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Old 04-11-2008, 06:58 AM   #1
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I just realized this...

I don't think that the Camaro is going to have 400+ horsepower. If you think about it, once it gets to that range, suddenly it can compete with the Corvette. Do think this will be a problem?
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No.Because corvette base model has 430 hp, and zr1 has 620+ HP. Cadillac CTS -V has around 550 hp, XLR-V has 440 HP, pontiac G8 gxp has 400 hp. So i think camaro will have over 400 hp. Maybe later some version with over 500 hp.And i think corvette will be much lighter than camaro. Now if we are talking about future models (corvette according to rumors should get engine with less power, but also there is rumors about DOHC v8 just for corvette, and mid engine corvette so there isn't any firm information) we can't tell until C7 comes.
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No.Because corvette base model has 430 hp, and zr1 has 620+ HP. Cadillac CTS -V has around 550 hp, XLR-V has 440 HP, pontiac G8 gxp has 400 hp. So i think camaro will have over 400 hp. Maybe later some version with over 500 hp.And i think corvette will be much lighter than camaro. Now if we are talking about future models (corvette according to rumors should get engine with less power, but also there is rumors about DOHC v8 just for corvette, and mid engine corvette so there isn't any firm information) we can't tell until C7 comes.
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Old 04-11-2008, 12:15 PM   #5
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430 hp and being lighter should give the Vette considerable advantage over the Camaro. Plus don't forget the 400 hp benchmark comment came from GM not some random guy on the internet.
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Old 04-11-2008, 01:02 PM   #6
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Old 04-11-2008, 01:31 PM   #7
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Didn't Pops say that they had no problem with stepping on the Corvettes numbers??? or was it Lutz?
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Old 04-11-2008, 01:38 PM   #8
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Didn't Pops say that they had no problem with stepping on the Corvettes numbers??? or was it Lutz?
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The Camaro has always followed the base Corvette. Much of the time, it follows very closely.

Also remember that both have different purposes in the Chevy lineup. The Corvette is a flagship car with flashy exterior styling and a very basic, unimpressive interior. The Camaro is a pony car meant to compete with 4-seater coupes and larger sedans featuring a lot of power but also function for the average Joe. The Corvette is a weekend driver. The Camaro is a powerful means of doing what most people have to do—transport the family, get to work, cost as much as an economy. They both appeal to different market segments, so there is only a small overlap in the power department.
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No.Because corvette base model has 430 hp, and zr1 has 620+ HP. Cadillac CTS -V has around 550 hp, XLR-V has 440 HP, pontiac G8 gxp has 400 hp. So i think camaro will have over 400 hp. Maybe later some version with over 500 hp.And i think corvette will be much lighter than camaro. Now if we are talking about future models (corvette according to rumors should get engine with less power, but also there is rumors about DOHC v8 just for corvette, and mid engine corvette so there isn't any firm information) we can't tell until C7 comes.
Then what do you think is a safe guess? 420?
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Old 04-11-2008, 03:15 PM   #11
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I don't think that the Camaro is going to have 400+ horsepower. If you think about it, once it gets to that range, suddenly it can compete with the Corvette. Do think this will be a problem?
Rumor has it: Z06 will be taking a 2-3 year hiatus. ZR1 will be produced for the next 2 years or so while Camaro takes center stage.

First off, LS2 Corvette is about 39k and has 400 hp. Z06 has 500 hp and starts at 60k I think? Camaro comes out with 400 hp LS2 type engine and will be in the 30k neighboorhood and a 500hp SC engine in the 40K range (hope not that high).

So you are telling me you would much rather have a Corvette with 2 fiewer seets and 10k more?

I'll take my 400+ hp Camaro with 2 more seats for even 35k over a Vette with 2 seats and 400hp at 40k.
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Old 04-11-2008, 04:07 PM   #13
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Imagine if you could do that with a camaro just think something and the car responds! i know.... but still... I felt the need to let my thoughts be known
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Old 04-11-2008, 04:26 PM   #14
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Rumor has it: Z06 will be taking a 2-3 year hiatus. ZR1 will be produced for the next 2 years or so while Camaro takes center stage.

First off, LS2 Corvette is about 39k and has 400 hp. Z06 has 500 hp and starts at 60k I think? Camaro comes out with 400 hp LS2 type engine and will be in the 30k neighboorhood and a 500hp SC engine in the 40K range (hope not that high).

So you are telling me you would much rather have a Corvette with 2 fiewer seets and 10k more?

I'll take my 400+ hp Camaro with 2 more seats for even 35k over a Vette with 2 seats and 400hp at 40k.
Not to sound like a jerk, but it's been stated the LS2 will not be in Camaro. I'm sure this was just a typing error.
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Old 04-11-2008, 05:47 PM   #15
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if the Camaro comes out with 400 hp, base V8, it will get smoked by any and all 2009 corvettes. The Camaro will have 9.5 lb/hp (roughly), the Corvette starts at 7.5 and shrinks down from there. Not the same league. And corvetes also manage 0.95g or better on the skidpad. Thats the most we can expect from the Camaro.
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Old 04-13-2008, 07:43 PM   #16
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I remember reading an article when the Fbods were killed off in 02. It was car and driver or some rag of the sort. It was the writer's belief (and I cannot remember if it was his opinion or if he was basing it off of something) that the Fbods were being killed off because the Fbod buyers kept wanting it to be better and better (ie, more like a vette) and that the models had gotten so close that one of them had to go, and it wasnt going to be the flagship vette. I'm not saying I totally agree, because I have no idea, but I can see that point.
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Plain and simple...

Corvette has always been a flagship 2 seater coupe sportscar w/ tons of high tech stuff. Better susp, much lighter, etc, etc, etc.

Well, the Camaro was meant to be a 4 seater (^like said above) to be a daily driver go getter at a reasonable price.

All that is changing w/ the new Camaro. They've stepped it up. It WILL step on the toes of the Vette...at least the higher end model.
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Plain and simple...

Corvette has always been a flagship 2 seater coupe sportscar w/ tons of high tech stuff. Better susp, much lighter, etc, etc, etc.

Well, the Camaro was meant to be a 4 seater (^like said above) to be a daily driver go getter at a reasonable price.

All that is changing w/ the new Camaro. They've stepped it up. It WILL step on the toes of the Vette...at least the higher end model.
not to mention, its a pony car ment for 4 seating. the camaro was always the poor mans vette...so y not have the camaro step on the toes of the corvette?..it still has the advantage which many people have stated.. come on us poor people need some fun too
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well the camaro being so good... people that can afford one corvette COULD afford 2... if you know what i mean... why not make it mid engine pump up the price 50 g's... and lighten it like crazy... can you say american ferrarri fighter... there is no point for a vette anymore cuz we now have the camaro and the viper is gone anyways... it should be left pony performance or exotic performance... just my opinion... or make low pro. FR zr1 types just to say you can lol i donno... either way.... some corvette owners want to sell thier there vettes for camaros...which is sad.... camaro is just an AMAZING CAR... but the corvette is the PINACLE of american auto... id rather have a new vette... but i cant get the insurance and its not feasible i hated only having 2 seats
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Another way to look at this: The Malibu technically slots below the Impala in the Chevy lineup, but obviously the new Malibu is a far better car than the current Impala. You can only imagine how far the Impala will step up to be better than the Malibu again once it is redesigned. So we might see the same thing with the Camaro and Corvette. Maybe the 5th Gen Camaro will overshadow the Vette at first, but it will be redesigned within a couple years anyway, and you better bet the C7 will be impressive as all get out. If it isn't more powerful, it will be nice and lightweight, so the power:weight ratio will be excellent.
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well the camaro being so good... people that can afford one corvette COULD afford 2... if you know what i mean... why not make it mid engine pump up the price 50 g's... and lighten it like crazy... can you say american ferrarri fighter... there is no point for a vette anymore cuz we now have the camaro and the viper is gone anyways... it should be left pony performance or exotic performance... just my opinion... or make low pro. FR zr1 types just to say you can lol i donno... either way.... some corvette owners want to sell thier there vettes for camaros...which is sad.... camaro is just an AMAZING CAR... but the corvette is the PINACLE of american auto... id rather have a new vette... but i cant get the insurance and its not feasible i hated only having 2 seats
Except . . . the top dog Camaro will be within 10k of the base corvette. Sales of an 'exotic corvette' would drop to near 0. It can't be lightened like crazy, it weighs as much as an enzo does which is all carbon fibre and aluminum. And the Z06 and ZR1's can already kick the asses of Ferrarri's on the track, at 1/3 the price. That is the point of the Corvette. The Viper's death has been denied. For 35 years the Camaro and the Corvette lived side by side. GM has allowed cars to nip at the heels of the Corvette before, it will happen again.

The Corvette will weigh less and handle better than any Camaro of the same year. When that changes, the Corvette will cease to matter.
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The drivers of most Corvettes are white-haired and putt-putting along at Corolla speed. The power in the Camaro won't affect those sales. It could take the few young folks struggling to pay and some of the mid-life crisis buyers. It also won't take the young rich buyers. While to some extent this has always been true, I think it is now more than ever.
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I don't think that the Camaro is going to have 400+ horsepower. If you think about it, once it gets to that range, suddenly it can compete with the Corvette. Do think this will be a problem?
I think this is egregious!!! :slice: How dare you?! j/k

In all seriousness, I believe we'll be looking at a L76 or LS3. Camaro will weigh several hundred more pounds than the 'Vette and won't have handling as good (although I'm sure it will be great ) I don't think there is anything to worry about in this area.

It would be great to see GM come out with something that will absolutely stomp on a SRT8 Challey' and have something in the pipeline, in the next couple years, ready for a 6.4L Hemi or something. There's also the Ford camp to worry about, so things, I think, are getting really interesting...
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