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Old 07-06-2014, 09:14 PM   #51
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When I'm on-track I'm alternating between oil temp & pressure and TPMS. The Trofeo Rs have a fairly narrow window, regarding optimal pressure, and running in high temperatures makes it very hard to get this just right. The "do not exceed" pressure is 34, and optimal is 32. So, yes -- I often have the TPMS screen up when I'm on the track...
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Ditto for me

Tire temp on TPMS is the primary thing I watch when on track. Too high psi, I end the session. Oil temp I watch for curiosity knowing I'm going to get two indications (A/C cutoff, then a warning light) if it gets hot.
Interesting. Do you guys commonly have large differences in tire pressures, session to session? What happens when you exceed 34 psi?
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I guess I have to assume that the TPMS pressure display really is sufficiently readable under at least some bright daylight conditions (the message panel on my car is not good enough for track driving use, even if I'm not wearing sunglasses, never mind that it doesn't feature an individual tire pressure display screen).

How accurate are the numbers it displays? Have people checked all of them against their own pressure gauges for a range of pressures? Pressure transducers are still mechanical in nature and thus subject to tolerances affecting accuracy . . .


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Old 07-07-2014, 09:22 AM   #53
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I guess I have to assume that the TPMS pressure display really is sufficiently readable under at least some bright daylight conditions (the message panel on my car is not good enough for track driving use, even if I'm not wearing sunglasses, never mind that it doesn't feature an individual tire pressure display screen).

How accurate are the numbers it displays? Have people checked all of them against their own pressure gauges for a range of pressures? Pressure transducers are still mechanical in nature and thus subject to tolerances affecting accuracy . . .


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It's easily readable and has pressures for each tire on one screen. The numbers seem to be accurate to the mechanical gauge I have by +/- a pound. I don't use the tire display and prefer an actual gauge when working with tire pressures at the track. For me it's just easier, if a small adjustment is needed, I'm right there by the valve stem and I don't have to worry about tolerance differences from sensor to sensor.
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I guess I have to assume that the TPMS pressure display really is sufficiently readable under at least some bright daylight conditions ...
Yes; it's very bright and easily readable at a quick glance...

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How accurate are the numbers it displays?
I'd say it's within 1/2 a pound, based on my readings. I always cross-check pressures with a digital gauge that reads to .1 psi, and the TPMS readout always seemed close to those measurements...
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Interesting. Do you guys commonly have large differences in tire pressures, session to session? What happens when you exceed 34 psi?
The car starts to feel a touch loose and greasy, IMHO, and you really start to feel this at 36 psi.

I'll ask Zfat to confirm this, but I think -- in the high temps of Thunderhill -- that 27 psi cold resulted in 33 psi hot. Quite the swing, and one reason the TPMS readout is a handy tool...
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I have found that a hand gauge and the DIC are very close. If they are within 1/2 lb then that's fine for 20 to 40lbs. Need closer for low 5 to 20 lbs.
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The car starts to feel a touch loose and greasy, IMHO, and you really start to feel this at 36 psi.

I'll ask Zfat to confirm this, but I think -- in the high temps of Thunderhill -- that 27 psi cold resulted in 33 psi hot. Quite the swing, and one reason the TPMS readout is a handy tool...
If your running consistent lap to lap and session to session the tire temps should be stabilizing within +/- a pound each run. Of course significant changes in the weather will effect that, but once your tires reach operating temp, say 130*(after a lap or two) they should stay at that temp and corresponding pressure.

For example I set my tires at 26 when I get to the track, after a couple warm up laps I hit it hard for 20-30 minutes. It usually puts me around 33 psi. I will adjust if needed for the given conditions that day, but after that first run I'm usually set for the rest of the day.

I guess I'm just wondering why it needs monitoring during the session. Unless it's just curiosity cause I understand that too.
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If your running consistent lap to lap and session to session the tire temps should be stabilizing within +/- a pound each run. Of course significant changes in the weather will effect that, but once your tires reach operating temp, say 130*(after a lap or two) they should stay at that temp and corresponding pressure.

For example I set my tires at 26 when I get to the track, after a couple warm up laps I hit it hard for 20-30 minutes. It usually puts me around 33 psi. I will adjust if needed for the given conditions that day, but after that first run I'm usually set for the rest of the day.

I guess I'm just wondering why it needs monitoring during the session. Unless it's just curiosity cause I understand that too.
First, I'd never run at Thunderhill before my recent weekend there. Second, we had multiple runs over the course of the day (four, I think) so the variation in ambient between morning and afternoon was substantial. Third, I'm learning the car and the tire, and was unsure where I'd need to start to end up in the 32-34 range given the high temp of 106 degrees. Fourth, Pirelli claim the optimal pressure for this tire is 2 bar/30 psi. I was trying to find the optimal tire pressure window but I didn't buy the 30 psi scenario on a car with the weight of the Z/28.

After driving at Thunderhill, I believe the sweet spot is 32-34 psi. There was a tire expert, Guy Gamba, who was at the track measuring tread temps and pressures. He knows the Trofeo R very well, and thought the optimal pressure was 32 psi. I'm a little less positive about that, as his guys waited about 8-10 minutes -- after I was parked at their temporary "shop" -- to check temps and pressures...
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First, I'd never run at Thunderhill before my recent weekend there. Second, we had multiple runs over the course of the day (four, I think) so the variation in ambient between morning and afternoon was substantial. Third, I'm learning the car and the tire, and was unsure where I'd need to start to end up in the 32-34 range given the high temp of 106 degrees. Fourth, Pirelli claim the optimal pressure for this tire is 2 bar/30 psi. I was trying to find the optimal tire pressure window but I didn't buy the 30 psi scenario on a car with the weight of the Z/28.

After driving at Thunderhill, I believe the sweet spot is 32-34 psi. There was a tire expert, Guy Gamba, who was at the track measuring tread temps and pressures. He knows the Trofeo R very well, and thought the optimal pressure was 32 psi. I'm a little less positive about that, as his guys waited about 8-10 minutes -- after I was parked at their temporary "shop" -- to check temps and pressures...
No problems, just curious. It's cool you had access to a tire specialist.
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No problems, just curious. It's cool you had access to a tire specialist.
Sure thing, and I didn't have a problem with your question (just trying to be thorough). The biggest issue was the temperature; that was new territory for me!

I agree; having the tire specialist there is great and Guy Gamba has forgotten more about tires than most of us know...
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Sure thing, and I didn't have a problem with your question (just trying to be thorough). The biggest issue was the temperature; that was new territory for me!

I agree; having the tire specialist there is great and Guy Gamba has forgotten more about tires than most of us know...
Cool, hope you get it all hammered out and start tearing up the track. Glad I don't have to deal with temps over the 90's
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It's easily readable and has pressures for each tire on one screen. The numbers seem to be accurate to the mechanical gauge I have by +/- a pound.
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I'd say it's within 1/2 a pound, based on my readings.
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I have found that a hand gauge and the DIC are very close.
Even for such a small sample size, that's damn good consistency. Way better than I expected.


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Cool, hope you get it all hammered out and start tearing up the track. Glad I don't have to deal with temps over the 90's
Sadly, we were literally tearing up the track. We were the first group (Hooked On Driving) to run the new 5-mile circuit, and the track started breaking up in several areas, due to the high temps!
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I put my new wheels and tires on, the car is smoother. But does not seem to want to follow ruts like it did. Also the does not seem to have the quick cornering like before. Seems like the side walls are not as stiff? I used the S-04s
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I put my new wheels and tires on, the car is smoother. But does not seem to want to follow ruts like it did. Also the does not seem to have the quick cornering like before. Seems like the side walls are not as stiff? I used the S-04s
I think the S-04s are great street tires, in that they do not "hunt" or track pavement irregularities like the Trofeos. They are also run far quieter and are more comfortable. The S-04 sidewalls have more flex than the Trofeos, for sure, and the tires aren't nearly as grippy.
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I just caught back up to this thread. brt3 hit all the points spot on.

1. Readout is perfectly easy to see in any light condition.
2. The tracks I run at can see an ambient swing of 30-40f through the day, for example 55f in the am, 95f in the last session, so I wind up bleeding tire psi throughout the day.
3. Too high psi (approx 36+psi) in the Trofeos will make them greasy and wear out the center in short order. Most psi critical tire I've ever seen in a street tire, but then again it is true race rubber.
4. My TPMS reads .8 psi low vs my Longacre Racing gauge, once I found the differential, that's all I needed to know.
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I just caught back up to this thread. brt3 hit all the points spot on.

1. Readout is perfectly easy to see in any light condition.
2. The tracks I run at can see an ambient swing of 30-40f through the day, for example 55f in the am, 95f in the last session, so I wind up bleeding tire psi throughout the day.
3. Too high psi (approx 36+psi) in the Trofeos will make them greasy and wear out the center in short order. Most psi critical tire I've ever seen in a street tire, but then again it is true race rubber.
4. My TPMS reads .8 psi low vs my Longacre Racing gauge, once I found the differential, that's all I needed to know.
The DIC may not be off as much as you think, I found if on 32lbs and you let air out it will show 32 even at 32.10. Also it takes time for the TPMS to change the DIC.
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I think the S-04s are great street tires, in that they do not "hunt" or track pavement irregularities like the Trofeos. They are also run far quieter and are more comfortable. The S-04 sidewalls have more flex than the Trofeos, for sure, and the tires aren't nearly as grippy.
it is not as fun to drive like the 0s almost make the Z28 feel like my ZL1 as far as cornering. Good thing I have the 0s on the wheels and can change quick.
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it is not as fun to drive like the 0s almost make the Z28 feel like my ZL1 as far as cornering. Good thing I have the 0s on the wheels and can change quick.
I will be installing a set of Yokohama AD08-R tires onto my street wheels, probably by the end of the week. I'll report back here, but am hoping these work better on the street than the Trofeos, while offering a sportier feel than the S-04s. The Yokos are known for having great grip, so I think they are worth a shot...
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I will be installing a set of Yokohama AD08-R tires onto my street wheels, probably by the end of the week. I'll report back here, but am hoping these work better on the street than the Trofeos, while offering a sportier feel than the S-04s. The Yokos are known for having great grip, so I think they are worth a shot...
The S04s just feel like a rear flat tire compared to the Trofenos. The Trofenos are so stiff and fun to drive. The Bridgs are no fun like Trofenos.
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The surface of those tires looks like they were melted then cooled off.
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rain might change one's opinion on "fun" though
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The S04s just feel like a rear flat tire compared to the Trofenos. The Trofenos are so stiff and fun to drive. The Bridgs are no fun like Trofenos.
This is why I'm trying the Yokohamas. I need something more streetable than the Trofeo, but want it to have more performance than the S-04. Yes, I realize the PSS is the reference tire, but I have had a couple of folks advise me that the Yoko may work better on the Z/28. With this car you quickly feel it when the tire is not up to the level of the car...
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Trofeo Rs in the rain are whole different world of fun -- of the merry go-round variety...
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