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Old 08-20-2009, 07:52 PM   #1
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Exclamation Blackstone Labs OIL report at 1270 miles...

As reported on homepage.


Hey everyone!



Most of the time I do an oil report from Blackstone Labs on a few of my cars to see what is going on inside, kinda like blood work Anyway, for the heck of it, I sent in my first oil sample from the new Camaro, at it was at 1270 miles. Here is what the oil experts had to say:

We typically find a lot of metals and silicon in the oil from new engines. The metals are from new parts wearing in while the silicon is from lubes and sealers used during engine assembly. All should decrease after future oil changes, with copper taking the longest to settle down. Oil filtration (see insolubles) was excellent and we did not find any moisture, coolant, or gasoline in the oil. This type of V-8 takes its time wearing-in so we suggest short (~1500-mile) oil changes as a steady diet up to ~10,000 miles. This should be a nice engine for you.

I can send the file to someone w/ ALL of the metal wear stats, ect. This is a very nice lengthy report, and if you are interested in seeing all the metal wear, info, ect. just send me a PM.

I have been using Blackstone Labs since 99 and they have been right on every time....

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Old 08-20-2009, 08:56 PM   #2
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very interesting, thanks for sharing
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If you want to send me the file I'll change it to pdf and host it.
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Change the oil every 1,500 miles till 10,000? Wow, interesting suggestion.
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I would be interested in seeing the full file as well, and will see about getting mine done as well after a) break-in and b) after 5,000 km

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I'm breaking mine in with measured run-ups in 2nd gear and then backing off the gas and letting the engine slow down the car with engine braking. I changed the oil and filter at 65 miles to clear out the metals and junk that were in there from assembly at the plant. I switched to non-synthetic to aid in the break-in and because I'm going to change it again at 1500 miles. The synthetics are too good and can actually interfere with engine break-in and rings seating properly.

Another reason for changing the oil and filter at 65 miles was to make sure I wasn't circulating those metals and stuff through the engine and everything else while breaking in the engine. At 1500 miles I'll change to a synthetic; break-in will be done by then.
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If you want to send me the file I'll change it to pdf and host it.
I can do that....can you PM me your email address?

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Old 08-21-2009, 11:14 AM   #8
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Blackstone is EXCELLENT! I used them for both my 98 and 02 WS6's. I had 165k on the 98 when sold in Feb. The LSX engines are great if you take care of them. She didn't blow any oil, burned none and the reports came back excellent up until last check at 158k.

Pennzoil Platinum oil, K&N/Mobil1 filters and changed every 5-7k. Broke it in hard and never babied her.
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Old 08-21-2009, 11:20 AM   #9
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Excellent info. I changed mine at 900miles and then again at 5000 miles, so a little late for me to do the 1500 mile thing. But this Mobile 1 Syhetic isn't cheap ! Thanks again, nice stuff.
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Old 08-21-2009, 12:37 PM   #11
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I'm breaking mine in with measured run-ups in 2nd gear and then backing off the gas and letting the engine slow down the car with engine braking. I changed the oil and filter at 65 miles to clear out the metals and junk that were in there from assembly at the plant. I switched to non-synthetic to aid in the break-in and because I'm going to change it again at 1500 miles. The synthetics are too good and can actually interfere with engine break-in and rings seating properly.

Another reason for changing the oil and filter at 65 miles was to make sure I wasn't circulating those metals and stuff through the engine and everything else while breaking in the engine. At 1500 miles I'll change to a synthetic; break-in will be done by then.
I've seen this on other automotive and motorcycle forums. It seems logical. Will I void my warranty if I take out the synthetic? Once I hit 1500 miles I'll replace with synthetic again.
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1500,4500,6000,7500,9000...then what? when the computer tells you to change it?
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wow that'd be every week and a half for me...
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wow that'd be every week and a half for me...
LOLZ haha every 1500 is a bit much for sure, blackstone must be teamed up with the oil companies.
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Old 08-21-2009, 02:56 PM   #16
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Thanks for sharing that info.

To all,
Here is the link to GM Approved Engine Oils lists regarding GM4718M (for V8, High Performance) and GM6094M (for V6, Standard):
http://www.gm.com/corporate/responsi...ngine_oils.pdf

This may have been posted before, but I thought it would help.
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Doc hit it right on the button.I am a seasoned engine builer/rebuilder, and an adamant about getting those nasty metals and contaminants out of there as quickly as possible.And also, I'm kinda scratching my head as to why these new engines have synthetic in them.It's great after break in, but it really hinders the seating of the valves and rings.Hmm, well, they did create the Internal combustion wonder we all know as the LS.Regardless, i'm still getting that mobile 1 out of there asap until she's broken in.Now, do realize,that metals do aid in the break in process as a honig,or lapping agent.I just like to get th big chunks out as soom as possible!Take care of that bowtie, and it WILL thake care of you!God bless the General.
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awesome info thanks i didn't even know you could do this thats really cool
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Old 08-21-2009, 03:55 PM   #19
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Here's a couple reports from our BMW 335i for comparison:
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Wow...I've never heard or been advised to change oil every 1500 miles! That almost seems as if you're throwing money out the window because of the excessive oil change costs.

The engine doesn't take 10k miles to break in...if you've still got shavings in your oil after the first or second oil change than you've got a problem. In fact over everything I've studied--it all points to the fact that people are sometimes changing their oils TOO often--though thats relative since everyone's driving habits and conditions will vary.

So did they have results to back up their recommendation for the 1500 mi oil change intervals? Meaning something that proved that not doing so would hurt the longevity of the engine?
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Yeah, I'm not really going for the 1500 mile oil change. Good info though, I've always wanted to have my oil analyzed
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GREAT INFORMATION I WILL TRY AT 1500 JUST HAVE 200 ON IT NOW
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I've seen this on other automotive and motorcycle forums. It seems logical. Will I void my warranty if I take out the synthetic? Once I hit 1500 miles I'll replace with synthetic again.
You'll be fine; you're only doing it for the first 1500 miles specifically for break-in. Switch to a good synthetic at 1500 and you'll have a strong, reliable engine for a long time.
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I'm breaking mine in with measured run-ups in 2nd gear and then backing off the gas and letting the engine slow down the car with engine braking. I changed the oil and filter at 65 miles to clear out the metals and junk that were in there from assembly at the plant. I switched to non-synthetic to aid in the break-in and because I'm going to change it again at 1500 miles. The synthetics are too good and can actually interfere with engine break-in and rings seating properly.

Another reason for changing the oil and filter at 65 miles was to make sure I wasn't circulating those metals and stuff through the engine and everything else while breaking in the engine. At 1500 miles I'll change to a synthetic; break-in will be done by then.
I have done this EVERY time on the vehicles i have owned including motorcycles, it's honestly IMO the best way to do it. I flogged the car for 250miles and changed the oil...then been easy on it since for the drivetrain, just changed the oil today at 1500miles...

Good to go now...engine is strong and drive train feels spot on.

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I did my first oil change at 650 miles. its the first car i had that is recommened synthetic only. i will change the oil every 3k miles. all my cars in the past with regular oil i changed the oil & filter every 1500 miles and never any problems .
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