello in their bare hands where keeping the camaro info a secret is concerned. We wouldn't want to add to that stress... Hopefully all is well at the proving grounds.
At this point, there arn't THAT many secrets I think GM is trying to conceal! LOL
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Old 04-07-2008, 08:19 PM   #59
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mmmm............yea, not so sure that some of that information was really supposed to get out Wouldnt be suprised to a fleet of..............






heading at high speed into the Arizona desert..........


JK......I'm sure all the employees there at the Proving Groungs are VERY aware of what they can and cannot disclose to the general public.
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wow cool stuff.
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Old 04-07-2008, 11:23 PM   #61
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Now I am REALLY upset! I am so very jealous!
You could give us a tour of the engine plant when . . . I mean if the LS3 gets anounced for the Camaro.
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Old 04-07-2008, 11:35 PM   #62
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wow! awesome! kinda disappointed to hear about the supercharger, but that's just me. i prefer after-market s/c. oh well, good 2 hear about the weight! in a sense, this is a lot more valuable than pics! now the only question is: 3 engines? 4 turbo, 6, 8; 4 turbo, 6, 8 s/c; 6, 8, 8 s/c????? and just cuz they've seen those engines doesn't mean they will all make it to production. just my $.02
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Old 04-08-2008, 03:46 AM   #63
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Once again I'm glad you guys enjoyed yourselves, UNFORTUNATELY I'm not going to be able to give anymore tours at this time.

I don't expect the guys that came here to not report what you've seen as I would do the same if I were in your shoes. I completely understand. There's just too much to try to keep under wraps at the grounds and I've created stress for some great employees there and it was the last thing I ever wanted to do.

So again I apologize but no more tours. :(


Oh, man...I sure hope you didn't get in trouble. You're okay, right?
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Old 04-08-2008, 06:18 AM   #64
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Oh, man...I sure hope you didn't get in trouble. You're okay, right?
Is everything alright man? Hope Punchy didn't get in trouble..
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Old 04-08-2008, 06:26 AM   #65
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At this point, there arn't THAT many secrets I think GM is trying to conceal! LOL

Nice car. you know LMB is the fastest color....


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Old 04-08-2008, 08:34 AM   #66
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good story. so did they say that the s/c version was at the track that say?
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Old 04-08-2008, 08:35 AM   #67
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For some reason I thought an IRS and LSD were a given for the Camaro. That’s a concern for me, more so the IRS than LSD because you could add an LSD with out a great deal of cost if you wanted it. I already know it to be less agile than my car but I don’t think I could do a live rear axle no matter how good it looked or how fast it was.
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Old 04-08-2008, 09:22 AM   #68
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Awesome writeup. Felt like I was there... which I shoulda been since I live not too far! Excited hearing about supercharged version and GT500 as benchmark. This virtually says that the top camaro version will be some 500hp monster. Paddle shifters eh, I don't think I remember seeing that on any interior spyshots so far right?
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Old 04-08-2008, 09:35 AM   #69
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I'm pretty sure LSD will be standard on all V8 Camaros and at least an option V6 models. It's been done like that before and I can't see it not happening again. Perhaps even stability control will be standard, because I thought I remember reading somewhere that that is supposed to be standard on all cars, or something along those lines...
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Old 04-08-2008, 09:37 AM   #70
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Sounds like you guys had an awesome time, I would have, had I been there.
Nothing ground breaking was released so I'm sure Punchy is fine guys, all he did was pump up the car more by bringing in a group of Camaro lovers.

I could see the proving ground employees being nervous but it worked out and now with no more tours, they can work on the Camaro with not needing to hide anything. Let the guys get back to work so we can get this beast out to everyone by early next year!

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Old 04-08-2008, 10:01 AM   #71
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Oh, man...I sure hope you didn't get in trouble. You're okay, right?
Last time i talked to punchy everything was now copasetic, at least .. so far.....
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Old 04-08-2008, 10:36 AM   #72
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For some reason I thought an IRS and LSD were a given for the Camaro. Thatís a concern for me, more so the IRS than LSD because you could add an LSD with out a great deal of cost if you wanted it. I already know it to be less agile than my car but I donít think I could do a live rear axle no matter how good it looked or how fast it was.
It will have IRS on all models, standard. Not ancient live axles for this car.
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It will have IRS on all models, standard. Not ancient live axles for this car.
Thats what I thought I was worried for a bit. Some sites are still under the impression that IRS may or may not be standard.
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nice to have assurance on the supercharger. that model will sure to be marked up 10k for a year and low production. even if they make it large production I can't see it stickering for under 38k. seems like you didn't get too many answers out of em but I bet it was kick ass just getting to see em up close. If I recall the gt500 dosn't do all that well when it comes to dyno runs and track handling. so says top gear but clarkson is bias against american cars
well C&D said the same thing, so i don't think it is just your source. The front end pushes in the corners and such on the GT500. so hopefully since the general didn't skimp on the suspension we won't have that problem. I still want the V6 with the 50/50 weight distribution
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