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Old 08-06-2009, 08:12 PM   #251
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Now what? It is what it is, do we now trade for a vehicle with the coveted extra star for frontal? I have to ask, why would anyone who was concerned about the rating, order or purchase a vehicle before the testing was done?

I'll be the only one driving my Camaro and I'll be extra careful.
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Old 08-06-2009, 08:16 PM   #252
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didn't they add the weight "for safety reasons"?

once again i love the hypocrisy of people on this board. "oooh no i can't drive an 'econo box' GTI, they're not safe!! i need a bigger car!" but now that the camaro has the same rating all of a sudden safety is not a factor anymore.
How true! Can you imagine for even a second what this thread would look like if the Camaro got a 5 star rating and the Challenger got 4 stars?!? I can see all the "OMG, UNSAFE POS!" posts now!

Personally I don't worry about crash test ratings too much. I just totaled my '99 Cavalier a month or so ago in a frontal crash and aside from a shoulder that's still a little sore, I came out of it pretty good. That car had a 3 star crash test rating and a 1 star side impact...which pretty much meant that if someone pushed a shopping cart into my door at the grocery store I would have been airlifted to the nearest trauma center.

That said, a lot of people are concerned about crash test ratings. All things considered, if I was trying to decide between a Camaro and a Challenger, the crash test results would weigh heavily. As a parent, that would be even more true if I were buying the car for my daughter/son (hypothetical only...I should be so rich!). I don't know any parent who would chose the 'less safe' car, even if it was 4 stars vs 5 stars. In the end, this will hurt the Camaro sales, even if just a little bit.
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Old 08-06-2009, 08:17 PM   #253
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didn't they add the weight "for safety reasons"?

once again i love the hypocrisy of people on this board. "oooh no i can't drive an 'econo box' GTI, they're not safe!! i need a bigger car!" but now that the camaro has the same rating all of a sudden safety is not a factor anymore.
Everyone has to keep in mind this rating is for cars of similar weight. If you crash into a car weighing 2800 pounds that has a 5 star rating, the Camaro will come out on top. Look at this test of a Honda Accord versus a Fit. Both have 5 star ratings. The Fit looks like a crumpled beer can.

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Old 08-06-2009, 08:20 PM   #254
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As has been stated here already a car is not rated on how the car looks after a crash, but in how well it protects the occupants from the impact both through actual physical intrusion into the cabin and through the transmission of the force of the crash into the cabin which may not actually leave major physical distortion post impact. In the case of the Camaro video you can actually see the doors/roof of the car distort temporarily as the force of the crash moves through the front of the vehicle into the cabin area. Watch the video of the crash tests for the Mustang and Challenger, you don't see the same distortion as the force from the impact travels through the car which would tend to suggest those forces are being absorbed and or dissapated before they reach the passenger. Without doubt that isn't helping the Camaro.
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Old 08-06-2009, 08:41 PM   #255
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Seriously, do you really think that more people aren't surviving car crashes now due to all the advances made in safety?
Click it or ticket probably helped a lot.
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Old 08-06-2009, 08:46 PM   #256
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Are there actually any of us within this thread that are structural engineers having a real understanding of kinetic energy, structural statics, or knowledge of how forces are actually transmitted through rigid structures? Just because the dodge or ford doesn't crumple beyond the front clip doesn't say there are not similar forces continuing into the cabin. That doesn't mean that forces stopped at the dashboard. As far as we know the steering wheels could have ended up in the rear seat.
I don't think any of us would want to be subjected to the forces recorded in any of these vehicles.

These tests are simply conducted as controlled comparitive samples. As I have said several posts back. The actual safety performance of all three of these cars will not be fully understood for several years unitil actual road crash data is collected and observed.

Conduct 300 real road impacts and you could likely see 300 differing results in all three cars.
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Old 08-06-2009, 08:48 PM   #257
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you think that was bad? go to google and type in smart car hit by semi click the first result *warning* it is a little gruesome
Here's the link

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what's the crash rating on THAT??

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Old 08-06-2009, 08:52 PM   #258
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Here is another smart car incident.
http://imgur.com/kGUKD.png
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Old 08-06-2009, 08:54 PM   #259
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I am a bit disappointed with the 4-star rating. Mind you, I feel perfectly safe in a car with a 4-star rating, but the main justification for the Camaro's weight has been for getting the absolute best safety ratings. If all the excess weight went towards safety, I'd hate to see how bad things would be if it weighed in the 3500 lb range.
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:09 PM   #260
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Ok, first of all, for this post only, I have temporarily changed your name to "Your dealer".

Seriously, do you really think that more people aren't surviving car crashes now due to all the advances made in safety?

First Off, I could be wrong but I think calling me "Idiot" is a violation of forum rules, but I don't really care what you call me.

Secondly, my point was that If you truly wanted a 100% survivable car it's do-able...but you will sit behind a 15 foot long hood with 6 crush zones, in a 12 foot wide car that is no taller than 3 feet so it doesn't roll over. Everyone will wear a 6 point safety harness and a helmet with a HANS device, a nomex fire suit, and drive from inside an airtight ejectable compartment with a fire supression system rated to withstand 50G impacts.

Sounds a little crazy right......my point is that you can't engineer a car to be 100% safe without sacrificing other things, like appearance and driveability. Do you think an extra crash star is worth a couple hundred more pounds to our already hefty Camaro? What about if it required the front and back to be higher for better crash results? Maybe the windshield needs to be bigger and set forward more at more of an angle. The A pillars need to be twice as big to reinforce the new larger front crush zone. By the time you are done getting a 5 star rating you might have a different car.

I think the car is fine as is, and all you need to do is not drive like a moron and you will be fine.
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:10 PM   #261
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I read somewhere that it was rated 5 star........................ hmmmm


Ok that was side impact.

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Old 08-06-2009, 09:18 PM   #262
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Hum strange cause 4th Gen's had 5 stars frontal. Well hopefully they can take a look at it again in terms of maybe improving it a bit for future year runs.

But I think this is still one of the safest cars GM has ever made.
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:19 PM   #263
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Just to let you guys know. neither of those cars smashed, are Smart cars. Smart cars use a 3lug pattern not 5
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:20 PM   #264
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Click it or ticket probably helped a lot.
Don't need that either...just better driver training according to "Your Dealer".
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First Off, I could be wrong but I think calling me "Idiot" is a violation of forum rules, but I don't really care what you call me.

Secondly, my point was that If you truly wanted a 100% survivable car it's do-able...but you will sit behind a 15 foot long hood with 6 crush zones, in a 12 foot wide car that is no taller than 3 feet so it doesn't roll over. Everyone will wear a 6 point safety harness and a helmet with a HANS device, a nomex fire suit, and drive from inside an airtight ejectable compartment with a fire supression system rated to withstand 50G impacts.
Nobody is talking about a 100% survivable car. Nobody.

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Sounds a little crazy right......
Umm...yes it does, but I think I know why.

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my point is that you can't engineer a car to be 100% safe without sacrificing other things, like appearance and driveability. Do you think an extra crash star is worth a couple hundred more pounds to our already hefty Camaro? What about if it required the front and back to be higher for better crash results? Maybe the windshield needs to be bigger and set forward more at more of an angle. The A pillars need to be twice as big to reinforce the new larger front crush zone. By the time you are done getting a 5 star rating you might have a different car.

I think the car is fine as is, and all you need to do is not drive like a moron and you will be fine.
Not true at all. Dodge managed to with the Challenger, Ford managed to with the Mustang. Neither of those compromised looks for safety. There is really no excuse why the Camaro didn't or couldn't match up.
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:26 PM   #266
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Just to let you guys know. neither of those cars smashed, are Smart cars. Smart cars use a 3lug pattern not 5
Agree...first one looks like a small VW. Seems like every time a small car is crushed beyond recognition, it's automatically labeled as a Smart Car.
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:36 PM   #267
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I'm no fanboy for sure. I do not care thats its 4 or 5 stars.
At 4 or 5 stars its still a VERY safe car.

My beef is that GM designed the car for 5 stars and fell short. I'm sure someones head is gonna roll over that. I just wish we can give back those 300 pounds and settle for the 4 stars. Now we have the extra 300lbs and 4 stars.

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Old 08-06-2009, 09:45 PM   #268
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It is disappointing that it got a 4 star rating though in the frontal crash test. Very disappointing.. My old 1998 Mustang had a 5 star rating all around..
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Just to let you guys know. neither of those cars smashed, are Smart cars. Smart cars use a 3lug pattern not 5
Touche! Small car. I think most cars would be screwed sandwiched like that. Good catch. I should have checked snopes first!
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The other evidence are the crashes so far. I can't remember a single owner or occupant that was critically injured yet or that has complained about the safety after a crash.
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These guys posted it up too:

http://www.leftlanenews.com/nhtsa-fo...vy-camaro.html
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The other evidence are the crashes so far. I can't remember a single owner or occupant that was critically injured yet or that has complained about the safety after a crash.
One did have serious injuries in this forum while most others were minor crashes. There are others that have crashed that are not members and you would not know about. Furthermore if there was a serious crash from a member, you would have to wait until the member got out of the hospital if they survived before we'd find out anything. Ultimately 4 stars is not bad, however it is also not very good either.. It just means in a head on, you will be experiencing more G forces than a 5 star car would when your head hits the airbag..
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Few more sites reporting on the 4 star rating...
http://wot.motortrend.com/6570677/au...ing/index.html
http://blogs.thecarconnection.com/ma...n-ncap-testing
http://www.motorauthority.com/2010-c...a-testing.html
http://www.caradvice.com.au/37755/ca...safety-rating/

Four stars may not be horrible, but it certainly gives web sites ammo to go after the leader...not good.
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Few more sites reporting on the 4 star rating...
http://wot.motortrend.com/6570677/au...ing/index.html
http://blogs.thecarconnection.com/ma...n-ncap-testing
http://www.motorauthority.com/2010-c...a-testing.html

Four stars may not be horrible, but it certainly gives web sites ammo to go after the leader...not good.
Its brand new news, It'll come..
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My beef is that GM designed the car for 5 stars and fell short. I'm sure someones head is gonna roll over that. I just wish we can give back those 300 pounds and settle for the 4 stars. Now we have the extra 300lbs and 4 stars.

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That's exactly how I feel. All things considered, I feel rather safe in just about any modern car. Earlier someone posted the statistic for deaths per miles driven, and while I can't remember it right now as I'm typing it, driving is remarkably safe given when you consider it is essentially controlling a two ton missile in extremely close proximity to other "drivers" doing the same, while also eating, drinking, talking on cell phones, etc, with nothing more than lights and painted lines to direct us. That is pretty darn impressive.

I have to admit I'm a bit conflicted on the whole subject of car safety. On one hand, I hate the feeling that we're increasingly being confined to sanitary little safety bubbles, with tons of rules, restrictions, and safety devices with decreasing rates of return. Every new car safety regulation means more weight, which means less efficiency and less performance. Sometimes we're so afraid of dying we forget how to live. Now on the other hand, I can't think of anything that would destroy my life more than seeing my wife or future children injured or killed in a car accident. Seriously, if you want to see me tear up, just play the song "Last Kiss" and I just about bawl. In that context, safety is a big, big concern. I'm still fairly confident that with where we are in terms of car safety, if you die in a wreck, that's God calling you home. Driving is safe, and the 2010 Camaro is just about as safe as any other car.
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