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Old 08-17-2009, 12:55 PM   #1
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2010 ss stock vs 2000 ls1 z28 w/ full exhaust and air lid? anyone seen this?

has any one seen a stock 2010 ss vs a ls1 car with full exhaust(long tubes) and a air lid?
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Old 08-17-2009, 12:57 PM   #2
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No, but I've been thinking about putting both of mine together. But all I can do is drive one car at a time right now. Both cars are as stock as a box of crackers.
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I gaurantee if its a 01-02 SS it would put down a beating! The LS1 car is atleast 400lbs lighter...
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That would be an epic beat down...my stock LS1 car would be a very close race with the 2010 SS trapping slightly higher and (with a few certain members here driving) trumping me by a few tenths easily (my best is only a 13.1 @ 108mph). With full exhaust and intake the LS1 car is going to see a large gain in power and putting the LS1 on top everytime.

Mod for mod.. now that would be interesting (I would put my money on the LS3 though).

ericsnow25 - FWIW my car (2001 Z28 T-Top M6) was 3440lbs full weight (full tank of gas) just a couple of months ago.
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Old 08-17-2009, 02:27 PM   #5
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I gaurantee if its a 01-02 SS it would put down a beating! The LS1 car is atleast 400lbs lighter...
No stock LS1 F-body has ever trapped 111MPH like the new SS has done.

Both drivers being equal, the '10 SS should pull the 01-02 car pretty good.
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Old 08-17-2009, 02:59 PM   #6
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No stock LS1 F-body has ever trapped 111MPH like the new SS has done.

Both drivers being equal, the '10 SS should pull the 01-02 car pretty good.
Who has trapped 111mph? Is it posted somewhere? (I missed it)
I see a tuned and catback at 111mph??

Speedy who has the fastest stock time I am aware of at the same track I run at went 109.08mph... I ran 108.59mph at the same track in my bone stock 2001 LS1 car. I wouldn't say the 10SS would pull the 01~02 'pretty good' to be honest. It should win but it would be VERY close.

beyond that we were not talking about a stock to stock comparison... the thread was about a full exhaust and lid ls1 car which should easily trap 112+mph (at a real track and not magazine numbers).
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Old 08-17-2009, 03:01 PM   #7
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Who has trapped 111mph? Is it posted somewhere? (I missed it)
All the major mags have. Edmunds, Motortrend, Car and Driver.

So the car is definitely capable of it with a good driver, but I haven't seen any owners on here hit that yet.
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Old 08-17-2009, 03:07 PM   #8
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All the major mags have. Edmunds, Motortrend, Car and Driver.

So the car is definitely capable of it with a good driver, but I haven't seen any owners on here hit that yet.
AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHAHA....

Here is the list of actual results from a track on this site...

NineBall on this site would DESTROY those magazine drivers in a heads up race... if you look up his driver credentials you will find that he is more capable than the minivan reviewers at Motortrend.

BONE STOCK:
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1. speedy6963 - 12.87 @ 109.08 (LS3,M6)
2. NineBall - 13.07 @ 109.07 mph (LS3, M6)
3. Matt (tunetime) - 13.25 @ 106. 4 mph (L99, A6)
4. Foglin - 13.28 @ 106.8 mph (LS3, M6)
5.Amwellls1 - 13.31 @ 107.0 mph (LS3, M6)
6. BLT4SPD - 13.58 @ 96.34 mph (L99,A6)
7. PatrickfromMD - 13.59 @ 104.55 (L99,A6)
8. I Am Legend - 13.82 @ 106.91 mph (LS3,M6)
9. Toehead93 - 13.86 @ 102.66 mph (L99,A6)
10. Pharmd - 13.90 @ 102.3 mph ( L99, A6)


I would suggest you read up on why Magazine times != Track times before you reply. It will be easier on all of us.

Edit: I was going to be nice but I saw how you treated others in the Evo thread...

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Old 08-17-2009, 03:14 PM   #9
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i for got to mention the ls1 i am talking about has a mosser 12 bolt rear end with a 4.10 which means weighs at least 75lbs more than the stock rear end trust me i put it in..plus a he had it tuned....with that being said whats the power to weight ratio of both cars????do the number im thinking real close
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Old 08-17-2009, 03:52 PM   #10
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Well... I will use my curb + 75lbs to match the rear swap.

I made 321rwhp with an FRA through the OEM paper filter... 350rwhp with a tuned full exhaust/intake LS1 car isn't out of the question at all so I will use that for my base. Might be less might be more but it should illustrate the point rather well I think.

3440 + 75lbs
LS1 F-Body - 3515 / 350rwhp (15% DTL = 410 crank) = 8.57
LS3 F-Body - 3849 / 360rwhp (15% DTL = 425 crank) = 9.05
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Old 08-17-2009, 05:35 PM   #11
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so should be a close race ......?
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Old 08-18-2009, 08:36 AM   #12
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so should be a close race ......?
Look at the weight difference and look at the rwhp numbers. It might be close I guess depending on what you call close though. The best a stock 2010 Camaro SS has done so far is 12.87 @ 109mph....the best a bone stock LS1 Camaro has done is 12.89 @ 108mph (nineball might have that beat can't remember).. now add a lot more power to the LS1 car and leave the LS3 car the way it currently is and it's going to tip the balance in favor of the LS1 car.

One thing that will also make a difference (putting some 4th gens higher than others) is that 01+ models have the LS6 Intake and a truck cam that gives a boost to low end power. It didn't bump peak numbers much but power under the curve improved and mods like LTs and Intake give better increases with the LS6 intake than the LS1 intake. (in other words I am giving best case numbers using an 01+ model...a 98~00 LS1 car might be a few ticks slower or faster who knows.)

Here is Full exhaust, lid, clutch and Drs.
12.15 @ 114
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/drag-r...tock-pass.html

There is also a guy who claimed the below time on DRs, Headers only (no intake mods) but if you skim the thread you will see a lot of doubt.
12.557 @ 114.54
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/drag-r...114-54mph.html

It varies a lot (just like the results you see on here. DA is rarely good enough for a great pass so you see poor results from good drivers in bad DA and bad results from bad drivers regardless of DA). Driver to driver with equal conditions and the lighter car with close to the same power is going to walk away every time. IMHO.

Now that said the best pass done in a 2010 car was still in ~950DA and not negative DA at Atco so it's still possible that a freak 12.6~12.7 @ 110~111mph might occur this winter and that will change the perspective for me. As of right now with the information available I believe this to be accurate though.
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:25 AM   #13
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has any one seen a stock 2010 ss vs a ls1 car with full exhaust(long tubes) and a air lid?
not only have i seen it, i've done it.

i ahve a vid but i'm not going to link it though. you tube. 02 trans am ws6 vs 2010 camaro ss.
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Old 09-05-2009, 02:12 PM   #14
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AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHAHA....

Here is the list of actual results from a track on this site...

NineBall on this site would DESTROY those magazine drivers in a heads up race... if you look up his driver credentials you will find that he is more capable than the minivan reviewers at Motortrend.

BONE STOCK:
***all times verified***

1. speedy6963 - 12.87 @ 109.08 (LS3,M6)
2. NineBall - 13.07 @ 109.07 mph (LS3, M6)
3. Matt (tunetime) - 13.25 @ 106. 4 mph (L99, A6)
4. Foglin - 13.28 @ 106.8 mph (LS3, M6)
5.Amwellls1 - 13.31 @ 107.0 mph (LS3, M6)
6. BLT4SPD - 13.58 @ 96.34 mph (L99,A6)
7. PatrickfromMD - 13.59 @ 104.55 (L99,A6)
8. I Am Legend - 13.82 @ 106.91 mph (LS3,M6)
9. Toehead93 - 13.86 @ 102.66 mph (L99,A6)
10. Pharmd - 13.90 @ 102.3 mph ( L99, A6)


I would suggest you read up on why Magazine times != Track times before you reply. It will be easier on all of us.

Edit: I was going to be nice but I saw how you treated others in the Evo thread...


One tiny bit of information that is missing. These are summer track times. You can easily add 3 mph to these trap speeds this winter. By next Spring, the fastest stock 1/4 mile list will surely be different with higher trap speeds on average.

Heck, a stock L99 A6 ran 12.9 @ 108 mph in 68 degree air at New England Speedway. The LS3 M6's should have no trouble trapping 110 -112 mph at the faster tracks this winter.
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Old 09-06-2009, 04:30 PM   #15
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I have owned both as well, NO stock 01,02 ss is going to beat a A6 M6 10 SS with good drivers driving both cars
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That would be an epic beat down...my stock LS1 car would be a very close race with the 2010 SS trapping slightly higher and (with a few certain members here driving) trumping me by a few tenths easily (my best is only a 13.1 @ 108mph). With full exhaust and intake the LS1 car is going to see a large gain in power and putting the LS1 on top everytime.

Mod for mod.. now that would be interesting (I would put my money on the LS3 though).

ericsnow25 - FWIW my car (2001 Z28 T-Top M6) was 3440lbs full weight (full tank of gas) just a couple of months ago.
Epic beat down, hardly. I would give a slight edge to the LS1 because of headers but it's so close it's a drivers race.
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Epic beat down, hardly. I would give a slight edge to the LS1 because of headers but it's so close it's a drivers race.
So stock for stock what would you say? I want to know how an LS1 car that is running close to the same times bone stock as the 2010 SS doesn't get any faster with mods.
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So stock for stock what would you say? I want to know how an LS1 car that is running close to the same times bone stock as the 2010 SS doesn't get any faster with mods.
There's that little word again, "close". We have seen 12.8's from a bone stock LS3 5th gen. You're claiming 13.1 in the quarter. 3/10's is about the gain (30hp) from headers and exhaust. It will most certainly not be an "epic beat down". It will be a drivers race.

Stock for stock you're looking at 3/10's difference. We haven't seen a 2010 run in cool weather. I'll see you at the fall track rental.
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Old 09-08-2009, 02:42 PM   #19
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There's that little word again, "close". We have seen 12.8's from a bone stock LS3 5th gen. You're claiming 13.1 in the quarter. 3/10's is about the gain (30hp) from headers and exhaust. It will most certainly not be an "epic beat down". It will be a drivers race.
You're also assuming I can drive nearly as well as speedy...(which I know isn't true)...


Numerous people have run 12.8 ~ 12.9s in 4th gen LS1 cars (including Nineball).. I am simply not that good at driving, hell my Fiancee pulled a 13.17 on her 3rd pass at Cordova (and her first time at a track racing ever).


You can't look at my times vs the best times ever for a 5th gen and make a clean cut comparison. My 3 tenths can be made up by a better driver...it wouldn't take 30rwhp...(considering my pass was on a 2.15 60ft and I hit the rev limiter between shifts.) with equal drivers the LS1 is going to take this one hands down.


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Stock for stock you're looking at 3/10's difference.
It's only a 3/10s difference with me driving... put someone behind the wheel that can actually drive and the difference is no where near that large.

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We haven't seen a 2010 run in cool weather. I'll see you at the fall track rental.
I agree that we will probably see 12.7 from a stock SS at Atco in negative DA with 110~111 traps but it still doesn't take away from the fact that an LS1 4th is relatively close stock for stock (running high 12s and 108~109 traps on it's best passes) and adding 30rwhp is going to swing things in it's favor. If the 4th gen driver sucks and the 5th gen driver has his A game then I agree it's a drivers race.

See you at Cordova.
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I'll see you at the fall track rental.
Looks like I should have my clutch in by the rental..are you bringing the 2010? Maybe we should line them up and see how close it is without headers? If nothing else you can shut me up.
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Looks like I should have my clutch in by the rental..are you bringing the 2010? Maybe we should line them up and see how close it is without headers? If nothing else you can shut me up.
Yup I'll be there with the tank. I thought we already had a race for comparison sake locked in. Should be fun. This will be the first time taking the car down the track though and the first manual car down the 1320 for me. I'm hoping for the best!

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Yup I'll be there with the tank. I thought we already had a race for comparison sake locked in. Should be fun. This will be the first time taking the car down the track though and the first manual car down the 1320 for me. I'm hoping for the best!

Edit: I forgot I have a different S/N on here. I'm DarkSS from MFBA.
Yeah I put it together after I posted that. Trust me there is no hate... just benchracing at it's finest. If you skim my posts over there and here you won't find me in the 'tank' bashing threads. My only 'dislike' is the rearend.. aside from that you won't find any bashing on my part.
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I know I'm not trying to start any fights or any thing like that. Mutual respect here as well.
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I agree that we will probably see 12.7 from a stock SS at Atco in negative DA with 110~111 traps but it still doesn't take away from the fact that an LS1 4th is relatively close stock for stock (running high 12s and 108~109 traps on it's best passes) and adding 30rwhp is going to swing things in it's favor. If the 4th gen driver sucks and the 5th gen driver has his A game then I agree it's a drivers race.

See you at Cordova.
I think we may see a bit better than 12.7 in negative DA's because in 0 DA (which is what the DA calculator corrects to, yes?) people have already run 12.7's (both Nineball and Speedy's runs corrected to 12.7 in 0 DA). So I assume negative DA may push it up a tenth or two with a really good driver.
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i for got to mention the ls1 i am talking about has a mosser 12 bolt rear end with a 4.10 which means weighs at least 75lbs more than the stock rear end trust me i put it in..plus a he had it tuned....with that being said whats the power to weight ratio of both cars????do the number im thinking real close
Long tubes, a lid, and 4:10's? If the 4th gen found traction, it would not look good for a stock 5th gen.
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