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Old 09-13-2009, 08:30 PM   #26
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the only intelligent cai so far other than stock is gmpp retain the stock box with a bigger box for more volume and a tube without resonators
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Old 09-13-2009, 09:32 PM   #27
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Where on the ZZ website is this product offered?
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Old 09-13-2009, 10:31 PM   #28
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the Roto-fab seats to the hood, instead of a lid. The intake tube is screwed to the box. It seals across the bottom and up the fender well. The only place left to draw air it the front of the box, where the stock use to, and more volumn coming through the grill. Not sure what a lid adds that sealing to the hood would not.

I don't have a baseline, but am planning on getting my car dynoed this week, if I can find someone that knows what they are doing in my area.
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Old 09-13-2009, 10:35 PM   #29
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Scott,

Will post numbers. I believe it will gain 1000 hp and 1005 torque..........just kidding. I had to spend my money on something. Seemed good at the time. If I get a maggie, it will mate up real well.

You all need to stop making me fel bad.....

If you paint it like mine, you get 1000 bitchen points in your own mind everytime you open your hood.
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Old 09-14-2009, 12:50 AM   #30
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Scott,

Will post numbers. I believe it will gain 1000 hp and 1005 torque..........just kidding. I had to spend my money on something. Seemed good at the time. If I get a maggie, it will mate up real well.

You all need to stop making me fel bad.....

If you paint it like mine, you get 1000 bitchen points in your own mind everytime you open your hood.
LOL, that does look great.
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Old 09-14-2009, 07:35 AM   #31
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the Roto-fab seats to the hood, instead of a lid. The intake tube is screwed to the box. It seals across the bottom and up the fender well. The only place left to draw air it the front of the box, where the stock use to, and more volumn coming through the grill. Not sure what a lid adds that sealing to the hood would not.

I don't have a baseline, but am planning on getting my car dynoed this week, if I can find someone that knows what they are doing in my area.
We've been involved in a great deal of testing on an engine dyno with enclosed air boxes. Engine dynos are good for this because they take some of the variables out of the equation when testing various designs.
We've learned one general rule-more space around the filter means more power.
We ran box configurations in different sizes, with and without a lid, no lid and a hole cut in the box and finally no box at all. Each time we created more space around the filter, we gained power. If you can install a 2' cube to mount the filter, that's ideal!
With packaging considerations, it's not very realistic though.
The other issue is filter size-generally, bigger is better. However, an increase in filter size or changing the shape for packaging can have negative effects. The filter itself can block air from traveling around to other areas of the filter if it's too close to a wall. This reduces the effective size of the filter regardless of it's physical size.
Our approach is to use as large of a filter as possible while leaving as much room as possible around the filter. Using the hood as the lid maximizes the space available. It is important to seal off engine/radiator heat, so we do effectively address that issue as well.
We have incorporated many features in this intake that are a direct result of extensive testing and engine dyno results. With N/A vehicles, all of the "little things" really do make a difference, especially in actual driving conditions.

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Old 09-14-2009, 09:14 AM   #32
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Another happy customer here too, had mine installed on friday and im loving it.

Kudos to roto-fab for an excellent product with top notch instructions and a dynamite sound!
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Old 09-14-2009, 09:45 AM   #33
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It's great you're getting an imprint from your own setup, but that's not true for most.

I've heard good things about Roto-Fab and I enjoyed reading your write up. To each there own though.
Mine seals perfect and after a long drive you can FEEL the temperature difference so it is working.
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Old 09-14-2009, 09:54 AM   #34
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Yeah, what they said.........................

Will also try to get video with sound. The improvement there was awesome.
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Old 09-14-2009, 02:54 PM   #35
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another for Roto-Fab.
Like most of you, it took me weeks to decide which CAI to go with, $$ is not an issue but the most important things to me are/were
1. Customer Service!!!!
2. Fit, Appearance, and Product Quality (apperance being subjective but R-F CAI looked best to me)
3. Ease of installation (I didn't want to make cuts or reposition anything to fit a CAI)
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I chose Roto-Fab
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4. People who bought this CAI have the same positive feedback.
5. I mentioned I have OCD. The 90º NPT/Barb fitting didn't quite thread into the intake tube deep enough for my satisfaction (probably ok with the next person) so I PMed Mike about it and what does he do? He immediately sends me a new intake elbow, a new NPT/barb fitting, a new breather hose, and something else extra which is a really really nice bonus!!!! That sir, is nothing less than OUTSTANDING CUSTOMER SERVICE!

I have no regrets choosing the Roto-Fab CAI and I highly recommend it.

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Old 09-14-2009, 03:00 PM   #36
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Old 09-16-2009, 12:21 AM   #37
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We've been involved in a great deal of testing on an engine dyno with enclosed air boxes. Engine dynos are good for this because they take some of the variables out of the equation when testing various designs.
We've learned one general rule-more space around the filter means more power.
We ran box configurations in different sizes, with and without a lid, no lid and a hole cut in the box and finally no box at all. Each time we created more space around the filter, we gained power. If you can install a 2' cube to mount the filter, that's ideal!
With packaging considerations, it's not very realistic though.
The other issue is filter size-generally, bigger is better. However, an increase in filter size or changing the shape for packaging can have negative effects. The filter itself can block air from traveling around to other areas of the filter if it's too close to a wall. This reduces the effective size of the filter regardless of it's physical size.
Our approach is to use as large of a filter as possible while leaving as much room as possible around the filter. Using the hood as the lid maximizes the space available. It is important to seal off engine/radiator heat, so we do effectively address that issue as well.
We have incorporated many features in this intake that are a direct result of extensive testing and engine dyno results. With N/A vehicles, all of the "little things" really do make a difference, especially in actual driving conditions.

This solidifies my Rot fab order. Not only does the RF look good, the gains are decent, and the install looks easy. You can also custom order each part to your liking. Comparing with others.. hennssey looks good, but people are selling theirs on ebay b/c of heat issues, LMR, although great, just doesn't cut it with the look. and Vararam looks like 2 plastic lunch boxes.
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Old 09-16-2009, 12:54 AM   #38
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mmmmmmmmm.....................lunch

I agree +1

LMR's tube pushes through the hole in the box, which will leak more air from eng.comp. The fitment of the box to the wheel well leaves a lot to be desired. Air cleaner a little small.
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Old 09-20-2009, 01:59 AM   #39
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If Rf didn't make a unit, I would get the LMR. Then just have it painted.
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Old 09-20-2009, 05:27 PM   #40
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I have a question what about the gap at both corners with this intake that everyone seems to forget about so soon? Doesn't that provide alot of heat from the engine compartment to enter the intake. I would like to see pics showing how big those 2 gaps are and an explanation as to how much this affects the temps.
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Old 09-20-2009, 07:42 PM   #41
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I have a question what about the gap at both corners with this intake that everyone seems to forget about so soon? Doesn't that provide alot of heat from the engine compartment to enter the intake. I would like to see pics showing how big those 2 gaps are and an explanation as to how much this affects the temps.
Are you talking about the corner to the right of the ROTO-FAB text on the right and the corner towards the front of the car? If you look back at my pics in the OP you'll see that I added an additional piece of weatherstripping to that location. It was more for looks to me than anything. I gave it a more finished look.

Trust me, like I and many others have already posted, these areas are adding negligible heat in those areas if any at all. I've checked mine multiple times and gotten other people to feel the heat difference and it is doing what it needs to do. If you are that concerned over these small areas, don't even look at an LMR..........it has no weatherstripping for sealing and it's open all around the plastic airbox they provide.
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I'm just calling people out about saying it is fully sealed when its not. I hope they will make it in ibm soon.
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Old 09-20-2009, 08:03 PM   #43
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I'm just calling people out about saying it is fully sealed when its not. I hope they will make it in ibm soon.
Look...........it's sealed at the top to the hood..........nobody ever said it was 100% sealed completely. The factory airbox isn't even 100% sealed. The bottom intake behind the radiator doesn't even get close so you know it's sucking in hot engine bay air.

Go get an ADM if that's what you want a 100% sealed system, but the RF is obviously working and producing excellent gains.

And I believe they are powder-coating the RF airbox to multiple colors. You just have to ask for it.
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so would some one mind explaining to me where the cold air is coming from? think people need to rename it sra for short ram air. i know it makes a diff couse less restrictions but i still dont see where the intake is getting air. i would think its suffering. maybe open the whole on the splash guard and see what that does.
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so would some one mind explaining to me where the cold air is coming from? think people need to rename it sra for short ram air. i know it makes a diff couse less restrictions but i still dont see where the intake is getting air. i would think its suffering. maybe open the whole on the splash guard and see what that does.
The air is coming from the same location that the factory pickup was getting it, through the grille. This setup allows for more volume of air to the airbox since it's not restricted to the small factory pickup. See pics of removed factory pick-up in OP.

More volume of air in, larger surface area of filtration device = more HP.
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Old 09-20-2009, 08:36 PM   #46
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So how much is one of these powder-coated?
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The box comes powder coated in a few different colors or they will do custom color match. I got mine in black and had the 2 plastic tube pieces and the box painted to match the car when I had the eng. cover done. They also have a polished alum. tube, but the concern is heat sink with the metal and heat transfer to the air traveling through it. Don't know if it is enough to worry about. Get what you think looks best. This isn't Nascar, where we are trying to squeeze every ounce of HP gain.........right?

Or are we?

Like the post above, the cold air come through the top and bottom driverside grill, to the side of the radiator.
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Just put my Borla S Type mufflers on this weekend and the Roto-Fab CAI. Both projects were real easy. Probably an hour and a half for each. Mostly due to reading and re-reading the directions to make sure I got it right. Nice low rumble now. I didn't hear the cabin drone people are talking about. The wife said it was fairly quiet crusing at 60 MPH or so. But when you hit the gas, she comes alive. As soon as I get the AR long tube headers cats and x pipe in I'll do a video. When everything is on, I'm going to get a tune and tune out the AFM anyway.

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Hello Mike
We just picked up our new Camaro and started searching for an intake. I know you do quality work and will probably buy a CAI from you. During your testing what gains did you get with your unit?
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