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Old 04-08-2008, 09:28 AM   #1
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Question new CTS-V engine likely in Camaro?

So after reading in the proving grounds tour thread that there is a supercharged version in the works and the GT500 has been the benchmark for camaro development it sounds like theres a chance we could see the new CTS-V engine (550 hp) in the top dog Camaro version. Anyone else think this is a good possibility?

I at the thought of that engine in this car!!
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Old 04-08-2008, 09:36 AM   #2
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Seems to be the general thought around these parts.
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I think it makes perfect sense. The LS9 would be better but I'd be willing to keep cost down by keeping steel rods, cast pistons, and a smaller blower. Yeah, not having a forged bottom end will limit one's ability to keep the engine safer, but I'm not making a racecar; I just want to spend a couple grand to make 600+ FWHP and call it a day. I'd rather keep it affordable, with great power, than thrown all that exotic stuff in there, drive the price way up, and make "only" another 100 horsepower. Besides; you know GM did their homework the way they've tested CTS-Vs in the past in Germany
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Well, the caddy guys have had a hand in the styling, and its 99% certain that the V6 will be comming from the CTS (and other cars). And using the LS9 would be overkill, even for the Camaro. 550 will do very nicely. And it trumps that so called King of the Road too. Weight would be an issue though, it could be 300 lbs more than the base V8 Camaro.
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Old 04-08-2008, 11:18 AM   #5
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LS3 weighs in at 415lbs
LSA weighs in at 469
LLT (V6 304hp) weighs in 380 est according to GM Media
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Old 04-08-2008, 11:24 AM   #6
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LS3 weighs in at 415lbs
LSA weighs in at 469
LLT (V6 304hp) weighs in 380 est according to GM Media
hmm . . . well then, uh, read my sig.

I was basing my estimate on the wieght gained by the GT500 and the ZR-1.
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Old 04-08-2008, 11:29 AM   #7
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no worries, extra weight may also be required for engine mounts and suspension to cope with the torque/hp changes. though the Z06 uses a magnesium engine cradle soo.. I dunno

the good news is that if its 50:50ish with the V6, it should still be close with the LS3 though the LSA would still be a bit nose heavy.
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Old 04-08-2008, 12:30 PM   #8
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Move the battery to the back for the v8, if it's not already there.
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Old 04-08-2008, 12:33 PM   #9
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Move the battery to the back for the v8, if it's not already there.
They may already be there, in the spyshots of the V6 engine bay there was not a battery visible...
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What I was told on the tour was that the supercharged engine was a 6.0. I thought the LSA was a 6.2? I am hoping the Corvette driver was wrong.
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Old 04-08-2008, 01:35 PM   #11
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Whatever happened to the LS8? That was supposed to be the Camaro and Z06 engine. The LSA was to be Cadillac only. The LS8 was also a 6.2 SC and was around 550hp. Why they would need 2 of what seem like the same engine I have no idea but other than early mentions of it I haven't heard a peep about it.
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I wonder if GM is building a SC version of the L76?
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Old 04-08-2008, 01:52 PM   #13
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It may just a slip of the tongue as well. its a lot easier to just say 6 rather than 6 point 2 all the time.

Considering all the dev time that goes into engines and the move to get all engines SAE certified. It would be really had to keep a new engine setup completely secret. I'm going to hang on the the belief they meant 6.2.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/a-detail...tor-plans.html
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Well yea it is what i was thinking when i heard they were using a GT500 for a benchmark.

Or it could be an engine that have never seen before.
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It may just a slip of the tongue as well. its a lot easier to just say 6 rather than 6 point 2 all the time.

Considering all the dev time that goes into engines and the move to get all engines SAE certified. It would be really had to keep a new engine setup completely secret. I'm going to hang on the the belief they meant 6.2.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/a-detail...tor-plans.html
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from the link ^, the LS8 sounds awesome
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I remember reading the article too, and about the LS8 replacing the LS7. I too question the need for so many powerplants that are pretty close to the same thing. I can see distinguishing differences between truck and car powerplants, but to allegedly have so many is very curious in my tiny brain...
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So after reading in the proving grounds tour thread that there is a supercharged version in the works and the GT500 has been the benchmark for camaro development it sounds like theres a chance we could see the new CTS-V engine (550 hp) in the top dog Camaro version. Anyone else think this is a good possibility?

I at the thought of that engine in this car!!
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Old 04-09-2008, 01:09 AM   #18
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I never saw the point of having LSA, LS8, and LS9. Two? Sure that makes sense. But three? That's going a little overboard. If we get a 6.2L SC (which it sure sounds like we are) and it makes 500+ hp, then I imagine it will be the Caddy V engine. With all the Cadillac in this car, it really will be the poor man's CTS coupe.
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Old 04-11-2008, 12:46 AM   #20
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Seems to be the general thought around these parts.
Good. GM can and should come out with any base versions with as small of engines as they feel necessary to sell the car in numbers that makes them money, but I think its crucial that the Camaro needs a 'halo' version like a 500+hp GT500 / Challenger eater. Its crucial for its image as a performance car or whatever GM wants to call it.
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[QUOTE=radz282003;60455]I think it makes perfect sense. The LS9 would be better but I'd be willing to keep cost down by keeping steel rods, cast pistons, and a smaller blower. Yeah, not having a forged bottom end will limit one's ability to keep the engine safer, but I'm not making a racecar; I just want to spend a couple grand to make 600+ FWHP and call it a day. I'd rather keep it affordable, with great power, than thrown all that exotic stuff in there, drive the price way up, and make "only" another 100 horsepower. Besides; you know GM did their homework the way they've tested CTS-Vs in the past in Germany [/QUOTI

I thought the LSA had a forged bottom end, or is it just the marine LSA?
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So after reading in the proving grounds tour thread that there is a supercharged version in the works and the GT500 has been the benchmark for camaro development it sounds like theres a chance we could see the new CTS-V engine (550 hp) in the top dog Camaro version. Anyone else think this is a good possibility?

I at the thought of that engine in this car!!
Not at all, if it gets the CTS-V engine, all of a sudden it can trample the Corvette, which has been Chevy's main car, and will always be chevy's main car.
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I think it makes perfect sense. The LS9 would be better but I'd be willing to keep cost down by keeping steel rods, cast pistons, and a smaller blower. Yeah, not having a forged bottom end will limit one's ability to keep the engine safer, but I'm not making a racecar; I just want to spend a couple grand to make 600+ FWHP and call it a day. I'd rather keep it affordable, with great power, than thrown all that exotic stuff in there, drive the price way up, and make "only" another 100 horsepower. Besides; you know GM did their homework the way they've tested CTS-Vs in the past in Germany [/QUOTI

I thought the LSA had a forged bottom end, or is it just the marine LSA?
My memory has it that the LSA has the forged crank of the LS9, but doesn't share too many more reciprocating parts with it. It doesn't have forged pistons, and the rods are aluminum, not the titanium. I don't think the head bolts are 12mm like the LS9 either. I can't remember if they share the same heat-treated heads as the LS9, but I bet it's likely. I don't think it's completely forged like the LS9 though...
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Not at all, if it gets the CTS-V engine, all of a sudden it can trample the Corvette, which has been Chevy's main car, and will always be chevy's main car.
Precisely. Don't get too hung up on this Camaro v. Corvette thing, though.

There's enough power to go around, don't you worry. 500hp and Camaro won't have to long to wait before being placed in the same sentance.

Besides, it would be able to beat a base model Corvette...but never the Z06, and only in your dreams would it stay near a ZR-1. Again, try not to get to hung up on the idea that the Corvette MUST NOT be beaten by a Camaro.
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Not at all, if it gets the CTS-V engine, all of a sudden it can trample the Corvette, which has been Chevy's main car, and will always be chevy's main car.
I'm not sure if it would trample the Vette. Look at the comps done between base Corvettes and GT500's. The Camaro will be better than the mustang, but that would end up putting in on nearly equal terms with the corvette. The Camaro will probably get the advantage in acceleration, but will still lag behind in handling. This is the way it always has been
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