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Old 04-24-2008, 06:15 PM   #1
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Paddle Shifters or Clutch??

The new Camaro has been reported to have paddle shifters installed in the automatic models which offer the sporty control given with the manual without the clutch or stick. Nothing can replace the feeling given by a manual in aggressive driving, but with practicality in mind as well as fuel millage, wouldn't paddles be a great alternative? (not a replacement)
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Old 04-24-2008, 06:18 PM   #2
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I've heard Chevy paddle shift transmissions are great and much faster on a track than a normal manual. Also better fuel econemy. PADDLES ALL THE WAY!!!!!
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Old 04-24-2008, 06:22 PM   #3
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I'm all about the paddles.
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Old 04-24-2008, 06:23 PM   #4
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Old 04-24-2008, 06:30 PM   #5
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Old 04-24-2008, 10:29 PM   #7
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Manual or nothing. I know I just love my manual now, especially around every corner, rev the engine to 4 grand and pop the clutch in 2nd and just drift around the corner. You won't have that with paddles because you can't control the clutch. Also, I think I would get bored with an auto.

Now I really liked the auto in the Audi TT. But that is a dual clutch system that blips the throttle on shifting. It is phenomenal but I think it would add too much cost to the Camaro and I definitely don't think there will be a dual clutch auto.
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Old 04-24-2008, 10:58 PM   #8
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I'm 80% leaning for Auto right now: based on my needs, circumstances. But I definitely want the paddles - or it's manual.

I've sat in a 'Vette, and they just feel...right. Some argue that Auto's, no matter what kind, forces you to feel detached from the car; separated. When I was sitting in that 'vette, boy let me tell you - the connection couldn't have been stronger. And with what the majority of people who's driven with them keeps saying - I'm very much looking forward to a paddle-shift, Auto Camaro.
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:52 PM   #9
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I like driving a stick, but I'm sitting in traffic too often where I drive the most.
I had a 3rd Gen firebird that I put a small block 400 in that had a 700R4 automatic with a shift kit and I'm telling you, that was the funnest car I ever drove. What a difference a shift kit makes.
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As I've said in all the other paddle shifter and manual vs. auto threads...

- Just saying "paddle shifters" doesn't say anything about how the transmission behaves, they're just another type of control that could be used on the same old auto or a SMT/DSG automated manual.

- If I drove in the city much, I'd be happy enough with the same 4L60E that's in my 2002 GMC Sierra. It shifts exactly the way I like, exactly when I want it to.

- Since I'm all about country roads and highways, I'll be getting a manual anyway.

- Those SMT/DSG transmissions are cool. The DSG is actually two manual transmissions with two clutches, all of which are servo-operated and computer-controlled (except in manual mode when they're controlled by the paddle shifters and/or buttons on the stick and/or "+/-" positions of the stick). They are crazy fast, and beat the hell out of manual transmission on the track given the same car/engine. They have no torque converter (referred to by some as "slushbox") and they get the same gear ratios/quantity of gears as a manual so they get all the effective advantages of a manual, plus they get shifts as fast as 8 milliseconds! However, AFAIK, GM does not have anything like this, so I doubt they'll create it for the Camaro.
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Old 04-25-2008, 09:42 AM   #11
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As I've said in all the other paddle shifter and manual vs. auto threads...

- Just saying "paddle shifters" doesn't say anything about how the transmission behaves, they're just another type of control that could be used on the same old auto or a SMT/DSG automated manual.

- If I drove in the city much, I'd be happy enough with the same 4L60E that's in my 2002 GMC Sierra. It shifts exactly the way I like, exactly when I want it to.

- Since I'm all about country roads and highways, I'll be getting a manual anyway.

- Those SMT/DSG transmissions are cool. The DSG is actually two manual transmissions with two clutches, all of which are servo-operated and computer-controlled (except in manual mode when they're controlled by the paddle shifters and/or buttons on the stick and/or "+/-" positions of the stick). They are crazy fast, and beat the hell out of manual transmission on the track given the same car/engine. They have no torque converter (referred to by some as "slushbox") and they get the same gear ratios/quantity of gears as a manual so they get all the effective advantages of a manual, plus they get shifts as fast as 8 milliseconds! However, AFAIK, GM does not have anything like this, so I doubt they'll create it for the Camaro.
I could dig on the SMT/DSG that you are suggesting but would still prefer a manual this time. I miss rowing through the gears like I did on the T56 behind my LT1, but I have to admit I couldn't run the 60 foots I'm running with my big stall 4L60E behind my LS1. If they could put these kinds of transmissions in VWs, why not in our cars?...
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Old 04-25-2008, 09:45 AM   #12
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Old 04-27-2008, 02:19 AM   #13
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Manual or nothing. I know I just love my manual now, especially around every corner, rev the engine to 4 grand and pop the clutch in 2nd and just drift around the corner. You won't have that with paddles because you can't control the clutch. Also, I think I would get bored with an auto.

Now I really liked the auto in the Audi TT. But that is a dual clutch system that blips the throttle on shifting. It is phenomenal but I think it would add too much cost to the Camaro and I definitely don't think there will be a dual clutch auto.
thats wat im talkin about

but we dont drive tuners nd dont use e-brakes so we dont call it drifting

we call it powersliding
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Old 04-27-2008, 04:16 AM   #14
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Manual. Don't have that big cities in Sweden anyway and it's just way more fun to drive.
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but we dont drive tuners nd dont use e-brakes so we dont call it drifting

we call it powersliding
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Old 04-27-2008, 08:34 AM   #16
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true manual with a clutch for the win!!!
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Old 04-27-2008, 09:56 AM   #17
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Old 04-27-2008, 10:05 AM   #18
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Manual. I've driven nothing but stick since I learned how to drive 14 years ago, and I will never - NEVER - own a car without a clutch. I have no problem sacrificing a little aggrivation in city trafic for the pure fun of rowing your own gears. I have driven cars with paddle shifters, and to drive them like a true manual is confusing because you're always trying to figure out which way or which button is up shift or down shift (each mfg. has their own fancy way of making the stupid thing). With a stick, I can get into any car and they're all exactly the same.

Let's put it this way: if I could not get a manual on the Camaro, I would not even be interested in looking at it, let alone buying it.
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Is it possible for a paddle shifting manual?
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There's no such thing yet invented. Would you want to just use the paddles instead of the stick, while still using the clutch? That would require half the servos and computer found in a SMT/DSG.

If you wanted to just hit the paddles and not have to operate the clutch, now we're getting into some things discussed in this thread:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...5602#post65602
Someone suggested a SMT/DSG with an optional-use clutch pedal and I theorized on how it could be done. Add to that the not-yet-invented H-pattern shift gate for SMT/DSG/auto and it's damn near the best of all possible worlds...
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There's no such thing yet invented. Would you want to just use the paddles instead of the stick, while still using the clutch? That would require half the servos and computer found in a SMT/DSG.

If you wanted to just hit the paddles and not have to operate the clutch, now we're getting into some things discussed in this thread:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...5602#post65602
Someone suggested a SMT/DSG with an optional-use clutch pedal and I theorized on how it could be done. Add to that the not-yet-invented H-pattern shift gate for SMT/DSG/auto and it's damn near the best of all possible worlds...
if anyone develop it first it would be mercedes or bmw
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if anyone develop it first it would be mercedes or bmw
What would the point of it be, though?? Paddle shifters, in serious cases, are supposed to help with the speed of shifting...(also convenience, but forget that right now)...If you need to disengage the clutch, tap the paddle, and re-engage the clutch...it doesn't really differ from rowing through the gears...except that you wouldn't get near as much exercise! It's like saying 5+5 is better than 6+4...in essence...it's the same exact thing...
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Paddle shifters, in serious cases, are supposed to help with the speed of shifting.
Paddle shifters are to keep your hands on the wheel. Automatics and automated manuals are to help with the speed of shifting.
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Im going manual, possible for the auto but it would have to REALLY impress me or if the clutch is too heavy i may consider it. If I did get auto i would leave it in fully auto mode because it will most likely shift at better points than I would shift at. Plus i would learn how to kick it up a gear with my foot so i dont care too much for paddles or +- shifter. DSG is a different story, I would take that in a heartbeat.
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paddles are an effective way of speed shifting. or rather, a delayed shift. in a regular auto its harder to accel due to the generous rpm shift clicks installed on the vehicle, but with paddles you can almost feel the car agressively responding. i am a valet, and i admit ive played with my share of cars. my favorites being the new z06 and M5. BOTH of which opted for paddles. unless you have driven a high performance car with paddles, dont talk down on them, they have been known to outperform your average manual.
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