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Old 06-30-2014, 03:31 PM   #1
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'14 Z28 gets waxed by 200hp Subaru BRZ

I have to pass this on to you. My main sales guy sends me this e-mail this morning after hearing me rattle on for months about the ZL1 (that's what I bought 3 months ago) and then the new Z28 and it's "Ring" times and so on...



He simply said, " the driver is more important than the car".

This Subaru guy is a friend of my guy's friend and was at the track that day. He told my guy that the Subaru guy attended this school...

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Look at some of the other cars on the list. One is another Camaro he beat by over 10 seconds!
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Old 06-30-2014, 03:41 PM   #2
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I think I'd be more concerned if I was sponsored by an engine builder, and I was only 2 seconds faster than a '07 Miata.
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Old 06-30-2014, 03:43 PM   #3
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I think I'd be more concerned if I was sponsored by an engine builder, and I was only 2 seconds faster than a '07 Miata.
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BRZ is also a 1000 lbs lighter isn't it? Pretty different cars I think.
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Old 06-30-2014, 03:50 PM   #5
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Yep and I got waxed by a bunch of s2000's in an autox...so what? I'll do better next time and still be waxed...its all fun.
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Old 06-30-2014, 04:03 PM   #6
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I wouldn't worry about Man. With all the well deserved track hype of this Ride there is going to be a lot undeserved pressure on all z/28 owners that track their cars to do well.

Probably more then ever recorded by a Camaro in decades. Enjoy your BADASS Ride Man!
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I don't think the BRZ driver needs a cheerleader. He appears to do that quite well himself:

http://www.bradyhalbasch.com/

There are lots of excellent drivers looking a ride. Only a few make it to the big show.

But I'm not sure complaining about the lack of funding for racing is the right path to take:

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18 titles and over 300 awards later, Brady was one of the brightest young upcoming drivers in America seeking open wheel opportunities at the age of 21. In 2008 everything he worked for began to fall apart with the economic recession. Sadly, the motorsport industry transitioned from a profession requiring skill and marketability into a hobby for wealthy individuals. This was due to the lack of corporate funding. The price of racing increased and the financial resources were scarce.

After knocking on hundreds of doors seeking a driving opportunity, facing rejection day-after-day, it was mentally wearing on a 23 year old protégé. Some of the best athletes in the world never get an opportunity due to poor timing or circumstances out their control. Unemployment, rejection, family financial crises, passing of family members, and people entering his life only take from him; it was safe to say Brady found himself quickly. Hitting rock bottom, Brady decided that it was time for change.

$450 bought a business license, self-improvement books, and a computer to start a company called West Coast Engines. It was Brady’s way of helping others and potentially breaking through a financial barrier that inhibited him from driving. Currently at age 26, Brady is taking the engine aftermarket industry by storm. His vision is to grow West Coast Engines into the biggest online based performance engine retailer in America and connect with resources along the way to get him back into a racing opportunity.
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Old 06-30-2014, 04:53 PM   #8
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...BRZs are pretty sweet.....In fact all Subarus are good cars....My kid has a '14 WRX...(hasn't tracked it yet)....A buddy of mine has one also, and he beats 90% of us Camaros at auto-x....

....They always put up a good showing at big tracks as well....(which is always a mixed bag of results)......
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Old 06-30-2014, 05:03 PM   #9
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I don't think the BRZ driver needs a cheerleader. He appears to do that quite well himself:

http://www.bradyhalbasch.com/

There are lots of excellent drivers looking a ride. Only a few make it to the big show.

But I'm not sure complaining about the lack of funding for racing is the right path to take:
Wow. Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. If the quoted text is intended to help get him sponsorship, good luck. If it's intended to attract business, good luck. I don't know the guy, but it's hard to read that and not think he's more than a little bitter...
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Old 06-30-2014, 05:14 PM   #10
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I have to pass this on to you. My main sales guy sends me this e-mail this morning after hearing me rattle on for months about the ZL1 (that's what I bought 3 months ago) and then the new Z28 and it's "Ring" times and so on...

He simply said, " the driver is more important than the car".!
The single biggest improvement in lap times is always had by working on the nut behind the wheel. I think Pete did a pretty good job in the Z/28, given that the car's probably just now getting broken in. I know I'm still getting up to speed in mine, as it's drastically different than what I drove before. I sure hope nobody looks at my lap times and judges either me or the car based on those times!
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Wow. Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. If the quoted text is intended to help get him sponsorship, good luck. If it's intended to attract business, good luck. I don't know the guy, but it's hard to read that and not think he's more than a little bitter...
He needs to really work on the resume sheet. It has to have specific examples of media coverage. If nobody can see you, nobody will sponsor you.

I'm a bit puzzled why he's not on staff as an instructor at one of the tracks. That gives you free seat-time and contacts. Way better than buying your own tires.
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Old 06-30-2014, 05:41 PM   #12
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Lol...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=365973

"PS- The car does not like bumpy tracks, far too stiffly sprung. Can't keep it hooked up and it's punishing to the driver and the car. Sebring for example will not be a good track or lap time for a Z/28. Unfortunately my home track is now a disaster and no longer usable until they repave the damn thing. Smooth tracks it's a joy. An observation, not a complaint, ideally you tune a car to a specific track, bumpy tracks need softer springs and softer compression on the dampers to keep the tires hooked up."

Looks like someone was in such a hurry to post a "kill" story they didn't bother to do any homework. BTW- Where is the Club Trials Quali sheet photo? Will you post that

I've been faster by more than 7 seconds (1:53.5) on the H config driving other cars (street legal cars on street tires) in previous years. Your sales guy is correct the driver is more important than the car. As evidenced by my ability to post faster times than Ferraris and GT-R's (in CT) and generally the race-prep machinery (in TT) that has showed up to events in past years.

Brady is a great driver, I right-seated his original check-out and track orientation laps a couple years ago at that track and it was obvious he was quite talented. Don't take that quote above the wrong way, he is a positive, good natured guy and is pulling himself up by his bootstraps, as a fellow entrepreneur I respect and applaud that. This weekend, we spent an hour or so chatting in my friends trailer, I hope he attains his goals because we'll be watching him on TV

Was your "Sales Guy" at the track Saturday Bigdog? Was he driving? Because the fact is that track, as I noted above, has a surface that is now for many cars, undrivable. Bumpy, and the surface is lunar-like, my goal was to survive the event without breaking the car. The "line" was where it was the least bumpy, not where I wanted to place the car. I was sliding around with no grip on that stuff.

The pics are from two years ago, it's far worse now. You take a softly sprung 2800lb car with a great driver and run it on a bumpy as hell track against a 3700lbs car which is very stiffly sprung, the outcome is pre-ordained.

Some folks might want to relax and take a chill pill before assuming things.
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Old 06-30-2014, 05:52 PM   #13
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PS- I don't recall ever seeing a ZL1 at this track this year?

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PSS- your salesman's friend of a friend who knows somebody didn't bother to mention the "Subaru Guy" (Brady) was out of brakes after two laps in every session? Might have contributed to those lap times

The lap time comment was a joke of course but while he was "waxing" me he was also trying not to die. Guess things like that don't matter to those who choose yakking vs tracking

Yes, my brakes were fine, thanks for asking

I have to poke you with the sharp stick since you started this thread
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So, Z-man....Bummer if that was your "home-track" and you're not happy with the pavement....Now what?...lol....

BTW, in days gone by I have heard that the inability to make adjustments on the suspension may be a negative on the car....just wondering....Good luck....
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Seems like a driver mod is required in this scenario.
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So, Z-man....Bummer if that was your "home-track" and you're not happy with the pavement....Now what?...lol....

BTW, in days gone by I have heard that the inability to make adjustments on the suspension may be a negative on the car....just wondering....Good luck....
Thunderhill and Sear Point is all I have. Miller if I feel like going East but there is no elevation change there, I hate flat tracks. Spring Mountain is a painful 7 hours south, and I'm burned out on that drive

I'm screwed and I'm really unhappy. But there is nothing I can do about it, though I've tried for years as an advocate and ambassador for the local track. It's currently leased by someone who just doesn't give a crap about it, and it's owned by a private equity group who got saddled with it in 2007. It's an asset they simply plan to milk until it literally crumbles to pieces (happening now).

The B and C configs are (were) the most technically challenging of any track in the USA (I'd argue). Ex F1 driver Brain Redman consulted on the design of the top half which is now not used due to condition.

I've bitched about the track surface for years, but now the bumps are far worse than they have ever been. Think frost heaves, or whoop de doos...lol. Others bailed on the track years ago, but now even I have to finally say hasta la vista MF's!

Suspension adjustment is well understood by few people, Chevy did the best thing by tuning it to smooth tracks. It was awesome on smooth Thunderhill, very confidence inspiring. Bumpy track, it feels like you are going to break something, put a strut through a shock tower, whatever.
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I went to Spring Mountain for the first time a little while ago....I think they have added a lot of new track fairly recently....Might be worth another look....
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Big deal. F1 teams spend 2 million to build the car and 300 million in yearly R and D. Guess what? They lose every 2 weeks. So it's ok to lose out here.
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...I've bitched about the track surface for years, but now the bumps are far worse than they have ever been. Think frost heaves, or whoop de doos...lol. Others bailed on the track years ago, but now even I have to finally say hasta la vista MF's!

Suspension adjustment is well understood by few people, Chevy did the best thing by tuning it to smooth tracks. It was awesome on smooth Thunderhill, very confidence inspiring. Bumpy track, it feels like you are going to break something, put a strut through a shock tower, whatever.
Wow, that's terrible; can't believe someone would flush a great track down the drain like that! A lot of folks who ask me about ride quality think I'm exaggerating when I talk about how, on some of the Third World-quality CA roads, I feel like I need a kidney belt. The suspension is brilliant, but is calibrated for what most track surfaces are like. It is brutal on anything less, and will rearrange your internal organs...
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There is a big difference between someone running flat out, and preseving your car so you can drive it home. That track surface is hammered, I would have just left after I saw the surface. In any case these kind of events are just normal guys running their cars for fun. Each has a comfort level of how hard they want to push it. I have been to the track and ran faster than many cars that should have smoked me. Did I wax them, no I had less to risk and more comfortable threshold.

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Dude I smoked a new Corvette in my 4 cylinder S10 with a K&N.

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Wow, that's terrible; can't believe someone would flush a great track down the drain like that! A lot of folks who ask me about ride quality think I'm exaggerating when I talk about how, on some of the Third World-quality CA roads, I feel like I need a kidney belt. The suspension is brilliant, but is calibrated for what most track surfaces are like. It is brutal on anything less, and will rearrange your internal organs...
I have always been dumbfounded by the willingness to let it die a death of neglect but so it is. For all the money and tracking enthusiasts in the Western states it's a shame we have no new(ish) decent tracks other than Spring Mountain and Thermal, and it's miserable to be at those in the summer. Thankfully TH is now three tracks- East, West and the Five Mile whole shebang.

Stiff suspension = bad for rough pavement (and kidneys! lol)
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I don't know if to believe those times. They can't even spell a Camaro. How could they operate a timing system.
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There is a big difference between someone running flat out, and preseving your car so you can drive it home. That track surface is hammered, I would have just left after I saw the surface. In any case these kind of events are just normal guys running their cars for fun. Each has a comfort level of how hard they want to push it. I have been to the track and ran faster than many cars that should have smoked me. Did I wax them, no I had less to risk and more comfortable threshold.

This thread reads like.....
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I have to pass this on to you. My main sales guy sends me this e-mail this morning after hearing me rattle on for months about the ZL1 (that's what I bought 3 months ago) and then the new Z28 and it's "Ring" times and so on...



He simply said, " the driver is more important than the car".

This Subaru guy is a friend of my guy's friend and was at the track that day. He told my guy that the Subaru guy attended this school...

http://skipbarber.com/indycar-academy/

Look at some of the other cars on the list. One is another Camaro he beat by over 10 seconds!
YES, by far its the driver that counts also. When I track my car I have never been on a track, I am sure I will get passed, as long as I do not bend the $75k car. Give me some one else Z that does not care and I am sure I will do better.
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