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Old 08-06-2009, 09:46 PM   #256
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Are there actually any of us within this thread that are structural engineers having a real understanding of kinetic energy, structural statics, or knowledge of how forces are actually transmitted through rigid structures? Just because the dodge or ford doesn't crumple beyond the front clip doesn't say there are not similar forces continuing into the cabin. That doesn't mean that forces stopped at the dashboard. As far as we know the steering wheels could have ended up in the rear seat.
I don't think any of us would want to be subjected to the forces recorded in any of these vehicles.

These tests are simply conducted as controlled comparitive samples. As I have said several posts back. The actual safety performance of all three of these cars will not be fully understood for several years unitil actual road crash data is collected and observed.

Conduct 300 real road impacts and you could likely see 300 differing results in all three cars.
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:48 PM   #257
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you think that was bad? go to google and type in smart car hit by semi click the first result *warning* it is a little gruesome
Here's the link

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what's the crash rating on THAT??

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Old 08-06-2009, 09:52 PM   #258
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Here is another smart car incident.
http://imgur.com/kGUKD.png
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:54 PM   #259
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I am a bit disappointed with the 4-star rating. Mind you, I feel perfectly safe in a car with a 4-star rating, but the main justification for the Camaro's weight has been for getting the absolute best safety ratings. If all the excess weight went towards safety, I'd hate to see how bad things would be if it weighed in the 3500 lb range.
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Old 08-06-2009, 10:09 PM   #260
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Ok, first of all, for this post only, I have temporarily changed your name to "Your dealer".

Seriously, do you really think that more people aren't surviving car crashes now due to all the advances made in safety?

First Off, I could be wrong but I think calling me "Idiot" is a violation of forum rules, but I don't really care what you call me.

Secondly, my point was that If you truly wanted a 100% survivable car it's do-able...but you will sit behind a 15 foot long hood with 6 crush zones, in a 12 foot wide car that is no taller than 3 feet so it doesn't roll over. Everyone will wear a 6 point safety harness and a helmet with a HANS device, a nomex fire suit, and drive from inside an airtight ejectable compartment with a fire supression system rated to withstand 50G impacts.

Sounds a little crazy right......my point is that you can't engineer a car to be 100% safe without sacrificing other things, like appearance and driveability. Do you think an extra crash star is worth a couple hundred more pounds to our already hefty Camaro? What about if it required the front and back to be higher for better crash results? Maybe the windshield needs to be bigger and set forward more at more of an angle. The A pillars need to be twice as big to reinforce the new larger front crush zone. By the time you are done getting a 5 star rating you might have a different car.

I think the car is fine as is, and all you need to do is not drive like a moron and you will be fine.
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Old 08-06-2009, 10:10 PM   #261
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I read somewhere that it was rated 5 star........................ hmmmm


Ok that was side impact.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33918
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Old 08-06-2009, 10:18 PM   #262
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Hum strange cause 4th Gen's had 5 stars frontal. Well hopefully they can take a look at it again in terms of maybe improving it a bit for future year runs.

But I think this is still one of the safest cars GM has ever made.
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Old 08-06-2009, 10:19 PM   #263
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Just to let you guys know. neither of those cars smashed, are Smart cars. Smart cars use a 3lug pattern not 5
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Old 08-06-2009, 10:20 PM   #264
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Click it or ticket probably helped a lot.
Don't need that either...just better driver training according to "Your Dealer".
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Old 08-06-2009, 10:25 PM   #265
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First Off, I could be wrong but I think calling me "Idiot" is a violation of forum rules, but I don't really care what you call me.

Secondly, my point was that If you truly wanted a 100% survivable car it's do-able...but you will sit behind a 15 foot long hood with 6 crush zones, in a 12 foot wide car that is no taller than 3 feet so it doesn't roll over. Everyone will wear a 6 point safety harness and a helmet with a HANS device, a nomex fire suit, and drive from inside an airtight ejectable compartment with a fire supression system rated to withstand 50G impacts.
Nobody is talking about a 100% survivable car. Nobody.

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Sounds a little crazy right......
Umm...yes it does, but I think I know why.

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my point is that you can't engineer a car to be 100% safe without sacrificing other things, like appearance and driveability. Do you think an extra crash star is worth a couple hundred more pounds to our already hefty Camaro? What about if it required the front and back to be higher for better crash results? Maybe the windshield needs to be bigger and set forward more at more of an angle. The A pillars need to be twice as big to reinforce the new larger front crush zone. By the time you are done getting a 5 star rating you might have a different car.

I think the car is fine as is, and all you need to do is not drive like a moron and you will be fine.
Not true at all. Dodge managed to with the Challenger, Ford managed to with the Mustang. Neither of those compromised looks for safety. There is really no excuse why the Camaro didn't or couldn't match up.
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Old 08-06-2009, 10:26 PM   #266
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Just to let you guys know. neither of those cars smashed, are Smart cars. Smart cars use a 3lug pattern not 5
Agree...first one looks like a small VW. Seems like every time a small car is crushed beyond recognition, it's automatically labeled as a Smart Car.
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Old 08-06-2009, 10:36 PM   #267
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I'm no fanboy for sure. I do not care thats its 4 or 5 stars.
At 4 or 5 stars its still a VERY safe car.

My beef is that GM designed the car for 5 stars and fell short. I'm sure someones head is gonna roll over that. I just wish we can give back those 300 pounds and settle for the 4 stars. Now we have the extra 300lbs and 4 stars.

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Old 08-06-2009, 10:45 PM   #268
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It is disappointing that it got a 4 star rating though in the frontal crash test. Very disappointing.. My old 1998 Mustang had a 5 star rating all around..
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Old 08-06-2009, 10:45 PM   #269
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Just to let you guys know. neither of those cars smashed, are Smart cars. Smart cars use a 3lug pattern not 5
Touche! Small car. I think most cars would be screwed sandwiched like that. Good catch. I should have checked snopes first!
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The other evidence are the crashes so far. I can't remember a single owner or occupant that was critically injured yet or that has complained about the safety after a crash.
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These guys posted it up too:

http://www.leftlanenews.com/nhtsa-fo...vy-camaro.html
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The other evidence are the crashes so far. I can't remember a single owner or occupant that was critically injured yet or that has complained about the safety after a crash.
One did have serious injuries in this forum while most others were minor crashes. There are others that have crashed that are not members and you would not know about. Furthermore if there was a serious crash from a member, you would have to wait until the member got out of the hospital if they survived before we'd find out anything. Ultimately 4 stars is not bad, however it is also not very good either.. It just means in a head on, you will be experiencing more G forces than a 5 star car would when your head hits the airbag..
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