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NOODLESgoneWILD · 04-16-2008, 02:59 AM

For months we have debated back and forth “The Top Dog will be THIS or the Top Dog will be THAT”.

I’m tired! I can’t take it anymore; GM will release the Info soon enough.

So speak now and forever hold your peace, or until they announce the SS or Z/28 as the top dog (or a combination of the two…Or maybe something new altogether).

Then you can bitch and moan about the decision made…and why your choice of Top Dog wasn’t chosen.

Now vote (on the pole) for the model / Trim level you think (or hope) to be the Top Dog.

Add a post to claim which one you voted for…and if you guess correctly, you can brag about your brilliance until the cows come home!

These are based of speculation, my imagination and a little silliness!

If you like one of these options, but think it needs to be tweek for your guess, state that in your post!

NOODLESgoneWILD · 04-16-2008, 03:03 AM

Im gonna go for the long shot...this is my lotto pick! If your gonna dream dream big

SS/RS (Z/28-AWD) LS9 (Super Charged) – 600+hp

swazworth · 04-16-2008, 03:17 AM

SS/Z28 with LS3 (Super Charged) – 575 +hp

*Mindz* · 04-16-2008, 03:46 AM

I choose the LS3 supercharged. I don't know about the HP rating, but if it's got 500+ I'd be happy.

sterlingnotes · 04-16-2008, 04:36 AM

I think it will be the LS8 (supercharged) in the SS trim. I think that the Z-28 will be a handling package, and the RS will be an appearance package.

Mike C · 04-16-2008, 07:13 AM

I say it's going to be the LSA 550hp in the Z28 as the top dog!

TheMadHatter99 · 04-16-2008, 07:31 AM

Should be a Z/28 w/ LSA option...

o2camaross · 04-16-2008, 09:51 AM

i think the LS8 with 520+hp in the SS trim.

*Dragoneye* · 04-16-2008, 10:16 AM

hmmm....You do know the LS4 is a FWD engine, right? Impala/Monte Carlo SS?

Anyways, this should be interesting to see who's right, and who's wrong come reveal.

*radz28* · 04-16-2008, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMadHatter99

Should be a Z/28 w/ LSA option...

+1 I voted for the SS with the LSA, but I think this could be an idea too

*DGthe3* · 04-16-2008, 11:16 AM

SS LSA 550 hp

discoteka · 04-16-2008, 11:22 AM

I voted Z28 LSA, but are there any advantages to the LSA over the s/c LS3/76?

MAROobsession · 04-16-2008, 11:25 AM

i have a feeling that in the begging the top dog will be an LS3 with over 430. But eventually later we'll see the LSA once the new C7 comes out to keep the C6 some breathing while the Maro is out.

*radz28* · 04-16-2008, 12:18 PM

Well, the LSA is designed to be supercharged over the LS3/76. It has lower compression, forged crank (and rods, I think...), and such. I'm not sure if larger head bolts and the heat-treated heads carry-over from the LS9, but there could be those too. Again, the LSA is just beafy from the outset, for supercharging, where the LS3/76 is NA.

SSINSTR · 04-16-2008, 12:49 PM

I chose the SS LSA because to me, it just makes sense. It would be more cost effective to expand its use to the Camaro rather than develop a brand new motor or use one such as the LS9 that employs exotic components.

As far as the name game, and this is just MHO, while the Z/28 was the top dog back in the day, there has been no mention by anyone at GM that this trim level will even exist. Furthermore, I believe that modern day society associates the SS moniker with the top dog performance model (think 4th gen, TBSS, any other model GM has stuck that badge on recently). As much as I believe GM wants to revive the Z/28 as the HIPO model, I believe that the SS will hold that position for marketing reasons.

*Camaro_Corvette* · 04-16-2008, 01:38 PM

somebody post a link to information regarding the LSA, i apparently don't know crap about this engine...thanx

*The_Blur* · 04-16-2008, 01:44 PM

This is not a question that can be polled. It's not up to us. It's up to Chevrolet. Names don't matter. Just give me my 400 horses!

RSHugger · 04-16-2008, 01:57 PM

My two cents... Would not think you would have a combined performance package such as the Z/28 and the SS. No sense there but that does not mean anything. GM is bringing back the ZR1 as the big dog for the Corvettes and I think that there is enough nostalgia left in the GM ranks that they would lean towards the Z/28 as the Full Meal Deal. I am a first Gen guy so that is what I am heavily relying on, for better or worse. Who knows... maybe they will just call the base V8 the SS and go for the gusto and pull the ZL1 in as the commander in chief of the Camaro line. All aluminum tire shredder... I would not mind parking that in my garage next to my 69 RS.

MAROobsession · 04-16-2008, 02:06 PM

im pretty sure the LSA is a detuned/smaller supercharger version of the LS9

1st Gen Forever · 04-16-2008, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camaro_corvette

somebody post a link to information regarding the LSA, i apparently don't know crap about this engine...thanx

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/14/d...-2l-superchar/

It's like a detuned LS9. Some of the internals are weaker so I'm personnaly a little leary of how it will stand up to mods like a pulley change or better Super Charger.

As far as the poll, Why does the "Top Dog" have to be chosen from Z28, SS, or RS options? Who's going to be the Shelby, Saleen, or Roush for the Camaro? Anyone wana make a prediction on SLP or Lingenfelter? Wouldn't an arrangment between GM and those guys help Gm with the CAFE requirements?

*Camaro_Corvette* · 04-16-2008, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1st Gen Forever

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/14/d...-2l-superchar/

It's like a detuned LS9. Some of the internals are weaker so I'm personnaly a little leary of how it will stand up to mods like a pulley change or better Super Charger.

thank you..

Camaro68 · 04-16-2008, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NOODLESgoneWILD

Im gonna go for the long shot...this is my lotto pick! If your gonna dream dream big

SS/RS (Z/28-AWD) LS9 (Super Charged) – 600+hp

Right on that's what i'm talking about, if you dream, dream big,
same as me WOW.

gota love the thread

punkdrum01 · 04-16-2008, 02:27 PM

Uggggggg please take out the LS4 and LS7 since we know those are definately off the table..........

*The_Blur* · 04-16-2008, 02:30 PM

Just to mix things up, how do you like these?

• Camaro: 260 hp (I4 turbo)
• Camaro S: 300 hp (V6)
• Camaro RS: appearance package (add to anything)
• Camaro Z28: 400 hp (LS3)
• Camaro SS: 495 hp (LS7)
• Camaro USSDS*: 1000 hp (13.6L 32-valve Cadillac V16)

*USSDS—Unholy Supreme Super Duper Sport

daddyseth1 · 04-16-2008, 02:55 PM

I just read the autoblog article on the LSA and how it compares to the LS9. and I was just floored by the specs that were explained in grave detail and the photos that were displayed and I must say.. I AM IN LOVE!

I read on how it is using less 150kPa to maintain its power and airflow. That is very impressive! I am still learning as I go when it comes to HIPO engines, but that is why I have you guys (and a thesaurus). I am looking at the location of the altenator and it is bringing back memories of my 95 Monte Carlo Z34. To change it, the axle boot(well also depending on one's tools) has to be broken down. Well that is what I experienced, but this one may be different. Not that it would be an issue, the engine looks awesome, and that supercharger,

My thing, how much would this bad boy cost? If the price is obtainable, I may have to re-cast my vote!

View Poll Results: What will it be!...once and for all?
SS with LS3 – 430 +hp	8	7.92%
SS with L76 (Super Charged) – 500 +hp	6	5.94%
SS with LSA (Super Charged) – 550 +hp	32	31.68%
SS/Z28 with LS3 (Super Charged) – 575 +hp	11	10.89%
Z/28 with LS3 – 400 +hp (Sport Tuned)	12	11.88%
Z/28 with LS4 (Super Charged) – 475 +hp (Sport Tuned)	2	1.98%
Z/28 with LS8 (Super Charged) – 530 +hp (Sport Tuned)	16	15.84%
Z/28/SS with LS7 (Super Charged) – 545 +hp (Sport Tuned)	4	3.96%
SS/RS (Z/28-AWD) LS9 (Super Charged) – 600+hp	10	9.90%
Voters: 101. You may not vote on this poll

04-16-2008, 02:59 AM	#1
NOODLESgoneWILD IS IT 2009 YET??? Drives: '05 Z51 Black Vette & '06 H2 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mill Creek, Washington Posts: 412	ENOUGH IS ENOUGH…FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!! For months we have debated back and forth “The Top Dog will be THIS or the Top Dog will be THAT”. I’m tired! I can’t take it anymore; GM will release the Info soon enough. So speak now and forever hold your peace, or until they announce the SS or Z/28 as the top dog (or a combination of the two…Or maybe something new altogether). Then you can bitch and moan about the decision made…and why your choice of Top Dog wasn’t chosen. Now vote (on the pole) for the model / Trim level you think (or hope) to be the Top Dog. Add a post to claim which one you voted for…and if you guess correctly, you can brag about your brilliance until the cows come home! These are based of speculation, my imagination and a little silliness! If you like one of these options, but think it needs to be tweek for your guess, state that in your post! __________________ *Don't love me just for my FBod* Last edited by NOODLESgoneWILD; 04-16-2008 at 03:12 AM.

04-16-2008, 03:03 AM	#2
NOODLESgoneWILD IS IT 2009 YET??? Drives: '05 Z51 Black Vette & '06 H2 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mill Creek, Washington Posts: 412	Im gonna go for the long shot...this is my lotto pick! If your gonna dream dream big SS/RS (Z/28-AWD) LS9 (Super Charged) – 600+hp __________________ *Don't love me just for my FBod*

04-16-2008, 03:46 AM	#4
Mindz Account Suspended Drives: you wild... Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: The happy place... with the white padded walls... wearing a coat that makes me hug myself... Posts: 10,630	I choose the LS3 supercharged. I don't know about the HP rating, but if it's got 500+ I'd be happy. __________________ "The blue rush feels like an Iconic camaro to me, like hennessey and other tuner cars have their own feel to them" ~ AdnanHfuda "Wow...That was record time...I didn't have to remove the pic. It suddenly disappeared in like 5 seconds...haha...Wow!!!" ~Big Al Camaro5 Car of the Week 3/22/10

04-16-2008, 10:16 AM	#9
Dragoneye Moderator Drives: 2008 Cobalt LS Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, New York Posts: 15,719 View My Garage	hmmm....You do know the LS4 is a FWD engine, right? Impala/Monte Carlo SS? Anyways, this should be interesting to see who's right, and who's wrong come reveal. __________________ *"Keep the faith."*

04-16-2008, 03:17 AM	#3
swazworth the nerd king Drives: 2005 scion xb... Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: phoenix, az Posts: 430	SS/Z28 with LS3 (Super Charged) – 575 +hp

04-16-2008, 04:36 AM	#5
sterlingnotes Drives: 2010 Camaro 1LT/RS M6 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Fairhaven, MA Posts: 2,971 View My Garage	I think it will be the LS8 (supercharged) in the SS trim. I think that the Z-28 will be a handling package, and the RS will be an appearance package.

04-16-2008, 07:13 AM	#6
Mike C Drives: '02 F150 FX4 SuperCrew Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Northville, MI Posts: 60	I say it's going to be the LSA 550hp in the Z28 as the top dog!

04-16-2008, 09:51 AM	#8
o2camaross Drives: 2010 2SS/RS & 04 silvy Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Driving Posts: 349	i think the LS8 with 520+hp in the SS trim.

04-16-2008, 11:16 AM	#11
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 13,325	SS LSA 550 hp __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ but to assume we're 'done' with Camaro - well -- trust me - we aren't! -FbodFather __________________

04-16-2008, 11:22 AM	#12
discoteka Drives: Oramac Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Ny Posts: 121 View My Garage	I voted Z28 LSA, but are there any advantages to the LSA over the s/c LS3/76? __________________ 1995 Z28 Silver M6 : Full Exh., Gears, Cai Holding out for new Z28

04-16-2008, 11:25 AM	#13
MAROobsession Drives: 05 Honda Accord V6 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Palm Beach FL Posts: 87	i have a feeling that in the begging the top dog will be an LS3 with over 430. But eventually later we'll see the LSA once the new C7 comes out to keep the C6 some breathing while the Maro is out.

04-16-2008, 12:18 PM	#14
radz28 MMM... Spam... Drives: My wife crazy Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Crapramento, Crapifornia Posts: 8,027 View My Garage	Well, the LSA is designed to be supercharged over the LS3/76. It has lower compression, forged crank (and rods, I think...), and such. I'm not sure if larger head bolts and the heat-treated heads carry-over from the LS9, but there could be those too. Again, the LSA is just beafy from the outset, for supercharging, where the LS3/76 is NA. __________________ Know your place

04-16-2008, 12:49 PM	#15
SSINSTR Michelin Man Assassin Drives: '10 IBM 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Lone Star State Posts: 184 View My Garage	I chose the SS LSA because to me, it just makes sense. It would be more cost effective to expand its use to the Camaro rather than develop a brand new motor or use one such as the LS9 that employs exotic components. As far as the name game, and this is just MHO, while the Z/28 was the top dog back in the day, there has been no mention by anyone at GM that this trim level will even exist. Furthermore, I believe that modern day society associates the SS moniker with the top dog performance model (think 4th gen, TBSS, any other model GM has stuck that badge on recently). As much as I believe GM wants to revive the Z/28 as the HIPO model, I believe that the SS will hold that position for marketing reasons. __________________ Delivered: 6/20/09 Borla S

04-16-2008, 01:38 PM	#16
Camaro_Corvette 34.134025, -118.321644 Drives: Anything Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Central Indiana Posts: 14,089 View My Garage	somebody post a link to information regarding the LSA, i apparently don't know crap about this engine...thanx __________________ Camaro5 Indiana Camaro Club <<<Find local camaro events in Indiana >>>>>>>>Challenge me<<<

04-16-2008, 01:44 PM	#17
The_Blur Moderator Drives: 2010 Camaro LS project Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chicago Posts: 9,842 View My Garage	This is not a question that can be polled. It's not up to us. It's up to Chevrolet. Names don't matter. Just give me my 400 horses! __________________ BUY TIMELESS HATS! If you don't have constructive feedback, then feed your feedback back up your backside. 48:27

04-16-2008, 01:57 PM	#18
RSHugger Drives: 1969 RS Camaro Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Albany OR Posts: 171	My two cents... Would not think you would have a combined performance package such as the Z/28 and the SS. No sense there but that does not mean anything. GM is bringing back the ZR1 as the big dog for the Corvettes and I think that there is enough nostalgia left in the GM ranks that they would lean towards the Z/28 as the Full Meal Deal. I am a first Gen guy so that is what I am heavily relying on, for better or worse. Who knows... maybe they will just call the base V8 the SS and go for the gusto and pull the ZL1 in as the commander in chief of the Camaro line. All aluminum tire shredder... I would not mind parking that in my garage next to my 69 RS.

04-16-2008, 02:06 PM	#19
MAROobsession Drives: 05 Honda Accord V6 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Palm Beach FL Posts: 87	im pretty sure the LSA is a detuned/smaller supercharger version of the LS9

04-16-2008, 02:27 PM	#23
punkdrum01 Drives: 1999 z28 Vert Black/Black Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 177	Uggggggg please take out the LS4 and LS7 since we know those are definately off the table..........

04-16-2008, 02:30 PM	#24
The_Blur Moderator Drives: 2010 Camaro LS project Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chicago Posts: 9,842 View My Garage	Just to mix things up, how do you like these? • Camaro: 260 hp (I4 turbo) • Camaro S: 300 hp (V6) • Camaro RS: appearance package (add to anything) • Camaro Z28: 400 hp (LS3) • Camaro SS: 495 hp (LS7) • Camaro USSDS: 1000 hp (13.6L 32-valve Cadillac V16) USSDS—Unholy Supreme Super Duper Sport __________________ BUY TIMELESS HATS! If you don't have constructive feedback, then feed your feedback back up your backside. 48:27 Last edited by The_Blur; 04-16-2008 at 02:56 PM.

04-16-2008, 02:55 PM	#25
daddyseth1 Drives: 94 Pontiac Firebird Formula Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 247	I just read the autoblog article on the LSA and how it compares to the LS9. and I was just floored by the specs that were explained in grave detail and the photos that were displayed and I must say.. I AM IN LOVE! I read on how it is using less 150kPa to maintain its power and airflow. That is very impressive! I am still learning as I go when it comes to HIPO engines, but that is why I have you guys (and a thesaurus). I am looking at the location of the altenator and it is bringing back memories of my 95 Monte Carlo Z34. To change it, the axle boot(well also depending on one's tools) has to be broken down. Well that is what I experienced, but this one may be different. Not that it would be an issue, the engine looks awesome, and that supercharger, My thing, how much would this bad boy cost? If the price is obtainable, I may have to re-cast my vote!