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Old 04-12-2016, 03:09 PM   #1
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FINALLY INSTALLED MOTIV HF CATS... AMAZING!!!

Anybody seen or have the High Flow Cats from maperformance. com (Modern Automotive Performance)? They are listed at $503.00 and supposedly are manufactured with Magnaflow 200 Cell High Flow Cats by MOTIV CONCEPTS; they are said to be Brushed Stainless Steel… Wondering how they compare to Solo and JBA… and whether they will cause a CEL? They also are listed to fit 2010-2012 Camaro SS, but do not specify L99 or LS3? They also have a Lifetime Warranty… wondering if they'll work with my L99…
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Old 04-12-2016, 04:00 PM   #2
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exhaust profile would be the same for LS3 and L99, I will never put HF cats on a car again but I have the luck of living in a state where there are no inspections
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Old 04-12-2016, 05:48 PM   #3
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Thats my line of thought too… but then I noticed that Solo has two different sets of HF Cats, one for the L99 with some type of flex on it… and the other for the LS3?
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Old 04-12-2016, 06:03 PM   #4
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I run cats on mine and I don't have inspections. I took the cats off my Vette and the smell was horrible, never again.
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Old 04-12-2016, 11:16 PM   #5
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Thats my line of thought too… but then I noticed that Solo has two different sets of HF Cats, one for the L99 with some type of flex on it… and the other for the LS3?
I thought i read the flex on the l99 cats is for the afm engagement. Im not sure once you tune the afm out..it doesnt matter.
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Old 04-25-2016, 05:38 PM   #6
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Anybody seen or have these High Flow Cats...

http://www.kinetixracing.com/kinetix...onverters.aspx
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Old 09-25-2016, 10:09 AM   #7
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Anybody seen or have these High Flow Cats...

http://www.kinetixracing.com/kinetix...onverters.aspx
Older post but no answers, anybody have these or know anyone who does?
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Old 11-13-2016, 09:38 PM   #8
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Older post but no answers, anybody have these or know anyone who does?
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I finally ordered them (KINETIX High Flow Cats)... They looked really good. However, I didn't get to install them because I found what looked like slag inside one of the assemblies on the cat surface; returned them for an exchange, but they didn't have another set.... Welds looked really good. Thinking about just getting the Motiv High Flow Cats (CV.109). Probably even better since it uses Metalic 200 CPSI High Flow Magnaflow Cats? Not sure what brand Cats Kinetix used.... but they were also Metalic 200CPSI High Flow.

Anybody tried the Motiv Cat assemblies yet...

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Old 11-25-2016, 05:55 PM   #9
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MOTIV HF CATS... PULLED THE TRIGGER!!!

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I finally ordered them (KINETIX High Flow Cats)... They looked really good. However, I didn't get to install them because I found what looked like slag inside one of the assemblies on the cat surface; returned them for an exchange, but they didn't have another set.... Welds looked really good. Thinking about just getting the Motiv High Flow Cats (CV.109). Probably even better since it uses Metalic 200 CPSI High Flow Magnaflow Cats? Not sure what brand Cats Kinetix used.... but they were also Metalic 200CPSI High Flow.

Anybody tried the Motiv Cat assemblies yet...


Here are a few pics of the Motiv HF Cats... Very Similar to the JBAs; however, they are 304 Stainless and have fabricated O2 extenders built right in the assembly. In addition, the entire assembly has a brushed stainless finish; they look REALLY good!

You will notice that they are Made in the USA... (see the label). They use Magnaflow HF Cats in the assemblies, (Magnaflow 59956); at least you KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING... The entire assembly is built VERY well; the welds look beautiful! (Even sent a nice Motiv Performance T-Shirt and Decals as an added bonus)...

And most importantly, Motiv obviously did NOT use a generic 2 bolt flange gasket because the gaskets line up PERFECTLY with the Motive Assembly Flange. The holes in the gaskets specifically match the flange, which will prevent gasket alignment issues. They also have a LIFETIME warranty! I say we have a winner!
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Old 11-25-2016, 06:00 PM   #10
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OOPS... forgot one! The Flanges are welded inside and outside, which is really a nice touch. The Cats are also Metalic High Flow 200 CPSI. Combined assembly weight is 17.00 lbs... (Not sure what the OEM is; however, i'd imangine there must be a small weight savings)?

NOTE: ALSO NO ELONGATED FLANGE OR GASKET HOLES... they are round and specific to the OEM exhaust manifold; they should bolt up nicely...
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Old 11-26-2016, 11:20 PM   #11
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Those are nice....welds look real good...let us know if it throws a code.
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Old 11-27-2016, 12:49 AM   #12
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Nice, post some pics when installed.
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Old 11-28-2016, 02:46 PM   #13
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Nice, post some pics when installed.
Just finished with the MOTIV High Flow Cat install… All I can say is HOT DAMN! I already had the Flowmaster Outlaw Axleback, which sounded great… even with the large resonator in tact. However, this thing is a monster now! The sound is absolutely AMAZING!!! It's deeper and MUCH louder; the overall tone didn't really change… just MUCH LOUDER!!! It's a night and day difference. Initially, I was worried that the "Flowmaster Outlaw Sound & Tone" would change with the installation of the High Flow Cats… I have always LOVED the Flowmaster Outlaw Axleback exhaust note… Needless to say, I was pleasantly surprised when the "Note" stayed the same and just got deeper and louder! Now the only thing I actually have to worry about is the cold start that's coming tomorrow morning at 04:30; it's that much louder! Even when it idles, after the point where it reaches operating temperature and quiets down, you still hear that nice LS rumble! (You guys know what I'm talking about; these motors have that unique idle)… No exageration! You'd think I added LT headers; it's that much LOUDER!

Now for the installation… First and foremost, the product came with directions and tips for installation, even included photos. The gaskets and HF Cat flanges mated PERFECTLY with the factory exhaust manifolds on both sides! The Bolts and nuts are stainless, grade (10) I think? The completely round holes in the gaskets and flanges are in EXACT alignment with the OEM manifold holes! Once the bolts are installed, there is no room for the flanges or gaskets to move; you literally can NOT install these and have them leak unless you don't tighten them properly because the bolts don't allow any play! The install couldn't have been easier… and the increase in throttle response is very noticeable; in addition, there are no clearance issues at all! This really is an AMAZING PRODUCT!!!

The install took approximately 1.5 hours. I used a friends lift in his garage; he did most of the work... LOL! (Yeah, I know; very convenient)! The most difficult part was reconnecting the front O2 sensor plugs; however, even that wasn't a difficult task. To date, I am running a Cold Air Induction CAI; The Flowmaster Outlaw Axleback, (modified with 5" dual wall polished stainless tips); 3.91 GM gear and calibration; 1LE suspension upgrades; and last but not least, (drumroll please)… MOTIV Concepts High Flow Cats - CV.109! I must say, the "seat of the pants dyno" indicates a SUBSTANTIAL GAIN; tires break loose a LOT easier and you can feel a difference in the overall torque throughout the entire power band. It's louder inside the car, but no "unpleasant drone" at any speed. (I NEVER experienced that after installing the Outlaw Axleback; maybe it's because I chose to keep the huge L99 resonator)? However, at WOT… forget about trying to talk; its pointless and a complete waste of time! This thing absolutely SCREAMS!!! The note is deep and pronounced at any speed. I've been stopped by a few Camaro Owners already… asking how I got it to sound the way it does!

Here are a few install photos… From what I've learned about the other two well known High Flow Cat Assemblies, judging from comments and fitment issues with gaskets etc., I don't believe you'll find a better fitting high quality High Flow Cat Assembly than the MOTIVE Concept CV.109!?! (And for those of you who want test pipes… they have CV.105, which eliminates the Cats). After install there was NO CEL! Although it has only been a few hours, my Android Torque App indicates that the "current emission drive cycle" and the "emissions readiness test" have all passed successfully! I believe 2010-2012 won't throw the CEL... However, not so sure about 2013 and up? One more thing… I have the L99 Automatic. You'll notice that these Cats do not have the "Flex Joint"; however, there are no issues with noise or vibration when the AFM/DOD engages. This product is absolutely GREAT! I can only imagine that it'll get better with a tune, which I'm not ready to do yet… but I think I see a Range device or Diablosport's new AFM device in the near future? (I'm already sick of the constant switching)!


Inbox me if you want to know where I got them, along with pricing information? (Less expensive than ALL the leading competitors)! Not trying to violate any posting rules? What really made me pull the trigger on these High Flow Cats was the fact that it actually uses quality Magnaflow HF Cats in the Assembly… I'm not sure what everybody else uses… and I doubt that they will ever tell you? However, I'm smart enough to know that not just "EVERYBODY" can afford to actually "MANUFACTURE THEIR OWN CATALYTIC CONVERTERS"; that's gotta be EXSPENSIVE!?! I don't know about you… but I like knowing what I'm paying for. Needless to say, it's an added BONUS that the ENTIRE assembly is American Made, along with the fact that the pricing is competitive. Just goes to show… MOTIV Concepts can use American Workers, produce a quality product, and even win in pricing; this makes me feel even better about my purchase! (NOT TRYING TO START THE AMERICAN MADE VS CHINEESE ARGUMENT; PLEASE DON'T DO THAT IN MY POST)… I just wanted you guys to know about these; I inquired a while ago and nobody ever responded? It would be a real shame to miss out on these; it doesn't get any better! Thanks!

Note: ALL Photos were taken PRIOR to tightening… got excited and forgot to take the after pics!
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Old 11-28-2016, 03:21 PM   #14
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Nice, post some pics when installed.
Another Photo… Showing Emissions Readiness… and no CEL!
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