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Old 08-06-2009, 11:58 PM   #18
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And how much money is this costing?

There's a point where you spend so much money that it just makes no sense. I could attach million dollar shuttle rockets to a Toyota Camry, but it doesn't make it awesome. Any car can be made fast...for this project to be worth it the cost of doing this needs to be feasible for regular people to transform their V6's.
Top Gear took a Reliant Robin, turned it into a Space Shuttle replica, and launched it. I'm sure it cost a ton of money (British taxpayer money, no less) but boy was it entertaining. Sometimes that's the point. Just being awesome.
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Old 08-07-2009, 12:28 AM   #19
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That's awesome - my good friend recently "borrowed" a GT-R from his cousin - it's an incredible machine. I've had many V8s in my lifetime, and they are great bang for the buck. However, the saying "there's no replacement for displacement" may not be so accurate anymore. There was an episode of Pinks where a Civic was wasting Chevelles - as with computers, technology will drive "more with less". I think the LLT is going to surprise alot of folks, and perhaps be the next big thing in V6-land (if not already).
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Old 08-07-2009, 12:35 AM   #20
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This will deffinately effect the way the car is viewed by those who have it and those who are considering it.
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Old 08-07-2009, 12:42 AM   #21
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Here is the vette record stock ZR1. Driven by GM performance parts big wig Jim Mero.
Guy is one heck of a driver.

awesome ride that he lost it a couple of times.
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Old 08-07-2009, 01:09 AM   #22
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Of course it is going to be expensive, but how could it not be worth seeing someone's minimal Camaro LS defeat a Nissan GT-R at the Nurburgring?
Because if no one else will use this setup because of the ridiculous costs then it doesn't mean anything. Like I said, shuttle rockets on a Camry...no one is going to think the Camry is awesome because I can afford to modify the Camry to the point where it's not even a Camry anymore.

Also, no one's going to say a V6 Camaro beat the GT-R...they'll say a V6 that was completely and expensively redone beat a GT-R. They're only supporting the well-known fact that if you put enough money into almost any car, you can make it very fast...
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Old 08-07-2009, 01:41 AM   #23
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Because if no one else will use this setup because of the ridiculous costs then it doesn't mean anything. Like I said, shuttle rockets on a Camry...no one is going to think the Camry is awesome because I can afford to modify the Camry to the point where it's not even a Camry anymore.
No one said that they're positively going to reproduce the same kit and setup in mass quantities for profit. Even if this ends up being a one-off car, the publicity and enhanced reputation their company would gain all over the internet and magazines might make the long term gains more than worth the $ they put into this one project. Not every project by a tuner is for mass sale and application. Many are undertaken simply to show the technical and mechanical expertise/ knowledge that the company is capable of.
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Old 08-07-2009, 01:43 AM   #24
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O man im hype to see this since my friend has a gt-r and well I have a 2LT. lol hes dying to drive my Camaro, he offered to let me drive his gt-r if he could drive my Camaro. yeah right! haha
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Old 08-07-2009, 01:51 AM   #25
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Wow, can't wait to see how it turns out
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Old 08-07-2009, 02:15 AM   #26
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Awesome! This is going to earn the little V6 LLT some well deserved , and we'll get to find the limits (if they even reach them) of this little engine.

Here here for the LLT becoming the next engine to be touched by the hand of god (GNX )
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Old 08-07-2009, 02:22 AM   #27
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I think its hilarious...the camaro is going to have zero problem laying down the hp's from that V6 to match the skyline, the problem is going to be weight.

Maybe some carbon fiber parts(better chose a black LS) and some lighter rims would help out. I'm sure handling will be a lot easier to fix once some of the excess weight is taken off.
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Old 08-07-2009, 03:04 AM   #28
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And how much money is this costing?

There's a point where you spend so much money that it just makes no sense. I could attach million dollar shuttle rockets to a Toyota Camry, but it doesn't make it awesome. Any car can be made fast...for this project to be worth it the cost of doing this needs to be feasible for regular people to transform their V6's.
Exactly.

This car...from delivery at dealer...until it beats the GT-R doesn't mean anything if it doesn't come in at under $80K (estimated GT-R cost).

It's the same argument we use about the Mustang GT500... "Yeah it's faster but it costs $15K more!" If you can't make a Camaro faster than a GT500 with $15K...then the GT500 wins. (which shouldn't be a problem LOL)

(BTW, they basically have $57,000 to make it faster than the GTR...so it's not chump-change they're working with.)
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No one said that they're positively going to reproduce the same kit and setup in mass quantities for profit. Even if this ends up being a one-off car, the publicity and enhanced reputation their company would gain all over the internet and magazines might make the long term gains more than worth the $ they put into this one project. Not every project by a tuner is for mass sale and application. Many are undertaken simply to show the technical and mechanical expertise/ knowledge that the company is capable of.
Very well stated and also the post that The Blur stated above is well put. We have a V6- 2010 Camaro being shipped to us currently, which will have our single turbo kit installed on it, but we will post that in another thread.

The GT-R's are fast and that V6 Camaro is going to have its work cut out for it, but it is doable in the right hands.
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Old 08-07-2009, 09:15 AM   #31
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I think its hilarious...the camaro is going to have zero problem laying down the hp's from that V6 to match the skyline, the problem is going to be weight.

Maybe some carbon fiber parts(better chose a black LS) and some lighter rims would help out. I'm sure handling will be a lot easier to fix once some of the excess weight is taken off.
True. I think the V-6 will be able to make the power hands down. The weight is actually close between the two

Nissan GTR: 3,830lbs
Camaro V-6: 3,750lbs

It's just all of the technical stuff on the GT-R that makes it a monster



Plus the Camaro has to beat a time of 7:29


An amazing feat, but if it comes even within striking distance of that time I would be impressed

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Old 08-07-2009, 09:19 AM   #32
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Seems like a fun project, looking forward to see some results . I really wonder how much something like this would run you though.
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Old 08-07-2009, 09:24 AM   #33
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Im no Nissan fan but these guys have there work cut out for them.... Im not saying they cant do it!
Good luck to them and I hope they pull it off!

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"Performance-wise, the gnarly Nissan has a long list of co-conspirators to thank, among them a 473-horsepower twin-turbocharged V6, a thoroughly revised version of the previous GT-R's ATTESA ET-S all-wheel-drive system, a trick suspension with adjustable dampers and a dual-clutch transmission that ranks right up there with the best in the business."

"Credit also goes to the GT-R's all-new PM ("Premium Midship") chassis, as distinguished from the FM platform that underpins the 350Z and the Infiniti G35. The GT-R's 53/47 weight distribution (50/50 under full acceleration, Nissan says) is due in part to the PM chassis' rear-mounted transmission, unusual in any case for a front-engine design -- only the Corvette and a few other high-end performance cars have one -- but unprecedented for one with all-wheel drive. What's more, to guard against inconsistencies from one GT-R to the next, the car's suspension and body are assembled on a jig, racecar style. The result is an honest-to-goodness supercar"

"The 2009 Nissan GT-R is powered by a 3.8-liter twin-turbocharged V6 engine that generates 473 hp and 434 pound-feet of torque. A six-speed dual-clutch automated manual transmission routes this prodigious power to the ground via an advanced all-wheel-drive system."

"In our instrumented testing, the 3,836-pound GT-R teleported to 60 mph in a drama-free 3.3 seconds, thanks to its launch control function, and turned in a blistering 11.6-second quarter-mile at nearly 121 mph."
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Old 08-07-2009, 09:28 AM   #34
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Go ETMC! I may have to drop by and see if they need a free hand. Would be sweet to have a hand in this project being that I live a couple miles from their shop!
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