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Old 06-11-2014, 08:01 PM   #18
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I would like to note that OP is NOT going with PSS'. OP is going with A/S 3s ... an all-season Michelin. An ENTIRELY different (in a not-very-good way) tire than the PSS.
These people don't agree with you.

http://tires.about.com/od/Tire_Revie...port-A-S-3.htm
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Old 06-11-2014, 08:03 PM   #19
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You sure screwed up a good thing with those crap tires. SMH.
Thanks, I am sure you're glad it's mine and not yours.
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Old 06-11-2014, 08:04 PM   #20
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Your not gonna get the Grip from the A/S amd they will NOT be great on the track they might give you a problem going around turns.

who says i am going to track my car? I just like to look at it
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Old 06-11-2014, 09:32 PM   #21
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The A/S 3 is a harder compound tire than the PSS.
A/S3 Treadwear: 500 Traction:AA Temp: A
PSS Treadwear: 300 Traction: AA Temp:A
My experience with harder compound tires is you don't get the same handling, traction and they are noisy.
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Old 06-12-2014, 09:41 AM   #22
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So basically, this thread has become a bunch of people chiming in about how crappy tires are they've never owned or driven on a 1LE and then being insulting about it. That's super helpful.

Rick, the tires will be fine on your car, especially if you're not tracking the car or consistantly trying to pull 1G turns, which I'm guessing you're not.
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Old 06-12-2014, 09:56 AM   #23
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Rick, the tires will be fine on your car, especially if you're not tracking the car or consistantly trying to pull 1G turns, which I'm guessing you're not.
Which begs the question; if not tracking or taking constant advantage of the handling, why buy a 1LE in the first place? It's akin to buying a pickup-truck and never putting anything in the bed, or buying a 15 passenger van for your family of 3.

The 1LE is a relatively uncompromising car. It's stiff, it tramlines, and it's slower in a straight line than a standard SS. If you don't enjoy the single benefit of those compromises, namely the excellent lateral capabilities, I don't understand why one buys the car.
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Old 06-12-2014, 10:01 AM   #24
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Which begs the question; if not tracking or taking constant advantage of the handling, why buy a 1LE in the first place? It's akin to buying a pickup-truck and never putting anything in the bed, or buying a 15 passenger van for your family of 3.

The 1LE is a relatively uncompromising car. It's stiff, it tramlines, and it's slower in a straight line than a standard SS. If you don't enjoy the single benefit of those compromises, namely the excellent lateral capabilities, I don't understand why one buys the car.
Really? Because we don't track the car, we shouldn't buy an exceptional handling car that looks great? Not to mention, IF I do want to track the car, I can. It's not too difficult to change tires. If it's a daily driver, I see no issue with having a set of A/S tires, especially if you're in an area where it rains a lot.

Again, he asked about specific tires and those who own them. Not for an opinion about whether the tires are right or wrong or who should or shouldn't purchase a 1LE.

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Old 06-12-2014, 10:43 AM   #25
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So basically, this thread has become a bunch of people chiming in about how crappy tires are they've never owned or driven on a 1LE and then being insulting about it. That's super helpful.

Rick, the tires will be fine on your car, especially if you're not tracking the car or consistantly trying to pull 1G turns, which I'm guessing you're not.
This. The A/S 3s are doing fine on my car & I won't hesitate to do a track day with them. If I bought the car & I used it exclusively for the track it might be a different story but I like to drive it all year long so they work great. I know I'm not a good enough driver to notice the difference anyways.
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Old 06-12-2014, 10:59 AM   #26
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So basically, this thread has become a bunch of people chiming in about how crappy tires are they've never owned or driven on a 1LE and then being insulting about it. That's super helpful.
I think what people are questioning more is the "need" for all-season ambient temperature performance in Florida. Most performance summer tires are actually quite good in the rain, so it appears that OP is stepping down further than necessary. Edit - for SW31SS in Oklahoma, it's a somewhat different situation.

The few truly street-usable tires that aren't so good in the wet - I'm talking about the ones with really huge tread blocks, minimal rain grooving, and no sipes at all - should be such obvious poor choices for areas where there can be a lot of rain that most people should understand just by looking at them.


I'd understand wanting all-seasons a little better if driving at temperatures near or below 32°F could be commonly expected, or even if a bigger slice of ride comfort was desired. But so far there has been no evidence that either of those items were considerations.


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Old 06-12-2014, 11:04 AM   #27
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Really? Because we don't track the car, we shouldn't buy an exceptional handling car that looks great? Not to mention, IF I do want to track the car, I can. It's not too difficult to change tires. If it's a daily driver, I see no issue with having a set of A/S tires, especially if you're in an area where it rains a lot.

Again, he asked about specific tires and those who own them. Not for an opinion about whether the tires are right or wrong or who should or shouldn't purchase a 1LE.
I didn't say you shouldn't buy the car, I just don't understand the logic. Like I said, it's a relatively uncompromising car. Neutering the grip all-year round is something I'm finding difficult to comprehend. For the record, mine is a daily-driver, and I drove to work today in the rain (and yesterday, and Tuesday, and according to the weather man, tomorrow too).

As far as OP not looking for our opinions, it begs the question, why did he post? Did he expect a bunch of people to respond with "Yes" and "No" and that is all? This is a subforum centered around the 1LE, a highly-focused track package that offers serious performance at a serious price (comfort, not $$). The OP just ordered tires that will effectively deep-six a large part of that performance and he, and you, don't expect opinions?

To throw another analogy at you, that's like going on a MADD forum and asking if anyone else drove home drunk last night.
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Old 06-12-2014, 11:21 AM   #28
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I didn't say you shouldn't buy the car, I just don't understand the logic. Like I said, it's a relatively uncompromising car. Neutering the grip all-year round is something I'm finding difficult to comprehend. For the record, mine is a daily-driver, and I drove to work today in the rain (and yesterday, and Tuesday, and according to the weather man, tomorrow too).

As far as OP not looking for our opinions, it begs the question, why did he post? Did he expect a bunch of people to respond with "Yes" and "No" and that is all? This is a subforum centered around the 1LE, a highly-focused track package that offers serious performance at a serious price (comfort, not $$). The OP just ordered tires that will effectively deep-six a large part of that performance and he, and you, don't expect opinions?

To throw another analogy at you, that's like going on a MADD forum and asking if anyone else drove home drunk last night.
Billy, it just comes down to one thing: "Because I can".

I CAN buy the car I want.
I CAN buy the tires I want.
I CAN post in the forum and talk about what I want.

I appreciate you giving your opinion, there is nothing wrong with that. But you also have to understand other people will disagree with you, which it seems to me it is something hard for you to recognize.

So I am going to say it again why I bought the tires. Longevity, they are guaranteed 45,000 miles and I don't fee like changing tires every 8,000 miles. Why not go with the PSS that can last 30,000 miles? First the $25+tax saving per tire is nice. Second, I don't track my car and as I said it before, I just love to look at it. Now don't lie, I am sure you do that too.

I don't go to the track, I don't race, I don't drive like a maniac on the streets. I just love my car. Is it that hard to understand?

You use your car the way you want, I use mine the way I want. Again, it's my car. Deal?
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Old 06-12-2014, 11:24 AM   #29
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I didn't say you shouldn't buy the car, I just don't understand the logic. Like I said, it's a relatively uncompromising car. Neutering the grip all-year round is something I'm finding difficult to comprehend. For the record, mine is a daily-driver, and I drove to work today in the rain (and yesterday, and Tuesday, and according to the weather man, tomorrow too).
That's the thing. I have had no problems with the grip with the A/S, which is what the OP asked about. Is the grip as good as tires with a stickier compound? Obviously not. However, if he's looking for a tire that is going to last longer because it is a harder compound but still has a good grip, the A/S is probably a better tire. Unless you're going to argue that the A/S will wear as quickly as a softer compound tire. I can't compare as I took my Goodyear off after 3,000 miles with good tread, and have had the A/S for just about 5,000 miles.

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As far as OP not looking for our opinions, it begs the question, why did he post? Did he expect a bunch of people to respond with "Yes" and "No" and that is all? This is a subforum centered around the 1LE, a highly-focused track package that offers serious performance at a serious price (comfort, not $$). The OP just ordered tires that will effectively deep-six a large part of that performance and he, and you, don't expect opinions?

To throw another analogy at you, that's like going on a MADD forum and asking if anyone else drove home drunk last night.
If you look at his 1st post, he asked the opinions of other people with the tire. At least that was how I read it. Maybe I'm wrong.

I guess perhaps I was a little sensitive to the posts not answering his question, but I didn't see the point in some of the posts. Saying he ruined his car? Really, is the car ruined or whatever it was that was said? That's absurd. This AM, someone who just got a 1LE started a thread stating his excitement about getting the car. He also stated that it was his first manual transmission car and people started questioning him getting the car because of that fact. I just didn't see the point in the comments. Why ruin or dampen his enthusiasm? He might be the best damn driver out there who has always owned an auto transmission. He might have owned motorcycles so it will be a piece of cake to learn how to drive a stick shift in a car due to understanding it conceptually. I guess my tolerance for comments that criticize because it's not what people think is "right" when it comes to buying a car or tires or whatever is low these days. I apologize.

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Old 06-12-2014, 11:28 AM   #30
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That's the thing. I have had no problems with the grip with the A/S, which is what the OP asked about.



If you look at his 1st post, he asked the opinions of other people with the tire. At least that was how I read it. Maybe I'm wrong.
That is exactly what I was looking for, of course others can give their opinion too. I have no problem with that. Funny though how so many seem to be expert in what someone else should do.
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So I am going to say it again why I bought the tires. Longevity, they are guaranteed 45,000 miles and I don't fee like changing tires every 8,000 miles. Why not go with the PSS that can last 30,000 miles? First the $25+tax saving per tire is nice. Second, I don't track my car and as I said it before, I just love to look at it. Now don't lie, I am sure you do that too.
In my experience, about once per set of tires I end up being very glad that I choose tires based on grip over promised tread longevity. $25/tire won't even buy the paint work should your tires' grip be ever so slightly not good enough, just that one time.

Such incidents happen in pure street driving at normal speeds in traffic, not when I'm autocrossing, or running on a road course, or just driving a bit harder than normal traffic through a highway ramp.

That said, I put a set of Michelin PS A/S+ tires on my wife's car - a turbocharged 6MT Subaru Legacy - during the cooler months (which up here also means snow). Normally I wouldn't even look at 500 treadwear tires, but I needed to put her on tires better suited to cooler weather and a little snow and the Michelins kept finding their way to the top of everybody's lists. So far, so good.


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I didn't say you shouldn't buy the car, I just don't understand the logic. Like I said, it's a relatively uncompromising car. Neutering the grip all-year round is something I'm finding difficult to comprehend. For the record, mine is a daily-driver, and I drove to work today in the rain (and yesterday, and Tuesday, and according to the weather man, tomorrow too).

As far as OP not looking for our opinions, it begs the question, why did he post? Did he expect a bunch of people to respond with "Yes" and "No" and that is all? This is a subforum centered around the 1LE, a highly-focused track package that offers serious performance at a serious price (comfort, not $$). The OP just ordered tires that will effectively deep-six a large part of that performance and he, and you, don't expect opinions?

To throw another analogy at you, that's like going on a MADD forum and asking if anyone else drove home drunk last night.


That is good stuff!!! People just gave me the stink eye for laughing so loud at work. Can we be friends?
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On this subject of tires, we just ordered new GY's for our car, and the price installed and out the door will be $1100.00. That includes labor, rebuilding the TPMS, and taxes. I did not think that was too bad. This is at a Discount Tire in Jax, FL. The thing I found was there were many places that I called that simply did not offer the GY's. Also, my dealer who had quoted me during the last oil change (about 2 weeks ago) jacked the price up about $70/per tire on this quote.
To the OP, I chose the GY's because I like to play hard with our car, and would hate to have a situation that better traction could have prevented a problem. We also live in SE Georgia, so cold weather is not a big deal, and I have never really had a problem in the rain with the GY tires. Finally, the GY's were the cheapest option I found, by a bunch! You will be fine with your selection....enjoy your car!
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On this subject of tires, we just ordered new GY's for our car, and the price installed and out the door will be $1100.00. That includes labor, rebuilding the TPMS, and taxes. I did not think that was too bad. This is at a Discount Tire in Jax, FL. The thing I found was there were many places that I called that simply did not offer the GY's. Also, my dealer who had quoted me during the last oil change (about 2 weeks ago) jacked the price up about $70/per tire on this quote.
Next time you need tires. Order from the Tire Rack (http://www.tirerack.com). During checkout, they will ask you if you want to ship the tires to your house or to a Tire Rack affiliated installer. There are thousands all over the country. Find one near you (there are 5 or so within 10 miles of me) and have them shipped there. They get shipped in your name and your installer calls you when they arrive, you schedule a time to have them installed, and you're done.

The local installer I use is my local Sears, they charge $11 per wheel to mount and balance the new tires. The prices through Tire Rack more than make up for the Shipping and Mounting/Balancing costs.
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