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Old 08-13-2009, 01:23 PM   #1
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First Experience with Zaino - Not Great!

With so many endorsements from members of this forum, I was convinced that Zaino would be the best product for my new black 2SS. So, I purchased the $84 kit that includes clay, Z7 wash, Z5 swirl remover, Z2 polish, ZFX accelerator and Z6 spray gloss enhancer. I purchased and received this prior to delivery of my car, and while waiting with great anticipation (you guys know what I mean) I read the Zaino instructions so many times that I almost memorized them. I finally got to use the system on the day that I took delivery. After refusing the complimentary dealer cleaning, I went home and began the whole Dawn, claybar, Z7 prep followed by the first coat of Z5 with ZFX accelerator.

Everything went very well until I started to remove the Z5. It was very difficult to remove. As instructed, I had used the material very sparingly (about 1/2 ounce) and waited over an hour. As I removed, it seemed that the material was not fully cured because it tended to smear somewhat. I finally got it all off with much rubbing and a little help from Z6. Then I was brave enough to try the Z2. Because of my Z5 experience I used even less Z2 with ZFX and applied very thin, but the result was the same. The material just would not set up. As per instructions I kept using the "finger drag" test to see if it was cured. After several hours, I gave up and started removing the residue. Again it was difficult, but obviously some of the polish had cured and remained on the surface because it did look and feel very nice.

I called Zaino to see if perhaps I had a bad batch of ZFX or something, but they just insisted that I must be applying too much polish. I explained that I had used less than indicated in the instructions. Anyway, I decided to try again on the following weekend to apply another coat of Z2. This time I applied the polish on Friday evening and waited until Saturday to remove. I used only 1/3 ounce of Z2 with ZFX. It was so thin, I had difficulty detecting where polish was and was not. In spite of the thin coat and long waiting period, the material still would not pass the finger drag test. It tended to smear and was difficult to remove.

I am in New Orleans and the humidity is always high, but I did this in an air conditioned garage. At one point I tried backing the car out and let it sit in the hot sun, but that didnít work either. Again, after removing the residue the car looks and feels very good. I can definitely see the effects of the polish when I wash the car. However, I am now a shirt size larger after all of the rubbing and buffing that was necessary to use this product. And I know from reading other posts about Zaino that it is not supposed to be this difficult to remove. Has anyone else had a similar problem? Any suggestions?
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Old 08-13-2009, 01:41 PM   #2
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I tried Zaino a few years back on my 2005 CTS and decided then and there is was more work than it was worth. Its a product for those addicted to polishing/waxing IMO.
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that's weird...hard to give you any help cause I don't know exactly how you did it..my first time with it it went on fine and came off easily?? sorry
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I can't imagine the heat and humidity being much different between Houston and New Orleans.

When you mixed the ZFX with the Z5 and then with the Z2, how much polish did you put in the mixing bottle at a time?

Once you added the correct amount of ZFX (4-5 drops per ounce of polish) to the polish in the mixing bottle and shook it for the 90 seconds, did you let it sit for 5 minutes and then shake it again before using it?

I didn't have any issues with the ZFX-enabled Z5 and Z2 drying in under 30 minutes when I did my car a few weeks back. It was 95 degrees out and humid as hell that day too (I lost 3 pounds that day!).
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What kind of towel are you using?

An orbital polisher will really cut down on the amount of elbow grease necessary and give a much 'deeper' looking shine. I use high quality microfiber bonnets and a $20 polisher from Home Depot.

The Z-6 helps remove smears, too.

I live in MS and can relate to the humidity issues. It definitely takes longer to set up in high humidity conditions (about an hour longer w/ ZFX for me).
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Old 08-13-2009, 03:03 PM   #7
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I can't imagine the heat and humidity being much different between Houston and New Orleans.

When you mixed the ZFX with the Z5 and then with the Z2, how much polish did you put in the mixing bottle at a time?

Once you added the correct amount of ZFX (4-5 drops per ounce of polish) to the polish in the mixing bottle and shook it for the 90 seconds, did you let it sit for 5 minutes and then shake it again before using it?

I didn't have any issues with the ZFX-enabled Z5 and Z2 drying in under 30 minutes when I did my car a few weeks back. It was 95 degrees out and humid as hell that day too (I lost 3 pounds that day!).
At first I put 1 ounce of Z5 and 4 drops ZFX and mixed as per instructions. I only used about half of the mixture and was planning to do a second coat until it took so long to get the first coat off. For the Z2 coats, I was trying to go even thinner; so I mixed about a third of an ounce with 2 drops ZFX.

You're right - if it sets in less than 30 minutes in Houston, it should do same here. At this point I can only assume that my ZFX is not doing what it supposed to??? Oh, and I competely understand about the 3 lbs.
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Old 08-13-2009, 03:16 PM   #8
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What kind of towel are you using?

An orbital polisher will really cut down on the amount of elbow grease necessary and give a much 'deeper' looking shine. I use high quality microfiber bonnets and a $20 polisher from Home Depot.

The Z-6 helps remove smears, too.

I live in MS and can relate to the humidity issues. It definitely takes longer to set up in high humidity conditions (about an hour longer w/ ZFX for me).
I was using 100% cotton as recommended in the instructions. They were new soft white fluffy bath towels that I washed once prior to use. The Z6 worked great to help get the remaining residue and smears off. I didn't even consider using a buffer because others had commented about how easy it normally is to remove the Zaino. Maybe I'll have to rethink the buffer (or the Zaino) if I don't find another solution. Thanks for your input.
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Hmm, your first batch of ZFX enabled Z5 should have worked just fine. That's exactly what I did - put in an ounce of Z5 and 4 drops of ZFX. Did 2 coats with it and both dried in under 30 minutes.

I wonder if Zaino would be willing to send you a new bottle of ZFX in exchange for the one you got?
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At first I put 1 ounce of Z5 and 4 drops ZFX and mixed as per instructions. I only used about half of the mixture and was planning to do a second coat until it took so long to get the first coat off. For the Z2 coats, I was trying to go even thinner; so I mixed about a third of an ounce with 2 drops ZFX.

You're right - if it sets in less than 30 minutes in Houston, it should do same here. At this point I can only assume that my ZFX is not doing what it supposed to??? Oh, and I competely understand about the 3 lbs.
How full did you fill the bottle that comes with ZFX the first time? Half full? Remember those bottles hold 2 ounces. I've seen quite a few people fill the bottle up thinking they are 1 ounce bottles.

When you added ZFX did you squeeze the bottle or did you let it drip by itself? There has been several people on here that squeezed the bottle and put in 3-4 times the amount needed.
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I was using 100% cotton as recommended in the instructions. They were new soft white fluffy bath towels that I washed once prior to use. The Z6 worked great to help get the remaining residue and smears off. I didn't even consider using a buffer because others had commented about how easy it normally is to remove the Zaino. Maybe I'll have to rethink the buffer (or the Zaino) if I don't find another solution. Thanks for your input.
Re: the towel, you might want to try a high quality microfiber next time. I've moved away from cotton entirely when it comes to car car (as have many others). They tend to smear and shed too much for me.

The instruction sheet that they send out with Zaino is ancient. The towels they recommend now and sell on their site are microfiber (and VERY nice, btw).

Still seems like something's not right with your ZFX though. Have you considered mixing up a small batch of Z2 or Z5 with ZFX and just let it sit and see if it will harden?
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Re: the towel, you might want to try a high quality microfiber next time. I've moved away from cotton entirely when it comes to car car (as have many others). They tend to smear and shed too much for me.

The instruction sheet that they send out with Zaino is ancient. The towels they recommend now and sell on their site are microfiber (and VERY nice, btw).

Still seems like something's not right with your ZFX though. Have you considered mixing up a small batch of Z2 or Z5 with ZFX and just let it sit and see if it will harden?
Hmm. No they don't.

Under the instructions of Z-2

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Allow Z-2 PRO™ to haze (this should take 10-15 minutes in normal conditions), then by using a clean, 100% cotton, made in the USA towel to buff off Z-2 PRO™ and reveal the hidden beauty of your paint.
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A: The safest way to remove the residue from your paint is with white, made in USA, 100% cotton name brand large bath towels, such as Cannon or FieldCrest. Get them in the bath section at any major department store. The towels that you find in auto parts stores, or the auto sections of the department stores are usually not made in the USA, and even though they may say they are 100% cotton, they are not. Anything other than 100% pure white cotton may scratch your paint finish.You should use white towels because the dyes in colored towels can leave a chemical residue on the paint, and cause streaking. Also, it's important to either remove the stitched borders from your towels, or keep the towels folded in a way that keeps the borders away from the paint. The borders(edges or designs) can scratch your paint, as they may not be 100% cotton.

Wash your towels in hot water, and with a liquid detergent, like liquid Tide, or ALL. Avoid using Powdered detergents, Bleach or any kind of Fabric softeners as these products will leave a chemical residue on your towels that will cause streaking and scratching.
And the towels they sell are 100% cotton.

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A: Zaino has been testing various Micro-Fiber products. Unfortunately, the jury is still out on them. Some of them are excellent and do not scratch. Others are terrible and definitely scratch. The quality control of these products from overseas, especially Korea, is not consistent, so you never know if they will be the same scratch-free quality. Even when using the same brand, we found the quality to be inconsistent. For now, we do not recommend using them. However, lab testing is ongoing, and we will post an update when we have more conclusive results.
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Old 08-13-2009, 04:49 PM   #13
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It sounds like you put it on waaaay too thick,with ounce i put three coats on my Camaro and still had enough for a 4th and then some.Also the humidity in New Orleans is god awful , I would have waited at least 2 hours before trying to remove it.
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Hmm. No they don't.

Under the instructions of Z-2



In the Faq section



And the towels they sell are 100% cotton.

As for microfiber
The Zaino's aren't exactly the quickest when it comes to updating product information. e.g. they still put 'NEW' on Z2Pro even though it came out almost 5 years ago.

I assure you the towels are microfiber (polyester) and are superior to cotton in many ways, which I won't get into.

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Old 08-13-2009, 06:31 PM   #15
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You Really have to Use the Product Sparingly

I have used Zaino for years without a problem. I think you are really using too much, although you don't think that you are. There is a You Tube video somewhere in the waxing thread that was produced by Zaino. The video shows exactly how to wax the entire car and the amount of product to be used.

Find it and follow the directions. It really shouldn't be that hard to use. Good luck!
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Old 08-13-2009, 09:06 PM   #16
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I had my first experience with it today as well. I was slightly less then impressed. The car did had it's nice angles, but there were spots that just didn't go over well.
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If you want your black Camaros to look their best, I. Recommend the following;

1. Apply a coat of ZYMOL to one area at a time in one direction and remove it in the opposite, 90 deg, direction before it dries. Your paint will get visible darker as Zymol replenishes oils to the paint.

2. Apply a coat of Meguiars Gold Class liquid wax to the entire car and remove
after it's dried.

I've had better results with this than I got from 10+ layers of alternated Z5, Z2 and Z-CS.
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Here is the video on how to use Zaino sparingly:



Even as an experienced user I was surprised on how little to use. It has saved me a lot of time and effort. The results have improved as well!

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i had some trouble the first time. all i had to do was back the car into the sun and it dried quick. u must use a big towel. but the shine was well worth the time and i have tried almost every product on the market
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Thanks for the comment guys.

Draco & Nexus - Just to clarify, I did realize that the mixing bottle was 2 ounces. So the first time I filled only half way to get 1 ounce, and then I only used about half of that mixture. Then on the next two coats, I tried using even less. So I really donít think Iím using too much.

AZ2SSRS - I failed to mention in my original post that in addition to reading the Zaino instructions repeatedly, I also found and watched several times the youtube video that you mentioned. It was a helpful way to show just how thin the material should be applied.

mwt18 - I did in fact use a microfiber towel with Z6 after using the cotton to remove most of the residue. And the microfiber does seem to remove the polish more easily/completely.

rolnslo - Good suggestion about trying a different batch of ZFX. As you mention I was hoping that Zaino would recommend this but they just insisted that I must be doing something wrong. Maybe Iíll try to talk to them again. btw, your car looks great!

NVMY68SS - I might have to try that. You already put 10 layers of Zaino and then switched to Zymol/Meguiars on your Camaro since 6/1? What made you switch?
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Thanks for the comment guys.

Draco & Nexus - Just to clarify, I did realize that the mixing bottle was 2 ounces. So the first time I filled only half way to get 1 ounce, and then I only used about half of that mixture. Then on the next two coats, I tried using even less. So I really donít think Iím using too much.

AZ2SSRS - I failed to mention in my original post that in addition to reading the Zaino instructions repeatedly, I also found and watched several times the youtube video that you mentioned. It was a helpful way to show just how thin the material should be applied.

mwt18 - I did in fact use a microfiber towel with Z6 after using the cotton to remove most of the residue. And the microfiber does seem to remove the polish more easily/completely.

rolnslo - Good suggestion about trying a different batch of ZFX. As you mention I was hoping that Zaino would recommend this but they just insisted that I must be doing something wrong. Maybe Iíll try to talk to them again. btw, your car looks great!

NVMY68SS - I might have to try that. You already put 10 layers of Zaino and then switched to Zymol/Meguiars on your Camaro since 6/1? What made you switch?
Just an FYI.The ZFX does not accelerate drying time,it accelerates CURING time.That so when you put the second coat on,your actually putting a 3nd coat and not just moving the first coat around with more product.When i'm applying coats i sometimes have to rub a section with my finger just to tell there is product in that spot.That's how thin it has to be.Regardless,sorry to hear about your bad experience.
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I agree that Zaino is more trouble than its worth. The results can be replicated with other products that are cheaper and easier to use.
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Seems obvious if you have to do ll that crap just to put a wax on sombody is pulling someones leg. All waxes protect, some go on and come off easier than others. Don't let the hype (by professinal marketing sales sluts) concvince you otherwise. Until someone can offer up certified labratory testing proving one is better than all others save your money and time.
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From Long Time Zaino User In Baton Rouge

Hey Turbodog...I am right up the river from you in Baton Rouge. I have been useing Zaino products on my show cars and daily drivers for thirteen years. I love all the Zaino products. What you are experiencing is the polish not drying in our high humidity conditions. This is what I learned after the first few years of useing Zaino. This just applys to their polishes, Z-2, Z-3, Z-5 & Z-AIO. Do not even try useing them from June through September, unless you have a air conditioned garrage. Even with ZFX, does not work. I have left polish on for over a week many times and all it does is smear when you try to remove it. I do all my polishing from October - May. Polish after a cool front moves through and you will not have any problems. When I use Zaino polish with ZFX during cool weather, I can remove it almost as soon as I finish applying it! And it polishes out with ease, with no residue.

FYI: My 2SS/RS, RJT arrived on June 14th. I dawn washed, clayed with Z-6, rubbed down with Z-6, applied 2 coats of Z-CS, with Z-6 buff between coats and finished off with Z-8. Looks great.
When fall (October) arrives I will start to polish with Z-5 & Z-2.

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Try Fukken Wax from Europe, just spray on and wipe off. Easy and good for those that don't like to put in a half day.
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