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Old 06-26-2014, 03:59 PM   #51
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Have you look at the AEM meth controller it allow you to spray a small amount and then open fully. I know my setup is different but mine start to spray at 3psi and then goes full at 7psi.


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The stage 2 controller is a progressive controller, I have it starting at 3 psi and full by 15 (which I don't reach). For some reason my AFR spikes suddenly at 5000 RPM's, that is why I need a staged controller. I haven't asked Arno if he would tune this setup since it is out of IPF specs. Tuning for meth is hard, too little causes detonation, too much slows you down.

Found out that the next smallest belt is K061049, 105 1/2" long. Should be good if you throw a 3.125" pulley, make 16 psi of boost. Might also take apart your engine without removing any bolts.
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Old 06-26-2014, 04:08 PM   #52
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On the stage 2 controller can you lower the full setting from 15 To full at 6? Not to familiar with snow kit.

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Old 06-26-2014, 04:23 PM   #53
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On the stage 2 controller can you lower the full setting from 15 To full at 6? Not to familiar with snow kit.

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I can, but I would have to go to a smaller nozzle, but I need a bigger nozzle so the droplet size survives long enough to reach the chamber to act as anti-detonation. When I had a smaller nozzle I did full spray at 5 psi but was still getting 1.5 knock. Switching to a larger nozzle removed all knock but hurts at lower RPM's. If I start too late I will get the knocking.

I might try a different nozzle configuration to where I can do full pressure before max boost without hurting lower RPM's. Will probably involve the larger nozzle in front of the throttle body with the smaller one further upstream to lower intake temps.

This would be easier if I could set the fuel maps myself, but stuck with what I have.
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Old 06-26-2014, 04:36 PM   #54
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Thanks now I understand your dilemma.

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Old 06-26-2014, 04:45 PM   #55
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No problem, engine is a pain. If you go too large the meth will actually collect at the back of the intake manifold and cause misfiring. Would be awesome to do direct meth injection, but you lose the IAT cooling which gains timing.
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Old 06-27-2014, 01:13 PM   #56
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Got my GoPro cameras (have 2 now, 3 silver and 3+ Black) ready, helmet and fire jacket are also ready.

Went through Gretchen's build thread to where he blew his engine, looks like he was running 20 psi, so I should be safe.
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Old 06-27-2014, 01:52 PM   #58
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Going to Thunder Valley tonight, see how she does. Previous best was 13.341 @ 106. Best trap was 13.4 @ 108.
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Old 06-27-2014, 05:51 PM   #59
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Getting ready to leave but it might not go as well as I hoped. On the way home from work I was only getting 10 PSI, don't know if it is because of the heat and low humidity or if a worm gear clamp worked itself loose. I tightened up all the clamps, so I will find out soon.
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Old 06-27-2014, 07:57 PM   #60
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Way too much meth, 3rd gear was misfiring till the 5000 RPM's when the AFR leans out. Also my IAT was 118 at the line, my 2nd gear it was 78 degrees but the damage had been done with the knock retard. Going to a smaller nozzle, have to wait 30 mins.

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Old 06-27-2014, 09:03 PM   #61
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Keep lowering the meth and gaining trap speed.

13.586 @ 108.27
13.670 @ 107.91

Still running too rich in 3rd, swapped some nozzles around and will try again.
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Old 06-27-2014, 09:33 PM   #62
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Your trap speeds are excellent...basically as fast as some of the best stock SS Camaros on the fast list, but your times aren't adding up.

What are your 60's looking like?

Too bad your having the issues in 3rd gear...that's a bummer! Always something!

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Only getting 9 psi of boost now, something worked itself loose in the heat. Will have to check the intake manifold. I did beat a Mustang 5.0 though head to head.
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Old 06-28-2014, 12:56 PM   #64
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The worm clamp on the outlet of the intercooler had backed off a little, should have known something was wrong since if you let off the throttle near max boost it will cause a nice pressure spike in those pipes. I had backed off the meth as far as I could and was running below 12 AFR, at no boost leaks it should have been near 13.

Will work on fixing that boost pipe this weekend. Did managed to get up to 108.89 even leaking air.
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If you can get this setup running well I can see you trapping in the 110 range, but what we really want to see is high 12s!
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Track is open today for Test and Tune, going to check my car to see if I have full boost and if I do, will be going back.

Here is my best run from Friday, I'm #546. This was my race against a 2013+ Mustang 5.0, so you can see how my car stacks up against the competition.
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Old 06-29-2014, 10:07 AM   #67
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Got my GoPro cameras (have 2 now, 3 silver and 3+ Black) ready, helmet and fire jacket are also ready.

Went through Gretchen's build thread to where he blew his engine, looks like he was running 20 psi, so I should be safe.
You can in all reality push higher than 20psi since it would take a SC more boost to equal the same numbers of his kit.

I haven't read this whole thread but what meth mixture are you using? A tune for just meth would do you some good if you can get one in the future. I have a tune set aside just for meth usage with the large nozzle and 100% meth and Vince bitch-ass actually nailed it after 2 tries. Hopfully IPF could help you out or when HPT finally comes around. I see easy mid 12's from your car.
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You can in all reality push higher than 20psi since it would take a SC more boost to equal the same numbers of his kit.

I haven't read this whole thread but what meth mixture are you using? A tune for just meth would do you some good if you can get one in the future. I have a tune set aside just for meth usage with the large nozzle and 100% meth and Vince bitch-ass actually nailed it after 2 tries. Hopfully IPF could help you out or when HPT finally comes around. I see easy mid 12's from your car.
51/49 water/meth mixture from snow performance called boost juice. My wife is a biotechnology technician and took several years of chemistry, she will not allow 100% methanol in the house or garage. I don't blame her either since I don't want it anywhere near our dogs. When I refill my tank I wear a respirator, gloves, and use a transfer pump that gets washed out for 10 minutes after usage.

It may sound paranoid but I worked around a lot of dangerous chemicals in the Air Force, I actually suffer random blindness in my left eye from it. I don't want to take any chances and go completely blind.

For the boost levels, I've been thinking of going higher but I want gears first. That will build boost faster, helping me more, then I can maybe do 15 psi. I may ask if I could pay an extra $100 and get a custom meth tune from Arno since money talks more than begging.
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51/49 water/meth mixture from snow performance called boost juice. My wife is a biotechnology technician and took several years of chemistry, she will not allow 100% methanol in the house or garage. I don't blame her either since I don't want it anywhere near our dogs. When I refill my tank I wear a respirator, gloves, and use a transfer pump that gets washed out for 10 minutes after usage.

It may sound paranoid but I worked around a lot of dangerous chemicals in the Air Force, I actually suffer random blindness in my left eye from it. I don't want to take any chances and go completely blind.

For the boost levels, I've been thinking of going higher but I want gears first. That will build boost faster, helping me more, then I can maybe do 15 psi. I may ask if I could pay an extra $100 and get a custom meth tune from Arno since money talks more than begging.
Understood with the dealing of meth. I also dealt with my share of nasty chems in the Army. That's why I let the speed shop handle it lol. I haven't filled my tank in almost a year and the last of it that I had evaporated. But push for the tune if you can, it makes a world of a difference compared to injecting it on a normal FI tune.

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Old 06-30-2014, 01:20 PM   #70
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Yesterday at the track didn't go to well, was extremely hot and I still have a leak. I think it is in the intake manifold or the intercooler is heatsoaked, causing a pressure loss. On my last run the pipe on my intercooler outlet blew off, had to coast to the exit by the EMT's. One of the EMT's was a hot chick not wearing her shirt but just a sports bra. She loved the color of my car and took pictures if it, I let her sit in it and start the engine back up after it flooded. Was a crap day for speed but ended with me at least seeing some skin.

I did practice my launching though, car was bogging down badly but I got consistent 2.1 60'. The sport comp 2's hook pretty good. Going to work on the intake manifold and might put my spacers back on, gotten my best track times with them.
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The weather got cooler and more humid today and now I'm back to 11 psi of boost, so heat affects our superchargers. Yesterday I ordered a boost leak tester that can go up to 30 psi, safe injection module for my meth kit that will monitor the flow, a bypass solenoid that will open up my bypass valve if the meth stops flowing enough. I am going back and forth right now between getting the 3.91 gears done first, or doing a 3.33" pulley. Gears would help the low end a lot more, the car is bogging down at the line. Think they would be more fun also.

Decided to plug some numbers in and didn't realize how bad the DA was on Friday.

3.80" Quickest Run (Lowest ET):
13.341 @ 106.59
DA: 949
Stock and Mildly Modified Naturally Aspirated Engines : 13.216 @ 107.59 MPH
Extensively Modified Naturally Aspirated Engines : 13.306 @ 107.021 MPH
Extensively Modified Supercharged and Turbocharged Engines : 13.317 @ 106.792 MPH

3.80" Fastest Run (Highest Trap):
13.410 @ 108.08
DA: 675
Stock and Mildly Modified Naturally Aspirated Engines : 13.333 @ 108.68 MPH
Extensively Modified Naturally Aspirated Engines : 13.415 @ 108.191 MPH
Extensively Modified Supercharged and Turbocharged Engines : 13.408 @ 108.107 MPH

3.48" Best Run (Lowest ET and Highest Trap):
13.375 @ 108.82
DA: 3307
Stock and Mildly Modified Naturally Aspirated Engines : 12.84 @ 113.434 MPH
Extensively Modified Naturally Aspirated Engines : 12.993 @ 112.082 MPH
Extensively Modified Supercharged and Turbocharged Engines : 13.162 @ 110.566 MPH

Don't know if my car counts as extensively modified since I don't have any internals done.
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Old 07-03-2014, 12:09 PM   #73
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Anybody know how invasive Stabilitrak is? I turned it off today for the first time in 46,000 miles and the rear end was everywhere. Flooring it in first with warm temps was worthless, the car would slide everywhere and the engine would bounce off the rev limiter. It was fun, but I'm wondering how much it is holding my car back at the track.
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Old 07-03-2014, 12:20 PM   #74
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Hard to say. Stabilitrak seems to magically keep the car straight. Traction control is the big killer so I would guess as long as you have that off you're fine.
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My theory is with you not having a limited slip diff (yet), Stabiltrak is mandatory.

I also know clutch manufacturers say traction control is a bad thing because the ECM may go so far as to apply the brakes during hard acceleration which can put some serious stress on the clutch in a manual trans.

I still haven't made any passes at the track, but if I'm involved in any serious "play"- it's always Stabiltrak on and TC off. So far without adverse effect.
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