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Old 04-24-2008, 01:10 AM   #1
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PLEASE READ........

( I know -- not the right forum --but if it saves a life -- it was the right thing to do......)

Good evening, my Camaro Comrades and Firebird Friends........


Spring is here - and most of us are getting our Firebirds and Camaros out of storage .....and can hardly wait to drive them.

Unfortunately most of us want to plant the pedal to the metal --

.......................and that's fine -- provided that it's done appropriately and in the right place and time.

My concern is that some of you may get a little *too excited* and perhaps decide to do a little street racing.

Our Friend -- Jason Ory at www.z28.com started a thread on his site talking about the horrors that can result from Street Racing..........and I thank him for bringing it to my attention.


I ask you to read something I wrote a couple of years back -- it's at the end of this email.......

We had a great Camaro/Firebird Gathering in Atlanta -- and unfortunately things got out of control late at night -- and two of our Camaro Comrades died that night...............

All because of Street Racing.............

Please -- I beg you -- read the following -- and PROMISE ME -- that you will not street race -- and that you will wear your safety belts at ALL TIMES -- and that goes for all of your passengers as well.

Please share this with your friends.........put it in your newsletters.............

To some of you, I may sound like a broken record. (to you 'younguns' -- records were what preceded CDs.....) -- and I continue this rant because I care about you.



Have a great show season -- and I hope to see you at the various Camaro/Firebird shows that are planned this season!




The story:


A whole bunch of people looked forward to this past Memorial Day weekend …many of them spending it in Atlanta, as I did, with fellow Fcar enthusiasts.

A few young men I’m sure were looking forward to driving in from the Carolinas.

It was a great show….hundreds of Firebirds and Camaros lovingly maintained/restored/modified.

A great tour of GMMG........ Some great vendor displays......... A Beach Party.........

----A weekend built around a way to remember our veterans and those who gave their lives for our country.



But a tragedy happened early Sunday morning.

We (as well as most manufacturers) build performance cars. We build them with many, many safety features. We try to anticipate human error. But some things can’t be anticipated. And it’s especially hard to engineer around bad judgement on the part of the driver.

We put safety belts in all of our cars and trucks.

No…we don’t deserve a gold medal for this…it’s the law…..a GOOD law.

It’s also the law in most States and Provinces that you are supposed to put them on when you get in the vehicle. I guess we'll never know whether or not the fellows in the back seat of the Camaro SS on Windy Hill road would have survived had they had put the belts on.

Windy Hill Road in suburban Atlanta has curves and elevations. It has as I recall, a 35 mph speed limit. It was not designed for cars to travel at three times that speed. (or more)

In some ways, I guess I was fortunate. I was in my hotel room. It was late…it was a long day………I had a great time meeting a lot of great people and spending time with some old friends. So I retired around 1 am and went to sleep. I didn’t have to witness the heartbreaking catastrophe firsthand.

I wasn’t prepared to hear the news the next morning. I am, as I’m sure many others are -- still in shock. And I pray for the families and friends of all involved.

I guess at this point in time, I can only hope that amidst this terrible, terrible tragedy that perhaps those who attended the Gathering…….those of you reading this…….and those who read the newspapers/websites and watched TV will think twice before getting into a car or truck and not putting the safety belt on ---PROPERLY --- each and every time.

Second: If you want to race, take it to the track guys and gals. Or to the dyno. (the dyno doesn’t involve driver error…….)

Simply put: We know these cars are powerful. I like burnouts as much as the next guy or gal………but there is a time and place for that…..and it isn’t in a parking lot or on the street. It’s at the track under controlled conditions.

I don’t ever want to see a street race. I don’t ever want to see another burnout in a parking lot.

And I don’t EVER want to hear about one or more of my fellow enthusiasts……who I care a great deal for…….. being killed in one of our cars or trucks. Is it avoidable? I sure wish it were.

So how ‘bout we make sure we ‘stack the deck’ in our favor?

How ‘bout we make a commitment to each other RIGHT NOW…….that we pledge never to street race – EVER………… (And I don’t care HOW many other motorists are egging you on…….)

How ‘bout we make a commitment to each other RIGHT NOW that we will ALWAYS wear a safety belt…and that goes for everyone in the car or truck with us…………………..

How ‘bout we make a commitment to each other RIGHT NOW that we will tell our loved ones how much they mean to us…….and that we DEMAND that they wear a safety belt………. Every time………no excuses.

You think a safety belt is uncomfortable? Well how about this statistic: A 180 pound human being traveling in a car at 35 miles per hour that strikes a solid object will create THIRTY SIX HUNDRED POUNDS OF FORCE.

Now..........do you want that 3,600 pounds of force to be dissipated by a safety belt or do you want it dissipated by a steering wheel and windshield – or the pavement …do you still think the seatbelt is uncomfortable???

………… some of you may say “Scott…stop with the rant…it’s inappropriate at this time.”
To you I say…” I care about you and my fellow enthusiasts and friends and loved ones. And I don’t want to attend your funeral or see you in a hospital due to an avoidable accident. So if I’m being inappropriate, it’s because I care.”

To the family and friends of those who lost their lives this weekend in Atlanta: You are in my prayers. I don’t know that I or anyone else have the words to console you other than to say how very deeply saddened and sorry I am for your loss. And many of us will be thinking of you for a lot longer than you might imagine.

To the organizers (my very dear friends) of the Atlanta Fbody Gathering: You have worked so long and so hard to put such a great event together. This was not your fault. People come from many states to enjoy the passion that these cars generate. We are indebted to you for your hard work…and we hope we’ll be invited back again next year. Thank you for your hospitality – thank you for your friendship – and thank you for all the good things you do for the F-car community.

To the Associates at the Marriott Atlanta Northwest: Thank you for your kind understanding and for all you did to help everyone through this weekend. You are truly a class act.

In closing, Everyone:
Wear your safety belts.
No more street racing.
Put the cell phone down when behind the wheel.
Practice safe driving habits.
If you’re going to drink, don’t drive. No one should lose his or her life needlessly.

And remember….every time you get behind the wheel…..YOU are in charge. Don’t turn your vehicle into a lethal weapon.

Spread the word.
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Old 04-24-2008, 01:11 AM   #2
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Thanks Scott...Althought I don't drag my H2...I do drive over the speed limit from time to time. Considering the size and weight of the H2's 8500lbs (yikes) I could seriously hurt someone if i ran into them...This is also a great reminder to drive carefully all thie time. But when I do buy my NEW camaro I'll drive it respectfully! Autocross ...here i come!
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Old 04-24-2008, 01:32 AM   #3
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Amen a thousand times. Leave the racing for a racetrack. I say, lobby your lawmakers to advocate for more racetracks, so all the people who want to race (a perfectly natural inclination) will have a safe and responsible place to do it.
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Old 04-24-2008, 02:05 AM   #4
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Good thread. I'd also like to point out that accelerating to the speed limit as fast as you can is just as dangerous as going over the speed limit. I've seen some accidents (one near fatal) where someone stomped on the gas just to get up to only 15 mph.
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( I know -- not the right forum --but if it saves a life -- it was the right thing to do......)

Good evening, my Camaro Comrades and Firebird Friends........


Spring is here - and most of us are getting our Firebirds and Camaros out of storage .....and can hardly wait to drive them.

Unfortunately most of us want to plant the pedal to the metal --

.......................and that's fine -- provided that it's done appropriately and in the right place and time.

My concern is that some of you may get a little *too excited* and perhaps decide to do a little street racing.

Our Friend -- Jason Ory at www.z28.com started a thread on his site talking about the horrors that can result from Street Racing..........and I thank him for bringing it to my attention.


I ask you to read something I wrote a couple of years back -- it's at the end of this email.......

We had a great Camaro/Firebird Gathering in Atlanta -- and unfortunately things got out of control late at night -- and two of our Camaro Comrades died that night...............

All because of Street Racing.............

Please -- I beg you -- read the following -- and PROMISE ME -- that you will not street race -- and that you will wear your safety belts at ALL TIMES -- and that goes for all of your passengers as well.

Please share this with your friends.........put it in your newsletters.............

To some of you, I may sound like a broken record. (to you 'younguns' -- records were what preceded CDs.....) -- and I continue this rant because I care about you.



Have a great show season -- and I hope to see you at the various Camaro/Firebird shows that are planned this season!




The story:


A whole bunch of people looked forward to this past Memorial Day weekend …many of them spending it in Atlanta, as I did, with fellow Fcar enthusiasts.

A few young men I’m sure were looking forward to driving in from the Carolinas.

It was a great show….hundreds of Firebirds and Camaros lovingly maintained/restored/modified.

A great tour of GMMG........ Some great vendor displays......... A Beach Party.........

----A weekend built around a way to remember our veterans and those who gave their lives for our country.



But a tragedy happened early Sunday morning.

We (as well as most manufacturers) build performance cars. We build them with many, many safety features. We try to anticipate human error. But some things can’t be anticipated. And it’s especially hard to engineer around bad judgement on the part of the driver.

We put safety belts in all of our cars and trucks.

No…we don’t deserve a gold medal for this…it’s the law…..a GOOD law.

It’s also the law in most States and Provinces that you are supposed to put them on when you get in the vehicle. I guess we'll never know whether or not the fellows in the back seat of the Camaro SS on Windy Hill road would have survived had they had put the belts on.

Windy Hill Road in suburban Atlanta has curves and elevations. It has as I recall, a 35 mph speed limit. It was not designed for cars to travel at three times that speed. (or more)

In some ways, I guess I was fortunate. I was in my hotel room. It was late…it was a long day………I had a great time meeting a lot of great people and spending time with some old friends. So I retired around 1 am and went to sleep. I didn’t have to witness the heartbreaking catastrophe firsthand.

I wasn’t prepared to hear the news the next morning. I am, as I’m sure many others are -- still in shock. And I pray for the families and friends of all involved.

I guess at this point in time, I can only hope that amidst this terrible, terrible tragedy that perhaps those who attended the Gathering…….those of you reading this…….and those who read the newspapers/websites and watched TV will think twice before getting into a car or truck and not putting the safety belt on ---PROPERLY --- each and every time.

Second: If you want to race, take it to the track guys and gals. Or to the dyno. (the dyno doesn’t involve driver error…….)

Simply put: We know these cars are powerful. I like burnouts as much as the next guy or gal………but there is a time and place for that…..and it isn’t in a parking lot or on the street. It’s at the track under controlled conditions.

I don’t ever want to see a street race. I don’t ever want to see another burnout in a parking lot.

And I don’t EVER want to hear about one or more of my fellow enthusiasts……who I care a great deal for…….. being killed in one of our cars or trucks. Is it avoidable? I sure wish it were.

So how ‘bout we make sure we ‘stack the deck’ in our favor?

How ‘bout we make a commitment to each other RIGHT NOW…….that we pledge never to street race – EVER………… (And I don’t care HOW many other motorists are egging you on…….)

How ‘bout we make a commitment to each other RIGHT NOW that we will ALWAYS wear a safety belt…and that goes for everyone in the car or truck with us…………………..

How ‘bout we make a commitment to each other RIGHT NOW that we will tell our loved ones how much they mean to us…….and that we DEMAND that they wear a safety belt………. Every time………no excuses.

You think a safety belt is uncomfortable? Well how about this statistic: A 180 pound human being traveling in a car at 35 miles per hour that strikes a solid object will create THIRTY SIX HUNDRED POUNDS OF FORCE.

Now..........do you want that 3,600 pounds of force to be dissipated by a safety belt or do you want it dissipated by a steering wheel and windshield – or the pavement …do you still think the seatbelt is uncomfortable???

………… some of you may say “Scott…stop with the rant…it’s inappropriate at this time.”
To you I say…” I care about you and my fellow enthusiasts and friends and loved ones. And I don’t want to attend your funeral or see you in a hospital due to an avoidable accident. So if I’m being inappropriate, it’s because I care.”

To the family and friends of those who lost their lives this weekend in Atlanta: You are in my prayers. I don’t know that I or anyone else have the words to console you other than to say how very deeply saddened and sorry I am for your loss. And many of us will be thinking of you for a lot longer than you might imagine.

To the organizers (my very dear friends) of the Atlanta Fbody Gathering: You have worked so long and so hard to put such a great event together. This was not your fault. People come from many states to enjoy the passion that these cars generate. We are indebted to you for your hard work…and we hope we’ll be invited back again next year. Thank you for your hospitality – thank you for your friendship – and thank you for all the good things you do for the F-car community.

To the Associates at the Marriott Atlanta Northwest: Thank you for your kind understanding and for all you did to help everyone through this weekend. You are truly a class act.

In closing, Everyone:
Wear your safety belts.
No more street racing.
Put the cell phone down when behind the wheel.
Practice safe driving habits.
If you’re going to drink, don’t drive. No one should lose his or her life needlessly.

And remember….every time you get behind the wheel…..YOU are in charge. Don’t turn your vehicle into a lethal weapon.

Spread the word.
I gave up street-racing about 15 years ago. I hope my forum brethren shall do the same.

As is a common mantra on the "Vette" forum I frequent: SAVE IT FOR THE TRACK!!!!

Your life, as well as others that you may encounter, are MORE PRECIOUS than the thrill of winning ~ANY~ race you may ever run, or win.

SAVE IT FOR THE TRACK!!!!

Do NOT make me come after you!!!!

PS- Scott- THANKS for taking the time to remind all of us just how precious, and fragile - life can be. It's a shame others do not respect this, as they should.
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Old 04-24-2008, 06:48 AM   #6
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Remember its looks just as good going slow. Save it for the track.
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we have a dragstrip that is ten minutes away, when they ask me to race, i say ok, when they ask me where, isay, at the dragstrip, at this point in time they begin to wimp out.. there is no reason to! at the strip its simple, you pull in and you pay entry fee, you get in line, you stage, then you race... anybody who refuses to go through this simple process to race me is a LOSER and i refuse to race him on the street...

ive seen too many camaros, firebirds, and junkstangs trashed by a power line, another car, or just going in the ditch at a hundred mph and flipping15 times into a field. and i cant tell you how many times they blame it on CAR MALFUNCTION...... i gotto go to work but all i can say is :

wear your seat belt, it may be unconfortable or "not cool" but it will save your life

and second, SAVE IT FOR THE TRACK!!!!
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My vision of cool means that I don't have to go fast if I know I can go fast. If they pass me, it's because I am going the speed limit, not because they have a superior vehicle. Regardless of the speed, my Camaro will growl.

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There's no need for recklessness on the streets. We not only endanger ourselves but civilians who only want to get home to their families, friends, or themselves. Don't be stupid on the streets. I, too, enjoy a little tire squealing from time to time, but I refuse to play games with anyone's life. Don't be cocky. You aren't a professional. Save it for the track.
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Yeah...drove up north to the outlet malls today w/ my wife and two boys. Three j@ck@sses were racing from up behind us...bouncing back and forth across all three lanes and the shoulders. I mean, serious dodging of other cars ducking, diving back and forth...whatever you want to call it.

Ticked me off...my family...all the other families. Made me wish they'd lose control and wreck themselves off the hwy...
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Hi guys,

I don't want to break this great moment where everybody seems to agree on something but ...

Respecting the speed limit (so lowwww in the US) doesn't mean you're a good driver nor that you are not dangerous, or less dangerous than another: granma is more dangerous at 25mph than Sebastien Bourdais at 100mph.

I'd say "it's not about respecting blindly the rules, it's about adapting the way you drive to the road conditions".

Begin at the speed limit can be dangerous if there are a lot of people ...

So please, instead of keeping your nose on your tachimeter, please adapt, indicate when you turn, look your mirrors, don't drink - I mean don't drink AT ALL when you drive - don't use your cell phone but ... enjoy the ride!

Speed is not the core problem, the core problem is: can you handle it? If you REALLY can, well ...


PS: I realize that US and european roads are different and that ways to drive are different. When I lived your country (which I love sooooo much) and was driving, I wished death to around 90% of american drivers! But that's another subject!

Sorry for this "minute of rebellion" but I've seen to many people dying because of said "good-drivers-who-respect-the-limit-whatever-happens-because-this-is-the-law-and-the-law-thinks-for-me".

Drive smart, not necessary slow.
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Hi guys,

I don't want to break this great moment where everybody seems to agree on something but ...

Respecting the speed limit (so lowwww in the US) doesn't mean you're a good driver nor that you are not dangerous, or less dangerous than another: granma is more dangerous at 25mph than Sebastien Bourdais at 100mph.

I'd say "it's not about respecting blindly the rules, it's about adapting the way you drive to the road conditions".

Begin at the speed limit can be dangerous if there are a lot of people ...

So please, instead of keeping your nose on your tachimeter, please adapt, indicate when you turn, look your mirrors, don't drink - I mean don't drink AT ALL when you drive - don't use your cell phone but ... enjoy the ride!

Speed is not the core problem, the core problem is: can you handle it? If you REALLY can, well ...


PS: I realize that US and european roads are different and that ways to drive are different. When I lived your country (which I love sooooo much) and was driving, I wished death to around 90% of american drivers! But that's another subject!

Sorry for this "minute of rebellion" but I've seen to many people dying because of said "good-drivers-who-respect-the-limit-whatever-happens-because-this-is-the-law-and-the-law-thinks-for-me".

Drive smart, not necessary slow.
I've been saying the same thing!

In the spirit of the thread, though, street racing is bad. I do however advocate accelerating out of stop lights a little faster and raising the top speed. In this country, there's no excuse for going under the speed unless you're on a swerving country road marked 45 mph. Even if you can handle the speed, it is still an unnecessary danger. That's like asking if a 7-year-old can handle a chainsaw. They might be able to hang on for a minute or two, but disaster will eventually result.

In the spirit of your arguments, though, I can't tell you how many times I've had to change lanes going the speed limit because a car abruptly stopped or slowed because the driver was either stupid or incompetent. Some people should not be allowed to drive. On my way to class this morning, an elderly driver took 10 seconds to go after a green light, then slowly accelerated through the turn, and finally stopped several car lengths behind the next car at the next stop light. That is unnecessary and unsafe to drivers who may not expect such ridiculous behavior.
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to both of ya'll.


And on that note,

ALL YOU YOUNG DRIVERS...

Just FYI, but 16-20 year old male adults are at a MUCH greater risk of dying or getting seriously injured in an auto accident.

In fact, males are in the lead all the way through until 85 years of age. Females then take over in the area most likely to die/get seriously injured in auto accidents. You know why??? Because males have a shorter life expectancy than females.

If anyone needs factual data, I can get it later from my books. Just took a defensive driving course Monday going over ALL of this information.

All I'm saying guys (and gals)....especially you younger ones, is

USE YOUR HEAD!!!!!!!! Drive safely. You might be able to react faster, but your lack of experience on the road is your biggest enemy. Those who have driven longer have the experience, but reaction times begin to lengthen as you get older.

And on a last note...

Seat belts and air bags have a 50% higher probablility of saving lives. Wear the darn belts. I don't care if it wrinkles your nice shirt. And I surely don't care that it's "uncomfortable." Because it's going to be a hell of a lot more uncomfortable going through the windshield, out the side window, lying in a hospital bed not being able to move for months, or in a wheelchair (if you're lucky enough to be able to live through the accident) for the rest of your life.

Please. Please. Please.
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The issue isn't 'speed limit' per se.....

I'm trying to address two things:

>not wearing safety belts

>illegal street racing -- where two (or more) cars line up -- and have a drag race in the midst of spectators and such.........that's dangerous.

I have really upset a few guys on another site -- (was asked to post a note about street racing -- thus the reason I wrote what's on this thread) ...and it was not well received.

My point is that you can kill more than just yourself --
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The issue isn't 'speed limit' per se.....

I'm trying to address two things:

>not wearing safety belts

>illegal street racing -- where two (or more) cars line up -- and have a drag race in the midst of spectators and such.........that's dangerous.

I have really upset a few guys on another site -- (was asked to post a note about street racing -- thus the reason I wrote what's on this thread) ...and it was not well received.

My point is that you can kill more than just yourself --



In thinking about your car you have to evaluate a couple of things. :seesaw: You are above street racing, guys. Fbodfather is right to post this because we aren't the only people in danger. Take it to the track where you can earn your balls on a legitimate, even playing field with balanced lanes and safe conditions.
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to both of ya'll.


And on that note,

ALL YOU YOUNG DRIVERS...

Just FYI, but 16-20 year old male adults are at a MUCH greater risk of dying or getting seriously injured in an auto accident.

In fact, males are in the lead all the way through until 85 years of age. Females then take over in the area most likely to die/get seriously injured in auto accidents. You know why??? Because males have a shorter life expectancy than females.

If anyone needs factual data, I can get it later from my books. Just took a defensive driving course Monday going over ALL of this information.

All I'm saying guys (and gals)....especially you younger ones, is

USE YOUR HEAD!!!!!!!! Drive safely. You might be able to react faster, but your lack of experience on the road is your biggest enemy. Those who have driven longer have the experience, but reaction times begin to lengthen as you get older.

And on a last note...

Seat belts and air bags have a 50% higher probablility of saving lives. Wear the darn belts. I don't care if it wrinkles your nice shirt. And I surely don't care that it's "uncomfortable." Because it's going to be a hell of a lot more uncomfortable going through the windshield, out the side window, lying in a hospital bed not being able to move for months, or in a wheelchair (if you're lucky enough to be able to live through the accident) for the rest of your life.

Please. Please. Please.

I'm 17 and I take it to the track, where I improved my driving skills by a lot, so I guess you can call me a good driver and I always do the speed limit but if not I'm over 5/10 of the limit depends where I have to be
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I have really upset a few guys on another site -- (was asked to post a note about street racing -- thus the reason I wrote what's on this thread) ...and it was not well received.
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My opinion is if you want to race go to a track, pay the user fee, and race. At least then you are only going to endanger yourself.
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Can anyone answer this question??

On any given Friday or Saturday night, how many drivers on the road are intoxicated?

a) 1 in 3
b) 1 in 5
c) 1 in 10
d) 1 in 15
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I would guess one in 5.

As for the street racing. When I had my eclipse I'd head out to the races here in the bay area. Theoretically I raced once and only once to another stock civic. At the place where the races were, it was safe as far as I could tell. Everyone parked in the parking lots of a industrial street, everyone was out of their cars and behind the starting line in case someone got a little frisky with the steering wheel. Just in case, the people lined up would flash their high beams several times and we had someone at the other end with a radio who would make sure the street was clear. Had the people been stupid and tried to do donuts or race without the lights on, etc., I wouldn't have gone back. This was very controlled, very aware, very safe environment. This isn't your stereotypical scene, but it was something to pass the time and it's only 5 minutes from where I used to live. I have to drive 2+ hours to the nearest track (Infineon/Sears Point). I can drive 3 hours and hit up thunder hill or 5 hours to Buttonwillow down south. It was more of a convenience thing then a rebellion thing. I've always been safe and always will be safe, that's why I want the vert. I won't have every ricer doing the flyby trying to get me to race, I'll have a beautiful car and if I feel the need to show a ricer what acceleration really is while on the freeway, it'll be a quick 5-10 second noise pedal and then I'll slow down again (room permitting of course )

Just my opinion on street racing. I agree with the drive smart, not necessarily slow posts as well. And also, if you can afford it, I HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend going to a driving school such as Skip Barber, Bondurant, Russel, etc. I was in the 2 day driving class and it was the best education I've ever gotten. Defensive driving, offensive driving (track use only) and seat time practicing all these in a variety of vehicles proved to be INVALUABLE. I can now comfortably and calmly react to emergency lane changes, stopping a spin, holding a slide (drift), and braking better than ABS. I could go on for hours about it but can't afford to go back. =(



PS. I went to the street races in AZ when I was going to school there. first time I went out to DV and someone shot a few rounds at the "ghetto bird" as they called it. That was it for me. I went to Firebird raceway a few times to watch some races after that but nothing illegal down there.
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