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Old 04-17-2008, 12:48 AM   #1
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Hybrid or Diesel Camaro?

If you had to choose or not at all...
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Old 04-17-2008, 01:23 AM   #2
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None. if you make a diesel or hybrid, call it something else. Kind of like a mid engine Corvette.

It's like making a front wheel drive porsche 911 Turbo and calling it a 911 Turbo.
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Diesel, its more cost effective. I think
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Have you seen the Diesel prices lately!?! Not cheap at all...
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Have you seen the Diesel prices lately!?! Not cheap at all...
no, but its more efficient. And the cost of a hybrid system is very expensive. diesels are just a little more expensive than a gas engine. So I think that a diesel would be more cost effective, I'm not sure though
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Old 04-17-2008, 11:14 AM   #6
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I'd go no on diesel, in some areas around here it's over $4.00 a gal.
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I'd be happy with E85, if its affordable and becomes widely available...
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I'd rock E85, but I wouldn't mind seeing diesels rolling around.
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Hybrid diesel, please.

I like the hybrid system that's in the GM full size pickups. You can plug in mains-powered stuff and run it off the hybrid's batteries / engine!
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I'd be happy with E85, if its affordable and becomes widely available...
i could do that, but no diesel or hybrid
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You're really missing the point if your issue with diesel is high fuel prices for two reasons 1) It's seasonal 2) gas will not stay $4/gallon forever, it's only going to get more expensive. How diesel will stack up against it is anyones guess, but I can tell you there are far more possibilities with making diesel cleaner and more efficient through use of naturally occurring substances like algae (and others) than gasoline. The fact that you still get better fuel economy with diesel than gas doesn't change; you'll be making far less stops to refuel on diesel than you ever will with gas.
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E85 definetly, hybrid maybe if it was the only way I could get a Camaro. But diesel, I don't want black smoke coming out of my Camaro, just white clouds coming from the rear wheels.
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^Spy Hunter ring a bell? hehe...smokescreen option? lol...

Diesels can burn cleaner...some of our top luxury veh's of today are running quite well on diesel. I wouldn't rule it out...and they're quiet too! I would never rule out a possibility w/out having solid facts.
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Have you seen the Diesel prices lately!?! Not cheap at all...
Higher....but you can go so much further on a diesel. How about 800 miles on 15 gallon of gas sound? Our Diesel TDI jetta's have done it.
I am still trying to decide if I want to sell my TDI just to buy another gas hog..
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E85 definetly, hybrid maybe if it was the only way I could get a Camaro. But diesel, I don't want black smoke coming out of my Camaro, just white clouds coming from the rear wheels.
White smoke wont come from a Turbo Injected Diesel camaro if there was one. Id would have enough torque to kick you in the back seat.
Problem would be getting the HP ratings up, but it could be done.
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^Spy Hunter ring a bell? hehe...smokescreen option? lol...

Diesels can burn cleaner...some of our top luxury veh's of today are running quite well on diesel. I wouldn't rule it out...and they're quiet too! I would never rule out a possibility w/out having solid facts.
Most European's drive more diesel's than Gas cars...
And yes, they are not the black smoke belchin' piece of crap they were in the early 80's. You will see GM pushing the clean diesels more and more this year and next year to compete with VW and other automakers.
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Higher....but you can go so much further on a diesel. How about 800 miles on 15 gallon of gas sound? Our Diesel TDI jetta's have done it.
I am still trying to decide if I want to sell my TDI just to buy another gas hog..
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Given the much higher cost of diesels over gasoline engines, plus the increased cost of diesel against the cost of gasoline (and the gap will only get worse given our very limited capacity to produce diesel) it will be very difficult for the reduced consumption to make up for the higher costs.
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if i had to chose one diesel because of the massive torque it puts out, the problem in HP
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if i had to chose one diesel because of the massive torque it puts out, the problem in HP
If you buy a diesel block, it's forged stronger for the higher compression, Convert that to gas and you have a pretty solid block for adding boost easily.
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Also, keep in mind diesels last longer and require less maintenance than comparable gas engines.
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They also run without sparkplugs. So once it's started, you can run the engine until you run out of gas without worrying about sparkplugs, unless you turn it off.
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I've never heard of that. Got any sources for that information?

Making diesel or gasoline out of dinosaur juice is approximately the same, they just adjust the settings on the hydrocracker to make more of one or the other.

OTOH, when making renewable fuels, it's somewhat easier to make biodiesel than it is to make ethanol.
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They also run without sparkplugs. So once it's started, you can run the engine until you run out of gas without worrying about sparkplugs, unless you turn it off.
Yeah the old ones could run all day with a dead battery and a broken alternator belt. Unfortunatly the modern ones are comuter controlled...
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Given the much higher cost of diesels over gasoline engines, plus the increased cost of diesel against the cost of gasoline (and the gap will only get worse given our very limited capacity to produce diesel) it will be very difficult for the reduced consumption to make up for the higher costs.
I looked at the '06 VW Beetle because I know it was offered with both gas and diesel engines.

At $4/gal $50 buys 12.5 gallons of gas which should be good for 331.25 miles at 26.5 MPG (average of the highway and city). The turbo diesel gets 40.5 so it would only needs 8.2 gallons to go the same 331.25 miles. That means you come out ahead $/mile until diesel reaches $6.11/gal while gas is still $4/gal.

I think diesel is still under $5 in western WA, so the $1,720 difference in MSRPs is probably worth paying.

BTW: In the city the breakeven price is $6.73 and on the highway it is $5.68.
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