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Old 08-06-2009, 10:00 PM   #276
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this is a tad bit off topic but ... how on earth did the smart car get these ratings after seeing evidence like the stuff above
http://www.automotive.com/2009/12/sm...sts/index.html
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Old 08-06-2009, 10:02 PM   #277
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this is a tad bit off topic but ... how on earth did the smart car get these ratings after seeing evidence like the stuff above
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They get rated against cars of the same size..
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this is a tad bit off topic but ... how on earth did the smart car get these ratings after seeing evidence like the stuff above
http://www.automotive.com/2009/12/sm...sts/index.html
Weight disparity has a lot to do with it. To oversimplify it a bit, the ratings are relative to the car's size and weight.
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Old 08-06-2009, 10:02 PM   #279
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Um...what exactly is it that is so concerning about this frontal crash video? The car appears strong - passenger compartment appears fully intact after the crash, you can see the curtain airbags inflate as they should etc. Yes, front end gets smashed as it should, but panels stay on, wheels stay on etc. Anyone who thinks this is bad needs to see a C6 Corvette crash video - those fiberglass geezermobiles completely disintegrate upon impact - panels, doors & wheels fly in all directions.
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Old 08-06-2009, 10:04 PM   #280
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ah yeha, now that the camaro got disappointing ratings, let's focus on other cars and why they should get worse ratings. lol. awesome.
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Old 08-06-2009, 10:05 PM   #281
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Um...what exactly is it that is so concerning about this frontal crash video? The car appears strong - passenger compartment appears fully intact after the crash, you can see the curtain airbags inflate as they should etc. Yes, front end gets smashed as it should, but panels stay on, wheels stay on etc. Anyone who thinks this is bad needs to see a C6 Corvette crash video - those fiberglass geezermobiles completely disintegrate upon impact - panels, doors & wheels fly in all directions.
You can't determine anything about a crash test by "looks". Think about the term "crumple zone". It allows parts of the car to crush in on themselves to dissipate energy before it reaches the humans inside. So the car will look completely smashed, but the people inside are fine. On the other hand, imagine a car that didn't dissipate any energy. It could stay completely intact, but much more energy would be transferred to the humans, turning them into jello. There were some earlier posts concerning the g forces and pressure loads experienced by the dummies posing as driver and passengers. Then you'll see why the rating was a 4-star rather than 5.
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Old 08-06-2009, 10:06 PM   #282
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i agree with what supersport said completely
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Old 08-06-2009, 10:16 PM   #283
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Seems that they tested the V6, will a V8 test be done?

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Old 08-06-2009, 10:21 PM   #284
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Lol safety features.

Other than a seatbelt.... They should have just gone with a 5pt harness option to loose the airbags ^_^
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Old 08-06-2009, 10:54 PM   #285
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Something to chew on....this 5-star rating crash test is not infallable.

For example, the 4thgens used to have a 5-star rating...till GM "depowered" the airbags in the later years to reduce passenger impact upon deployment. They earned only 4 stars after that...but the passengers were actually safer.

We have yet to hear the full story...but I'm suspecting something like this is the case with the 5thgen. You don't engineer something to do one thing, and have it go wrong. They were keenly aware of the level of safety expected from this vehicle...I don't think they messed up.
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Old 08-07-2009, 06:46 AM   #286
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I want more information other than the title of a YouTube video. After all, I can post the same video and put 3 star rating in the title.

From what I've heard and seen it looks like the Camaro is holding up well in crashes. I saw a post where someone hit a tree really hard in the front and it definately totalled the car yet he walked away with no issues.

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Broke my back, both of my wrists, my ankle, and suffered a concussion. I guess I'm just glad I'm alive.
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31883

No offense, but I wouldn't consider a broken back, two broken wrists, a broken ankle, and a concussion as "walked away with no issues."
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Old 08-07-2009, 07:07 AM   #287
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Um...what exactly is it that is so concerning about this frontal crash video? The car appears strong - passenger compartment appears fully intact after the crash, you can see the curtain airbags inflate as they should etc. Yes, front end gets smashed as it should, but panels stay on, wheels stay on etc. Anyone who thinks this is bad needs to see a C6 Corvette crash video - those fiberglass geezermobiles completely disintegrate upon impact - panels, doors & wheels fly in all directions.
How many times are people going to say it's not what the car looks like after the crash it's the energy that gets trasnferred into the cabin?


on another not why do i feel that if a challenger or a mustang for a 4 star frontal crash test rating you guys would be going wild on it? Unfair if you ask me
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Old 08-07-2009, 08:10 AM   #288
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Um...what exactly is it that is so concerning about this frontal crash video? The car appears strong - passenger compartment appears fully intact after the crash, you can see the curtain airbags inflate as they should etc. Yes, front end gets smashed as it should, but panels stay on, wheels stay on etc. Anyone who thinks this is bad needs to see a C6 Corvette crash video - those fiberglass geezermobiles completely disintegrate upon impact - panels, doors & wheels fly in all directions.
Ignorance on a complete new scale right there.

Trying reading the thread next time so you don't look silly. Have you ever wondered why race cars "crumple" during crashes? BTW a Corvette is not in the same weight class as a Camaro.
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Old 08-07-2009, 09:09 AM   #289
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I find it disturbing in this time and age, that people base the decision to buy an automobile on it's crash test rating.
I personally am not buying the car, thinking hmmmmmmm I think today I want to crash into the neighbor's car.
Instead I say look at that nice car, and it has a great engine in it too. Wow!
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Old 08-07-2009, 09:13 AM   #290
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Something to chew on....this 5-star rating crash test is not infallable.

For example, the 4thgens used to have a 5-star rating...till GM "depowered" the airbags in the later years to reduce passenger impact upon deployment. They earned only 4 stars after that...but the passengers were actually safer.

We have yet to hear the full story...but I'm suspecting something like this is the case with the 5thgen. You don't engineer something to do one thing, and have it go wrong. They were keenly aware of the level of safety expected from this vehicle...I don't think they messed up.
Honestly, if GM had a chance to get a 5 star rating over a 4 and they knew exactly what change needed to be made...They would have gone for the 5 star rating.. With that said, I hope you are right and I am wrong in this case which should warrant the GM engineers to come out and explain the 4 star rating in the same manner that they explained the airbag being weaker in the 4thgens. If they do not come out with an explanation, then we can assume they tried for a 5 star (Thought they were going to get a 5 star rating) and got a 4. In a field of muscle cars that are its main competitors getting 5 star ratings, it does not look good, there is little ways to spin the situation. Let's hope you are correct though. Because the Camaro is a 4 star frontal crash rated vehicle, the insurance premiums will be higher than if it was a 5 star rating all around.
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Old 08-07-2009, 09:13 AM   #291
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I find it disturbing in this time and age, that people base the decision to buy an automobile on it's crash test rating.
I personally am not buying the car, thinking hmmmmmmm I think today I want to crash into the neighbor's car.
Instead I say look at that nice car, and it has a great engine in it too. Wow!
You should rethink your priorities ... remember, when you have an accident, it may not be your fault.. I don't think anyone is thinking .. hmm gonna buy this car to crash it !!

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You should rethink your priorities ... remember, when you have an accident, it may not be your fault.. I don't think anyone is thinking .. hmm gonna buy this car to crash it !!

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Yeah but with all these pathetic safety features your giving all of these bad drivers even more reason to stay poor drivers.

I say pinto's for anyone who wants a safe vehicle!
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Old 08-07-2009, 09:30 AM   #293
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Yeah but with all these pathetic safety features your giving all of these bad drivers even more reason to stay poor drivers.

I say pinto's for anyone who wants a safe vehicle!
Thank you. I agree here.
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Old 08-07-2009, 09:37 AM   #294
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the 4 star rating stinks, but GM probably work their butts of to fix it for next year's model. 4 stars sounds bad when so many other cars get 5 and the Mustang and Challenger both have 5... This is the first model year of this car, The mustang has had years of refreshes. I'll give them time But not too much because I still want to buy the car next year!
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I don't plan on crashing mine and could really care less what the safety rating is. I have never once purchased a car and looked up its safety/crash rating. Just my .02
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Old 08-07-2009, 09:52 AM   #296
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Well, they would have a better chance at living in a frontal crash .. I guess that isn't important though ...

Piss poor for ANY NEW vehicle to get less than 5 stars ... I don't care what car it is.

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Not going to return it, or trade it or anything dumb, but Crowley is right.

all new cars should get 5 stars.
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Old 08-07-2009, 09:56 AM   #297
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For me, the big picture is insurance cost might skyrocket because of these ratings and all the talk.
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No offense, but I wouldn't consider a broken back, two broken wrists, a broken ankle, and a concussion as "walked away with no issues."
You're trying to use the single worst 2010 Camaro accident yet as a typical case? In most cases, yes, people DO walk away from bad Camaro accidents with no issues.
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Old 08-07-2009, 10:34 AM   #299
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Why would that make anyone not buy it? Accidents happen, but this car is a whole hell of a lot safer than the subcompacts on the road, and a lot safer than anything people were driving in years past. Doesn't discourage me at all, and I guess you guys should just hope that you're hitting a yaris if you plan to crash. See who makes it out of that crash.
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You can't tell crap by that video.. the real data comes from the crash test dummies in the car.

Personally I don't see a four-star rating as bad.. :shrug:
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