Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
JUICEDMOTORSPORTS
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > Engine | Drivetrain | Powertrain Technical Discussions > Forced Induction - V8


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 06-11-2010, 06:17 PM   #85
Granatelli
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 2SS Victory Red
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Oxnard
Posts: 1,093
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob2010ss View Post
JR great insightful post

i am in toronto Canada area

in the past i have owned 2 87 grand nationals

so i like the turbo feel and sound

now i have a 2010 ss2 6 spd manual

i was leaning to a procharger system through the advise of a friend who works with them on many applications

i have a cousin who has an 80 vette 350ci stroked out to 383
heads done, cam

he installed an sts turbo system
8 lbs of boost he ran 10.91 with 1.72 short time on street tires

car squats hooks and goes

after reading all this i will look into turbo set up for mine

it is a daily driver...bone stock but is getting lowered 1inch with eibach springs and maybe an axle back borla s system just for extra growl

what do you recommend

gas is always 91 from shell but 94 from sunoco is also available

thanks

BOB
We have everything you need -







If you prefer I can jack up the numbers so it looks like you make tons more power than possible

And we have springs too




You will love the turbo. it is the way to go and worth every penny

Last edited by Granatelli; 06-30-2010 at 06:31 PM.
Granatelli is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2010, 02:09 PM   #86
sandman69
 
sandman69's Avatar
 
Drives: Lucille
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Maryville, Tenn.
Posts: 16
What's the opinion on the Hellion twin turbo or Supercharched big kit Kennebell?
sandman69 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2010, 02:54 PM   #87
Granatelli
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 2SS Victory Red
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Oxnard
Posts: 1,093
The opinion was go with Granatelli Twin Turbo or the Maggie TVS2300 - or both






Last edited by Granatelli; 06-30-2010 at 06:31 PM.
Granatelli is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2010, 03:17 PM   #88
HELLION TURBO

 
HELLION TURBO's Avatar
 
Drives: Twin Turbo SS
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico
Posts: 164


click above to view Hellion's latest offering.
HELLION TURBO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2010, 04:58 PM   #89
dracer98
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 2010 Hugger Orange
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Ventura
Posts: 120
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff@HellionPowerSystems View Post


click above to view Hellion's latest offering.
Just a few questions?

How does 5.5lbs of boost make 587hp and 597 ft/lbs? Assuming the stock engine made 370 rwhp - 5.5psi would produce 510hp at 100% efficiency - If you are quoting crank hp then 425 would turn into 586 - you must be quoting Eng hp not rear wheel.

7.5lbs would be 642 eng hp.

Your numbers make perfect sense and your video is a nice puff piece for Hellion. How do you tame down the compressor nice?

Can you really make 646hp with a 52lb injector? – What pump does that require?
dracer98 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2010, 02:07 PM   #90
alab32
 
alab32's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Tucson area
Posts: 504
Quote:
Originally Posted by Granatelli View Post
A turbo is not equal to a SC in power and efficiency - the Turbo is flat out better 90% of the time - It is just what it costs (not just dollars) to get there sometimes that scares people.
So what are the other costs getting there? I know that you have to worry about heat and what not but...
alab32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2010, 02:33 PM   #91
Granatelli
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 2SS Victory Red
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Oxnard
Posts: 1,093
Quote:
Originally Posted by alab32 View Post
So what are the other costs getting there? I know that you have to worry about heat and what not but...
The reference was to upgrades to the engine if you plan to go over 625 rwhp (750 crank). There is no heat to speak of with the new GMS/TTi system as the turbos are under the car and get a cooling effect as you go down the road. In fact, we are conducting a study right now that shows the stock cats at WOT for 10 seconds are already 90 degrees hotter then teh GMS/TTi turbo for the same time frame. The longer at WOT the better the turbos look.

The same can be said for long tubes with micro cats - they produce as much or more heat then the turbos do in that location. All of a sudden the turbos are look'n REAL good in a comparo to any of the systems out there

Last edited by Granatelli; 06-27-2010 at 12:34 PM.
Granatelli is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2010, 02:34 PM   #92
Granatelli
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 2SS Victory Red
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Oxnard
Posts: 1,093
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff@HellionPowerSystems View Post


click above to view Hellion's latest offering.
Quote:
Originally Posted by dracer98 View Post
Just a few questions?

How does 5.5lbs of boost make 587hp and 597 ft/lbs? Assuming the stock engine made 370 rwhp - 5.5psi would produce 510hp at 100% efficiency - If you are quoting crank hp then 425 would turn into 586 - you must be quoting Eng hp not rear wheel.

7.5lbs would be 642 eng hp.

Your numbers make perfect sense and your video is a nice puff piece for Hellion. How do you tame down the compressor nice?

Can you really make 646hp with a 52lb injector? – What pump does that require?
Did you ever get an answer to this?
Granatelli is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2010, 03:00 PM   #93
alab32
 
alab32's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Tucson area
Posts: 504
Quote:
Originally Posted by Granatelli View Post
The reference was to upgrades tot he engine if you plan to go over 625 rwhp (750 crank). There is no heat to speak of witht he new GMS/TTi system as the turbos are under the car and get a cooling effect as you go down the road. In fact, we are conducting a study right now that shows the stock cats at WOT for 10 seconds are already 90 degrees hotter then teh GMS/TTi turbo for the same time frame. The longer at WOT the better the turbos look.

The same can be said for long tubes with micro cats - they produce as much or more heat then the turbos do in that location. All of a sudden the turbos are look'n REAL good in a comparo to any of the systems out there
Sweet... I didnt think heat was an issue with the lower mount but... I was trying to think of non-monetary costs that it seemed you were referring to. I would love nothing more than to buy your system right now... But it is looking like I will have to wait to closer to the end of the year if I get a contract I am looking for. Thank you for your info. You have been a huge help on this topic.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Granatelli View Post
Did you ever get an answer to this?
I was wondering that myself...
alab32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-27-2010, 12:45 PM   #94
Granatelli
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 2SS Victory Red
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Oxnard
Posts: 1,093
Got a 2011 5.0 Mustang last night. We had beem working on the twin turbo kit for that as well. Customer wanted car back so I had to but my own. It is no personality like the Camaro. If fact there was a black 2010 Camaro in the parking lot like 20 feet from a black 2010 Mustang. Even in a sea of Mustangs, the 1 Camaro was best in class.

Driving it home, it seemed unstable by comparison to the Camaro as well. Lets see how the 4 cammer responds to boostage. I have a feeling lbs for lbs of boost the Mustang will react better based on the split cam profiles.

As to the question posed, if I did not explain properly, a hydrid roots blower or centrifugal or whatever supercharger might seem like less money to purchase but when you factor in you need to push long tubes, a CAI and quite possibly a cam then compound the labor to do all that and the Turbo System looks cost effective.
Granatelli is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2010, 01:41 PM   #95
IPSjeff
 
Drives: 2009 ZR1
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 651
Since this thread is stickied I will toss up our 6-speed TT results in here for reference:

663rwhp and 649 ft/lbs of torque on 8psi
581rwhp and 564 ft/lbs of torque on 5psi

Info here:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91275
IPSjeff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2010, 01:45 PM   #96
radz28
Petro-sexual
 
radz28's Avatar
 
Drives: Ultra-Grin
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Crapramento, Crapifornia
Posts: 13,057
Sweet! Thanks! I'll be updating as we move along.
__________________
05 Hummer H2 SUV on OEM Air Ride
Forged 11.1:1 408 LQ4 (K1 crank & rods; Mahle pistons)/CPP LS3 CNC heads/BTR Stage IV LS3 cam and valvetrain/home ported L92 intake manifold/ported 90mm TB/custom Volant CAI/mid-length headers/AFE dual 3" CB/Corvette Servo/el cheapo lift/Cognito UCAs/e'fan conversion/aluminum radiator/Moroso catchcan/HPTuners by me/LED exterior lighting/Pioneer AVH-5600BHS/Pioneer GM-9601/2-Pioneer TS-W310D4/Obcon Labyrinth dual-12 box/lots of other stuff
radz28 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2010, 09:55 AM   #97
z28xtreme
 
Drives: #17 Pontiac G8 GT
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Germany
Posts: 20
not trying to start anything with you granatelli as you are way more intelligent on turbos than I. what i do see a problem with was you were knocking ipsjeff on his kit for making something around 650 hp at 7psi not sure if it was SAE corrected or not. wouldn't your kit make something around 640 at 7 psi putting it within 2 percent of his kit?

i only bring this up because you were knocking the validity of his numbers. with the numbers you are showing here, you either were knocking jeff's kit for no reason or you decided to bump your hp numbers up just to compete? not sure which way it is.

i know as him being a vendor he wont say anything, but i just felt i had to say something.

i will be buying one of your guys kits...wont be for another year till i get out of germany though.

just keep up the good work and make me miss the states even more...
z28xtreme is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2010, 05:47 PM   #98
Granatelli
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 2SS Victory Red
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Oxnard
Posts: 1,093
Quote:
Originally Posted by z28xtreme View Post
not trying to start anything with you granatelli as you are way more intelligent on turbos than I. what i do see a problem with was you were knocking ipsjeff on his kit for making something around 650 hp at 7psi not sure if it was SAE corrected or not. wouldn't your kit make something around 640 at 7 psi putting it within 2 percent of his kit?

i only bring this up because you were knocking the validity of his numbers. with the numbers you are showing here, you either were knocking jeff's kit for no reason or you decided to bump your hp numbers up just to compete? not sure which way it is.

i know as him being a vendor he wont say anything, but i just felt i had to say something.

i will be buying one of your guys kits...wont be for another year till i get out of germany though.

just keep up the good work and make me miss the states even more...
I was being sarcastic - sorry

We are letting our quality, fit and finish speak for itself. Our numbers are real world. But like it has been said, it is hard to compare differnet cars on different dynos on different days.

Half to STOCK dyno claims are already 30 or 40 hp higher than what we see from the dealer
Granatelli is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Tracking All Currently Known US VIN and Window Stickers - Order Tracking Thread UCF w00t Camaro Price | Ordering | Tracking | Dealers Discussions 4242 02-17-2014 08:57 PM
PWA "The Lounge" DGthe3 Off-topic Discussions 143773 11-06-2010 11:00 AM
Really? Why is the DealerInfo Thread Gone? renderinfo 5th Gen Camaro SS LS LT General Discussions 2 02-11-2009 08:01 AM
Changing Photoshop Thread Format headpunter Site Related Announcements / Suggestions / Feedback / Questions 20 11-06-2008 05:40 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:10 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.