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Old 09-14-2009, 03:54 PM   #35
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another for Roto-Fab.
Like most of you, it took me weeks to decide which CAI to go with, $$ is not an issue but the most important things to me are/were
1. Customer Service!!!!
2. Fit, Appearance, and Product Quality (apperance being subjective but R-F CAI looked best to me)
3. Ease of installation (I didn't want to make cuts or reposition anything to fit a CAI)
4. Feedback from previous buyers
5. Customer Service!!!

I chose Roto-Fab
1. Mike responded to my PM promptly and addressed my questions
2. I found the product and install photos convincing and met my #2 expectation
3. I hate reading instructions! But even a caveman like me could have installed the Roto-Fab CAI without use of the very-well written stock airbox removal and Roto-Fab CAI installation instructions. I have OCD so I read and followed the instructions to the letter, step by step so it took me just over an hour to do the job. I read each step 2x. No cutting, no permanent repositioning of other parts to fit it.
4. People who bought this CAI have the same positive feedback.
5. I mentioned I have OCD. The 90º NPT/Barb fitting didn't quite thread into the intake tube deep enough for my satisfaction (probably ok with the next person) so I PMed Mike about it and what does he do? He immediately sends me a new intake elbow, a new NPT/barb fitting, a new breather hose, and something else extra which is a really really nice bonus!!!! That sir, is nothing less than OUTSTANDING CUSTOMER SERVICE!

I have no regrets choosing the Roto-Fab CAI and I highly recommend it.

Thank you Roto-Fab!
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Old 09-14-2009, 04:00 PM   #36
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Old 09-16-2009, 01:21 AM   #37
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We've been involved in a great deal of testing on an engine dyno with enclosed air boxes. Engine dynos are good for this because they take some of the variables out of the equation when testing various designs.
We've learned one general rule-more space around the filter means more power.
We ran box configurations in different sizes, with and without a lid, no lid and a hole cut in the box and finally no box at all. Each time we created more space around the filter, we gained power. If you can install a 2' cube to mount the filter, that's ideal!
With packaging considerations, it's not very realistic though.
The other issue is filter size-generally, bigger is better. However, an increase in filter size or changing the shape for packaging can have negative effects. The filter itself can block air from traveling around to other areas of the filter if it's too close to a wall. This reduces the effective size of the filter regardless of it's physical size.
Our approach is to use as large of a filter as possible while leaving as much room as possible around the filter. Using the hood as the lid maximizes the space available. It is important to seal off engine/radiator heat, so we do effectively address that issue as well.
We have incorporated many features in this intake that are a direct result of extensive testing and engine dyno results. With N/A vehicles, all of the "little things" really do make a difference, especially in actual driving conditions.

This solidifies my Rot fab order. Not only does the RF look good, the gains are decent, and the install looks easy. You can also custom order each part to your liking. Comparing with others.. hennssey looks good, but people are selling theirs on ebay b/c of heat issues, LMR, although great, just doesn't cut it with the look. and Vararam looks like 2 plastic lunch boxes.
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Old 09-16-2009, 01:54 AM   #38
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mmmmmmmmm.....................lunch

I agree +1

LMR's tube pushes through the hole in the box, which will leak more air from eng.comp. The fitment of the box to the wheel well leaves a lot to be desired. Air cleaner a little small.
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Old 09-20-2009, 02:59 AM   #39
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If Rf didn't make a unit, I would get the LMR. Then just have it painted.
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Old 09-20-2009, 06:27 PM   #40
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I have a question what about the gap at both corners with this intake that everyone seems to forget about so soon? Doesn't that provide alot of heat from the engine compartment to enter the intake. I would like to see pics showing how big those 2 gaps are and an explanation as to how much this affects the temps.
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Old 09-20-2009, 08:42 PM   #41
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I have a question what about the gap at both corners with this intake that everyone seems to forget about so soon? Doesn't that provide alot of heat from the engine compartment to enter the intake. I would like to see pics showing how big those 2 gaps are and an explanation as to how much this affects the temps.
Are you talking about the corner to the right of the ROTO-FAB text on the right and the corner towards the front of the car? If you look back at my pics in the OP you'll see that I added an additional piece of weatherstripping to that location. It was more for looks to me than anything. I gave it a more finished look.

Trust me, like I and many others have already posted, these areas are adding negligible heat in those areas if any at all. I've checked mine multiple times and gotten other people to feel the heat difference and it is doing what it needs to do. If you are that concerned over these small areas, don't even look at an LMR..........it has no weatherstripping for sealing and it's open all around the plastic airbox they provide.
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Old 09-20-2009, 08:59 PM   #42
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I'm just calling people out about saying it is fully sealed when its not. I hope they will make it in ibm soon.
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Old 09-20-2009, 09:03 PM   #43
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I'm just calling people out about saying it is fully sealed when its not. I hope they will make it in ibm soon.
Look...........it's sealed at the top to the hood..........nobody ever said it was 100% sealed completely. The factory airbox isn't even 100% sealed. The bottom intake behind the radiator doesn't even get close so you know it's sucking in hot engine bay air.

Go get an ADM if that's what you want a 100% sealed system, but the RF is obviously working and producing excellent gains.

And I believe they are powder-coating the RF airbox to multiple colors. You just have to ask for it.
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Old 09-20-2009, 09:09 PM   #44
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so would some one mind explaining to me where the cold air is coming from? think people need to rename it sra for short ram air. i know it makes a diff couse less restrictions but i still dont see where the intake is getting air. i would think its suffering. maybe open the whole on the splash guard and see what that does.
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Old 09-20-2009, 09:20 PM   #45
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so would some one mind explaining to me where the cold air is coming from? think people need to rename it sra for short ram air. i know it makes a diff couse less restrictions but i still dont see where the intake is getting air. i would think its suffering. maybe open the whole on the splash guard and see what that does.
The air is coming from the same location that the factory pickup was getting it, through the grille. This setup allows for more volume of air to the airbox since it's not restricted to the small factory pickup. See pics of removed factory pick-up in OP.

More volume of air in, larger surface area of filtration device = more HP.
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Old 09-20-2009, 09:36 PM   #46
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So how much is one of these powder-coated?
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Old 09-20-2009, 11:06 PM   #47
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The box comes powder coated in a few different colors or they will do custom color match. I got mine in black and had the 2 plastic tube pieces and the box painted to match the car when I had the eng. cover done. They also have a polished alum. tube, but the concern is heat sink with the metal and heat transfer to the air traveling through it. Don't know if it is enough to worry about. Get what you think looks best. This isn't Nascar, where we are trying to squeeze every ounce of HP gain.........right?

Or are we?

Like the post above, the cold air come through the top and bottom driverside grill, to the side of the radiator.
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Old 09-21-2009, 02:23 AM   #48
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Just put my Borla S Type mufflers on this weekend and the Roto-Fab CAI. Both projects were real easy. Probably an hour and a half for each. Mostly due to reading and re-reading the directions to make sure I got it right. Nice low rumble now. I didn't hear the cabin drone people are talking about. The wife said it was fairly quiet crusing at 60 MPH or so. But when you hit the gas, she comes alive. As soon as I get the AR long tube headers cats and x pipe in I'll do a video. When everything is on, I'm going to get a tune and tune out the AFM anyway.

I ordered everything from ZZMotorsports (zzcamaro here on camaro5). Fast service, good price and a nice guy.
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Old 09-24-2009, 11:18 AM   #49
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Hello Mike
We just picked up our new Camaro and started searching for an intake. I know you do quality work and will probably buy a CAI from you. During your testing what gains did you get with your unit?
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Ordered mine a couple days ago. Cant wait to get it.
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Old 09-24-2009, 10:31 PM   #51
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I just installed my RF CAI today. Just took it for a spin and man you can tell a difference in the seat plus it sounds better. I want the engine to look great so i got the polished tube with IBM air box and have chrome fuse relay cover and chrome engine covers with a IBM plenum coming as well... Can't wait to get them.

Mike was very helpful and will do just about anything you want with color and options! Better to call Mike as their site does not have all the options they offer yet.

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