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Old 06-12-2014, 10:59 AM   #26
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So basically, this thread has become a bunch of people chiming in about how crappy tires are they've never owned or driven on a 1LE and then being insulting about it. That's super helpful.
I think what people are questioning more is the "need" for all-season ambient temperature performance in Florida. Most performance summer tires are actually quite good in the rain, so it appears that OP is stepping down further than necessary. Edit - for SW31SS in Oklahoma, it's a somewhat different situation.

The few truly street-usable tires that aren't so good in the wet - I'm talking about the ones with really huge tread blocks, minimal rain grooving, and no sipes at all - should be such obvious poor choices for areas where there can be a lot of rain that most people should understand just by looking at them.


I'd understand wanting all-seasons a little better if driving at temperatures near or below 32°F could be commonly expected, or even if a bigger slice of ride comfort was desired. But so far there has been no evidence that either of those items were considerations.


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Old 06-12-2014, 11:04 AM   #27
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Really? Because we don't track the car, we shouldn't buy an exceptional handling car that looks great? Not to mention, IF I do want to track the car, I can. It's not too difficult to change tires. If it's a daily driver, I see no issue with having a set of A/S tires, especially if you're in an area where it rains a lot.

Again, he asked about specific tires and those who own them. Not for an opinion about whether the tires are right or wrong or who should or shouldn't purchase a 1LE.
I didn't say you shouldn't buy the car, I just don't understand the logic. Like I said, it's a relatively uncompromising car. Neutering the grip all-year round is something I'm finding difficult to comprehend. For the record, mine is a daily-driver, and I drove to work today in the rain (and yesterday, and Tuesday, and according to the weather man, tomorrow too).

As far as OP not looking for our opinions, it begs the question, why did he post? Did he expect a bunch of people to respond with "Yes" and "No" and that is all? This is a subforum centered around the 1LE, a highly-focused track package that offers serious performance at a serious price (comfort, not $$). The OP just ordered tires that will effectively deep-six a large part of that performance and he, and you, don't expect opinions?

To throw another analogy at you, that's like going on a MADD forum and asking if anyone else drove home drunk last night.
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Old 06-12-2014, 11:21 AM   #28
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I didn't say you shouldn't buy the car, I just don't understand the logic. Like I said, it's a relatively uncompromising car. Neutering the grip all-year round is something I'm finding difficult to comprehend. For the record, mine is a daily-driver, and I drove to work today in the rain (and yesterday, and Tuesday, and according to the weather man, tomorrow too).

As far as OP not looking for our opinions, it begs the question, why did he post? Did he expect a bunch of people to respond with "Yes" and "No" and that is all? This is a subforum centered around the 1LE, a highly-focused track package that offers serious performance at a serious price (comfort, not $$). The OP just ordered tires that will effectively deep-six a large part of that performance and he, and you, don't expect opinions?

To throw another analogy at you, that's like going on a MADD forum and asking if anyone else drove home drunk last night.
Billy, it just comes down to one thing: "Because I can".

I CAN buy the car I want.
I CAN buy the tires I want.
I CAN post in the forum and talk about what I want.

I appreciate you giving your opinion, there is nothing wrong with that. But you also have to understand other people will disagree with you, which it seems to me it is something hard for you to recognize.

So I am going to say it again why I bought the tires. Longevity, they are guaranteed 45,000 miles and I don't fee like changing tires every 8,000 miles. Why not go with the PSS that can last 30,000 miles? First the $25+tax saving per tire is nice. Second, I don't track my car and as I said it before, I just love to look at it. Now don't lie, I am sure you do that too.

I don't go to the track, I don't race, I don't drive like a maniac on the streets. I just love my car. Is it that hard to understand?

You use your car the way you want, I use mine the way I want. Again, it's my car. Deal?
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Old 06-12-2014, 11:24 AM   #29
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I didn't say you shouldn't buy the car, I just don't understand the logic. Like I said, it's a relatively uncompromising car. Neutering the grip all-year round is something I'm finding difficult to comprehend. For the record, mine is a daily-driver, and I drove to work today in the rain (and yesterday, and Tuesday, and according to the weather man, tomorrow too).
That's the thing. I have had no problems with the grip with the A/S, which is what the OP asked about. Is the grip as good as tires with a stickier compound? Obviously not. However, if he's looking for a tire that is going to last longer because it is a harder compound but still has a good grip, the A/S is probably a better tire. Unless you're going to argue that the A/S will wear as quickly as a softer compound tire. I can't compare as I took my Goodyear off after 3,000 miles with good tread, and have had the A/S for just about 5,000 miles.

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As far as OP not looking for our opinions, it begs the question, why did he post? Did he expect a bunch of people to respond with "Yes" and "No" and that is all? This is a subforum centered around the 1LE, a highly-focused track package that offers serious performance at a serious price (comfort, not $$). The OP just ordered tires that will effectively deep-six a large part of that performance and he, and you, don't expect opinions?

To throw another analogy at you, that's like going on a MADD forum and asking if anyone else drove home drunk last night.
If you look at his 1st post, he asked the opinions of other people with the tire. At least that was how I read it. Maybe I'm wrong.

I guess perhaps I was a little sensitive to the posts not answering his question, but I didn't see the point in some of the posts. Saying he ruined his car? Really, is the car ruined or whatever it was that was said? That's absurd. This AM, someone who just got a 1LE started a thread stating his excitement about getting the car. He also stated that it was his first manual transmission car and people started questioning him getting the car because of that fact. I just didn't see the point in the comments. Why ruin or dampen his enthusiasm? He might be the best damn driver out there who has always owned an auto transmission. He might have owned motorcycles so it will be a piece of cake to learn how to drive a stick shift in a car due to understanding it conceptually. I guess my tolerance for comments that criticize because it's not what people think is "right" when it comes to buying a car or tires or whatever is low these days. I apologize.

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Old 06-12-2014, 11:28 AM   #30
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That's the thing. I have had no problems with the grip with the A/S, which is what the OP asked about.



If you look at his 1st post, he asked the opinions of other people with the tire. At least that was how I read it. Maybe I'm wrong.
That is exactly what I was looking for, of course others can give their opinion too. I have no problem with that. Funny though how so many seem to be expert in what someone else should do.
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Old 06-12-2014, 12:00 PM   #31
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So I am going to say it again why I bought the tires. Longevity, they are guaranteed 45,000 miles and I don't fee like changing tires every 8,000 miles. Why not go with the PSS that can last 30,000 miles? First the $25+tax saving per tire is nice. Second, I don't track my car and as I said it before, I just love to look at it. Now don't lie, I am sure you do that too.
In my experience, about once per set of tires I end up being very glad that I choose tires based on grip over promised tread longevity. $25/tire won't even buy the paint work should your tires' grip be ever so slightly not good enough, just that one time.

Such incidents happen in pure street driving at normal speeds in traffic, not when I'm autocrossing, or running on a road course, or just driving a bit harder than normal traffic through a highway ramp.

That said, I put a set of Michelin PS A/S+ tires on my wife's car - a turbocharged 6MT Subaru Legacy - during the cooler months (which up here also means snow). Normally I wouldn't even look at 500 treadwear tires, but I needed to put her on tires better suited to cooler weather and a little snow and the Michelins kept finding their way to the top of everybody's lists. So far, so good.


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Old 06-12-2014, 12:07 PM   #32
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I didn't say you shouldn't buy the car, I just don't understand the logic. Like I said, it's a relatively uncompromising car. Neutering the grip all-year round is something I'm finding difficult to comprehend. For the record, mine is a daily-driver, and I drove to work today in the rain (and yesterday, and Tuesday, and according to the weather man, tomorrow too).

As far as OP not looking for our opinions, it begs the question, why did he post? Did he expect a bunch of people to respond with "Yes" and "No" and that is all? This is a subforum centered around the 1LE, a highly-focused track package that offers serious performance at a serious price (comfort, not $$). The OP just ordered tires that will effectively deep-six a large part of that performance and he, and you, don't expect opinions?

To throw another analogy at you, that's like going on a MADD forum and asking if anyone else drove home drunk last night.


That is good stuff!!! People just gave me the stink eye for laughing so loud at work. Can we be friends?
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Old 06-12-2014, 01:54 PM   #33
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On this subject of tires, we just ordered new GY's for our car, and the price installed and out the door will be $1100.00. That includes labor, rebuilding the TPMS, and taxes. I did not think that was too bad. This is at a Discount Tire in Jax, FL. The thing I found was there were many places that I called that simply did not offer the GY's. Also, my dealer who had quoted me during the last oil change (about 2 weeks ago) jacked the price up about $70/per tire on this quote.
To the OP, I chose the GY's because I like to play hard with our car, and would hate to have a situation that better traction could have prevented a problem. We also live in SE Georgia, so cold weather is not a big deal, and I have never really had a problem in the rain with the GY tires. Finally, the GY's were the cheapest option I found, by a bunch! You will be fine with your selection....enjoy your car!
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Old 06-12-2014, 02:37 PM   #34
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On this subject of tires, we just ordered new GY's for our car, and the price installed and out the door will be $1100.00. That includes labor, rebuilding the TPMS, and taxes. I did not think that was too bad. This is at a Discount Tire in Jax, FL. The thing I found was there were many places that I called that simply did not offer the GY's. Also, my dealer who had quoted me during the last oil change (about 2 weeks ago) jacked the price up about $70/per tire on this quote.
Next time you need tires. Order from the Tire Rack (http://www.tirerack.com). During checkout, they will ask you if you want to ship the tires to your house or to a Tire Rack affiliated installer. There are thousands all over the country. Find one near you (there are 5 or so within 10 miles of me) and have them shipped there. They get shipped in your name and your installer calls you when they arrive, you schedule a time to have them installed, and you're done.

The local installer I use is my local Sears, they charge $11 per wheel to mount and balance the new tires. The prices through Tire Rack more than make up for the Shipping and Mounting/Balancing costs.
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Old 06-14-2014, 03:09 PM   #36
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Ill add my .02 about getting A/S for a 1LE;

Ok lets think about how many Porsche/Ferrari/Lambo owners who track their car!? Ill bet its very very few!!! Do they enjoy the look, handling, sound and braking of their car? I bet they do!!

Same logic goes with the 1LE; yes A/S tires will reduce grip, but most of the time, on thr streets, you wont push the car to its limit anyway. You will still enjoy thr car in every way, no matter what tires you are running (excluding some really crappy tires).

I just ordered the GY but Im getting remorse now; I think its better to have real street tires, like Michelin PSS than GY when tracking once or twice a year. My next tires will be PSS. I do not have experience with those A/S and most plp dont, so OP, let us know what you think about it!

FYI , I got a screw in a rear tire after 2k miles and had it patched since and no problem after 5kmiles and many burnout.
Ill add that I hate GY during fall and spring because Im up north. My best choice would be PSS without tracking the car no more than twice a year.

Discount tire direct is a great site too OP.
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Old 06-14-2014, 03:16 PM   #37
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I might have a set of Goodyears off of my 1LE for sale if the someone doesnt buy them this weekend. Only 200 miles on them!! I bought Michelin PSS and love the new ones...wont go back to the goodyears.
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guys I found a place online with some great price for tires and free shipping

Use discount code:pops40 for a $40. discount

http://www.tirebuyer.com/
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Old 06-14-2014, 08:12 PM   #39
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guys I found a place online with some great price for tires and free shipping

Use discount code:pops40 for a $40. discount

http://www.tirebuyer.com/
That is where I got mine from. I actually got $50 off plus the $70 from Michelin.
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Got any pics on what they look like on your car?
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I might have a set of Goodyears off of my 1LE for sale if the someone doesnt buy them this weekend. Only 200 miles on them!! I bought Michelin PSS and love the new ones...wont go back to the goodyears.
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That is where I got mine from. I actually got $50 off plus the $70 from Michelin.
Good find!! now I know where to order my tires
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Old 06-15-2014, 08:49 AM   #42
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Tirebuyer is certainly another good option (and I ought to add it as another tire-related "favorite"), but you still need to do a little comparison shopping. As of this moment, they're listing the Michelin PSS tires in the size I just bought (285/35-18, Tire Rack) at $1/tire less (not counting Michelin's current $70 offer). Any real savings would have come down to differences in shipping costs, which could go either way.


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Old 08-09-2014, 12:22 AM   #43
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Alright, I wanted to give an update after having installed my Michelin pilot A/S3 and using them for a few weeks now. Just to be clear this is my opinion and not intended in anyway to contradict anyone else's opinion.

At first I had my doubts when reading all the comments about how silly it was to go that route because the 1LE "needs" to have more sporty tires such as the PSS or the Eagle F1. Well, sorry to say but I don't see any difference from the Goodyear. Of course i don't have track tested them but for a daily driver, these tires are no different from the Eagle F1. I actually like them better. They are less noisy and they stick to the road very well. I even noticed a little bit of over steer in sharp turns, which was weird. My confidence level in the rain has also gone up and I don't get the casual slip of the rear tires when starting at a red light when wet. No need to say that the heavy rains we have had in Florida this summer were a bit scary.

Overall, the tires give a good dose of confidence to the driver regardless of the conditions. I am sure they would not match the PSS at the track or even the Goodyear but so far they are good enough for me and they do not take much from the car sporty behavior in town.
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with buying tires to suit one's needs. You can still drive spiritedly on all-seasons and less white-knuckled when things get wet.
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The Op was just asking for feedback on his tire selection, not what he should be doing or not doing with his car.. And if some of you took the time to do some research before opening your mouth, you wouldn't look like idiots. Your tire selection is fine Rick,,,
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I have them too, Rick. They are MUCH better in the rain than the GYs. They also are supposed to last much longer. I use these as my street tires. I have a second set of wheels for my track tires. I'll buy another set of these when they wear out....
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Thanks for the thread Rick, My wife bought our 1LE because it was "cute." it is a DD at 100 miles a day from Wasilla to Anchorage five days a week and to the grocery store on the weekend. So that should raise a few hairs but I couldn't care less. I just ordered a set of A/S 3 and will put them on 20x10 23mm off set so I can rotate the tires and I will drive it in the snow and rain and sun and in four or five years when all the garage queens have a few thousand miles on them, ours will be pushing 100k plus and I will enjoy every mile.
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Thanks for the thread Rick, My wife bought our 1LE because it was "cute." it is a DD at 100 miles a day from Wasilla to Anchorage five days a week and to the grocery store on the weekend. So that should raise a few hairs but I couldn't care less. I just ordered a set of A/S 3 and will put them on 20x10 23mm off set so I can rotate the tires and I will drive it in the snow and rain and sun and in four or five years when all the garage queens have a few thousand miles on them, ours will be pushing 100k plus and I will enjoy every mile.
right on man, enjoy the hell out out of your car anyway you choose, that's the bottom line. And glad we have these discussions cause it opens my eyes to help me make that tire decision when the day comes.
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I have Michelin A/S 3 but I do live in KC where the winters get pretty harsh and it's my DD so I need the traction of all season tires

So everyone focused on tires. I cringed at the 1LE in the snow! Ouch.......

Get any tires you want. Everyone has an opinion, listen to them all, then form your own. I like the Goodyear's. I Autocross them and when they get warm they STICK.
That said, I live in California, we don't have cold weather here, and when (if) it rains, the 1LE stays in the garage. I hate cleaning the undercarriage from wet roads. No, it is not a daily driver. It's a weekend rocketship!!
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tires do make a difference

My lotus exige came with purpose built tires like the 1LE does, for a reason, to handle the absolute best. I can speak from experience on several other cars but cannot (yet) on the 1LE, that buying a "different" tire WILL change the cars handling. I gained a much better ride in the wet and softer ride on the street, but lost all kinds of grip for stopping and in any turns. it was a dramatic change and it was a negative change. several folks selling used 1LE's have swapped out the GY's at 1000 miles and put on the Michelins and love them. they are just driving on the street. They say the Michelin do not throw rocks like the gy's, which tells me they are gonna be way less sticky.

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