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Old 08-07-2009, 11:16 AM   #51
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Guys,


While I would love to give all of the technical info about this project I can't. All I can say is that this is very doable. We have done a LOT of research to make sure we are not way off base with this. We know the Camaro ways LESS than the GTR and with Pedders suspension we can get a PERFECT weight distribution. We know we can pull higher g-forces in the Camaro than the GTR. We know we can make the power. The big question for us and to everyone else is going to be if we can put this into a package and make it all work together the way the GTR or ZR1 can.

Bottom line is if I didn't think it were possible I wouldn't put my reputation on the line.

Thanks for all of the support guys and keep an eye on us!
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Old 08-07-2009, 11:26 AM   #52
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While I would love to give all of the technical info about this project I can't. All I can say is that this is very doable. We have done a LOT of research to make sure we are not way off base with this. We know the Camaro ways LESS than the GTR and with Pedders suspension we can get a PERFECT weight distribution. We know we can pull higher g-forces in the Camaro than the GTR. We know we can make the power. The big question for us and to everyone else is going to be if we can put this into a package and make it all work together the way the GTR or ZR1 can.

Bottom line is if I didn't think it were possible I wouldn't put my reputation on the line.

Thanks for all of the support guys and keep an eye on us!


Man I would love to have ringside seats to this brawl!
Good luck guys!
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Old 08-07-2009, 11:27 AM   #53
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no other suspension mods? just coilovers and a BBK? info on BBK, is it 4 piston or 6 piston? what about rear brakes? upgrading those as well? n e weight reduction?
Good questions.

Here's some cutaway pics of the GT-R. Didn't know it had a carbon fiber propshaft from the factory








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Old 08-07-2009, 11:33 AM   #54
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Those are pretty cool cut away pics!
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Old 08-07-2009, 12:07 PM   #55
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Guys,


While I would love to give all of the technical info about this project I can't. All I can say is that this is very doable. We have done a LOT of research to make sure we are not way off base with this. We know the Camaro ways LESS than the GTR and with Pedders suspension we can get a PERFECT weight distribution. We know we can pull higher g-forces in the Camaro than the GTR. We know we can make the power. The big question for us and to everyone else is going to be if we can put this into a package and make it all work together the way the GTR or ZR1 can.

Bottom line is if I didn't think it were possible I wouldn't put my reputation on the line.

Thanks for all of the support guys and keep an eye on us!
Mmmm...good =) I can't wait to see this in action.

Those saying its going to cost to much and what not. Its not about will you put it on your car, but all the people who dream about having it on there car. This could be huge for the Camaro and East TX Muscle Cars. Its like saying GM building the GT2 Corvette is wrong cause it costs to much money and no one can buy the parts. "Race on sunday, buy on monday" woot =)
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Old 08-07-2009, 12:31 PM   #56
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As much as i love the camaro, ill throw in the towel on this one...

Euro/Jap cars just handle so much better. Sure you can get the V6 to put out as much power, but power isn't everything. Power is actually the last thing in my books. Suspension/Handling is what lowers lap times, not how easy you can spin the tires. For those thinking that im biased, I'm definitely not, I'm ordering a 2ss in January.

I will give them mad props if they actually pull it off though! I'm keeping my eye on this one.
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Old 08-07-2009, 12:34 PM   #57
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No one said that they're positively going to reproduce the same kit and setup in mass quantities for profit. Even if this ends up being a one-off car, the publicity and enhanced reputation their company would gain all over the internet and magazines might make the long term gains more than worth the $ they put into this one project. Not every project by a tuner is for mass sale and application. Many are undertaken simply to show the technical and mechanical expertise/ knowledge that the company is capable of.
I never said it wouldn't be a victory for the company itself, this is why they are doing it.

As for people making the claim of "a V6 Camaro beat the GT-R", well that's just false. It's basically a completely different car going against the GT-R. Also, if the costs to do this plus the Camaro are above the initial cost of the GT-R, then I don't see how they can say the Camaro wins. It's all about price ranges when you compare cars...any car can be made fast with enough money.
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Old 08-07-2009, 12:40 PM   #58
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I never said it wouldn't be a victory for the company itself, this is why they are doing it.

As for people making the claim of "a V6 Camaro beat the GT-R", well that's just false. It's basically a completely different car going against the GT-R. Also, if the costs to do this plus the Camaro are above the initial cost of the GT-R, then I don't see how they can say the Camaro wins. It's all about price ranges when you compare cars...any car can be made fast with enough money.
they're saying it'll be about 55K...

pretty good cost comparison... I'm not saying it's a guaranteed victory for the camaro, nor that they should settle for a loss. But, if they even get close for 55k, Man that would be cool to see.
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Old 08-07-2009, 12:56 PM   #59
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Good luck! It's not going to be easy the GT-R is a monster when it comes to handling. But I would love to see a Camaro beat it.
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Old 08-07-2009, 01:04 PM   #60
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As much as i love the camaro, ill throw in the towel on this one...

Euro/Jap cars just handle so much better. Sure you can get the V6 to put out as much power, but power isn't everything. Power is actually the last thing in my books. Suspension/Handling is what lowers lap times, not how easy you can spin the tires. For those thinking that im biased, I'm definitely not, I'm ordering a 2ss in January.

I will give them mad props if they actually pull it off though! I'm keeping my eye on this one.
thats why they cost more.... good luck and keep us posted cant wait to see camaro times!!!
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Old 08-07-2009, 01:29 PM   #61
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Hmm
ZR1's have 638 HP and weigh in at 3350lbs are a little faster than the GT-R at the ring .
And yall are going to take a 3700lbs , 304 hp car and take on the GT-R .
The Camaro would need 700hp to match the ZR1 LBS/HP ratio .

So you going to (pretty much) make a ZR1 out of a V6 Camaro and $30k .
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Old 08-07-2009, 01:46 PM   #62
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ZR1's have 638 HP and weigh in at 3350lbs are a little faster than the GT-R at the ring .
And yall are going to take a 3700lbs , 304 hp car and take on the GT-R .
The Camaro would need 700hp to match the ZR1 LBS/HP ratio .

So you going to (pretty much) make a ZR1 out of a V6 Camaro and $30k .
Hey I'm not saying it isn't a tall order.

But what's wrong with aiming high?
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Old 08-07-2009, 02:21 PM   #63
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With $30K to spend I am sure it is doable when spent on the right components and have a stripped out car that will last a couple of hundred miles...!?


I am most excited about someone pushing the LLT engine to its limits, just wish they would do it in 2 or 3 stages:

(1) - stock car (engine, internals & drivetrain) with just a turbo set up reliable for daily driving and regular maintenance.
2 - max boost and lets see what this engine will stand up to and what the weak parts are including driveline. Which engine, internals or drivetrain part will go first and what second, third etcetera.
3 - replace the weak parts and see what the real limit is of the engine block and see if this is enough to beat the GT-R.


GO GO GO East Texas Muscle Cars for thinking outside the box (=no V8)!!
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Old 08-07-2009, 03:38 PM   #64
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Good luck to you guys! This will be very interesting to watch the development of your car. Like some others, I would be worried about handling but I bet you guys have done your research and have thought about that way in advance. C'mon american V6 Muscle!
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Can't wait to see the results of this battle.
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Old 08-07-2009, 05:59 PM   #66
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As much as i love the camaro, ill throw in the towel on this one...

Euro/Jap cars just handle so much better. Sure you can get the V6 to put out as much power, but power isn't everything. Power is actually the last thing in my books. Suspension/Handling is what lowers lap times, not how easy you can spin the tires. For those thinking that im biased, I'm definitely not, I'm ordering a 2ss in January.

I will give them mad props if they actually pull it off though! I'm keeping my eye on this one.
Wow someone is more than a little behind the times. What is the fastest FWD compact around the Nurburgring? Cobalt SS. Fastest sedan? Cadillac CTS-V. Obviously there will be suspension mods to go with the power. But just because in the past imports have in general handled better than American cars (though not necessarily on a case-by-case basis) you can't possibly say it is impossible to make an American car handle better than a Japanese one. That is just silly. And if you are going to out-handle the GT-R, the Camaro is a really structurally solid platform to build on.
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Old 08-07-2009, 07:18 PM   #67
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No....really.... does anyone else hate the fact that they are planning on going the STS route, and not a proper setup?
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Old 08-07-2009, 08:03 PM   #68
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My money's in. I think we can beat that Nissan, it's highly overrated.
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Old 08-07-2009, 08:07 PM   #69
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Is this an actual after-race picture from when the turboed camaro ran over the gt-r and tore it to pieces to finish the race as the victor? hahahahaha

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Good questions.

Here's some cutaway pics of the GT-R. Didn't know it had a carbon fiber propshaft from the factory








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As much as i love the camaro, ill throw in the towel on this one...

Euro/Jap cars just handle so much better. Sure you can get the V6 to put out as much power, but power isn't everything. Power is actually the last thing in my books. Suspension/Handling is what lowers lap times, not how easy you can spin the tires. For those thinking that im biased, I'm definitely not, I'm ordering a 2ss in January.

I will give them mad props if they actually pull it off though! I'm keeping my eye on this one.
You sounds like my aunt. "Imports are just better cars" etc. I know, they live forever too...
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Good questions.

Here's some cutaway pics of the GT-R. Didn't know it had a carbon fiber propshaft from the factory








And lotsa chrome under the car too, apparently
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awesome ride that he lost it a couple of times.
Man that was one of the best vid on Youtube yet! I was hanging on every curve.
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My prediction....Camaro comes nowhere near the GTR.

If a 500hp z06 can barely run with it....there is no way a 500hp less aerodynamic heavier car that accelerates slower and has less grip is going to win this.

Good luck though. Its certainly is a challenge.
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My prediction....Camaro comes nowhere near the GTR.

If a 500hp z06 can barely run with it....there is no way a 500hp less aerodynamic heavier car that accelerates slower and has less grip is going to win this.

Good luck though. Its certainly is a challenge.
Good point...

I'm still rooting for the Camaro and it'll be interesting if our beloved can come close but it's a lot of weight, handling, and aerodynamics to deal with...

I believe power like that is capable but, like someone said before, it's not all about power.

Good luck I'm really going for the Camaro in this one!
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No....really.... does anyone else hate the fact that they are planning on going the STS route, and not a proper setup?
No.

Actually -- I'm glad they're using it.

They are doing a few things considered taboo by some around here. First they're pushing a V6 to become not only a competent performer, but outright haul ass (instead of the SS). AND they're going to use non-traditional ways to do it....

It'll essentially answer all our questions for us. I can't WAIT to see the results....and tout one more car capable of handing the gtr its broken transmission on a platter made of non-OEM race tires (see if anyone picks up on those metaphors...)....
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