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I used to be Dragoneye...
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First off, thank you all very much for all the good input/comments in the first suggestions thread. There were a lot of very good things mentioned, and if something isn't implemented this go around, there's always the next model year...which is the point.
But this is the second suggestions thread. However, it's going to be a little more targeted. Elie (Garfin) says that the Camaro team would like gain some input/insight into marketing plans, and strategies more than actual features of the car at this point. Ask the question: How can they sell this car? Now keep in mind, that the VAST majority of us enthusiasts are already sold on the car, and it hasn't even hit showrooms, yet. And even more will flock to the car when they see the final product that they've been holding their opinions/judgment on That isn't the group that needs to be targeted in and ads/commercials/flyers/etc. As has been said many times; Don't preach to the choir. ![]() Instead, think of ways to draw in potential buyers from all over the spectrum. People who might be looking at a Honda Accord Coupe, comparable BMW series, Acuras, lower-level Audi's, etc, etc. The idea is to get these people, who wouldn't normally be looking at a Camaro, into Chevy showrooms. Based on what we've all seen so far, the car will have NO problem selling itself, but we gotta get people in to see it, first. There is going to be a narrow, 1-1.5 weeks window for ideas to be put into this thread, so make 'em REAL good. Leave the rubber on the tires, and the revs under the redline. Try not to get into page-long commercial scripts (they've got people to do that. ) instead, focus on what the above mentioned people are looking for, and try to find ways to highlight said things on the Camaro. All ideas are welcome!!Thanks again!!!! |
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well Transformers was a good step, did it not catch are attention I say put it in more movies and new tv shows, wondering what dodge is going to do
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How to sell the V6—this car is going to be the majority of sales. Sell it to those of us who want to have sporty cars but have to go to school. Make it safe so parents will buy it, but make it seem really fast. Try posing it in an ad with a Mustang and winning. The V6 is going to be impressive, so don't hold back on the power.
How to sell the V8—it should sell itself, but GM needs to advertise the V8 as faster than any production American muscle car. It also needs to be advertised as beating anything Japanese. People who love old time muscle cars tend to be anti-Asian when it comes to powerful cars. They're purists. Try posting an ad with the RWD power of the Camaro waxing the FWD power of some well-known Japanese cars. Also, put the Challenger, Mustang, and Camaro in one ad and do side-by-side-by-side comparisons. The Camaro is the best in its class in every category, so you need to exploit that. Make sure to feature young people in the ads. Advertising young people makes older buyers feel younger and makes younger buyers feel like this is meant for them. Advertise to men and women equally. While more men tend to buy for power, there are plenty of women out there who really want power. Try advertising to women using the same marketing formula as Hummer used over the past few years. Why a 4-cylinder turbo is dangerous—first and foremost, it will sell because that 260-hp LNF is fast and tough. The problem is that everyone loves Chevy muscle who loves Chevy, so selling a muscle car with the same motor as a Cobalt will cause Cobalt sales to drop. Parents will buy 4-cylinder Camaros for safe rides for their sport-driving 16-year-olds who want a cool ride to show their friends. Also, make it safe. It needs to be safe for it to sell. I will probably post more suggestions later, but this is all that came to mind right now.
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It is kind of hard for me to think of good ideas when I have no clue of the performance, and features of this awesome new car. I want to see some commercials with the same kind of feel that the Cadillacs have. "when you turn the car on, does it return the favor."
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Just to follow up on what Dragon said......
The V8 will sell itself -- and that's due, in large, to the internet. Simply take it to the track a few times and the word spreads....... The bigger challenge is to sell the car in volume -- and frankly that was always pretty much V6 territory -- but with gas going up -- it becomes even moreso...... So -- the real question is: how do we reach people who would not normally consider a Camaro (or even a Mustang or Eclipse....) |
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Opps, sorry... you meant with marketing... target the 20 -29 range in beer commercials .... commercials featuring the Camaro during popular shows that hit that range as well. Along with advertising on the internet through maybe Facebook or Myspace. 30 - 40 age range will have children or be married, hit commercials during family shows. The commercials really have to punch you in the heart, make you feel alive being in a Camaro, it's more than a car, using the Transformer line... the person doesn't pick the car, the car picks you kinda marketing.It's late, I should have thought this out more but hey.
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Could have something along the lines of
"Tired of chosing between performance vs economy? Style vs price? Introducing the all new Camaro <insert V6 trim name here>" Since it will be trying to sell to the masses, performance #'s won't matter so much. But mentioning something like 300 hp and 30 mpg hwy would be nice to see. Might be too optimistic to think we'll see that though.
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Put the 4cyl. turbo in it, tune it for maximum hp where 30mpg epa hwy can be achieved.
"Indulge in the style of the new Camaro, designed for today." Showcase 30mpg, styling inside and outside, affordable price, fun. |
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It's got to start w/ advertisement in televised commercials, etc. I don't recall seeing any commercials for 4th Gens. Get a Camaro out to the Super Chevy show and O'Reily type drag races (that should cover that type of buyer). Transformers was HUGE. People were cheering out loud when BB transformed from old Camaro to 5th Gen. It would be great to see the 5th Gen in a weekly televised show (don't have any idea how this could work....knightrider). But, IMO there are two huge areas that need to be covered. 1. Gas mileage for the V6 needs to be outstanding....better than other coupes in it's class (AFM, VVT, etc...and even the turbo 4 for more improved mpg's and weight savings). Not worried about the V8 (since those buying won't be too worried about it), although it would be nice to get better miles to the gallon there, that's for darn sure... and what I believe to be EXTREMELY important... 2. Interior "Goodies." I'm talking about all the little stuff like Bluetooth, USB for mp3 or Ipod hookups, Homelink (garage door opener), compass heading, temp display, heated seats, dual climate control, navi, etc. need to be added (or at least an option). I mean option, not package. If I just want bluetooth but not a sunroof to go along with it, ya know? #2 is pretty much the only drawback w/ my current SS (options that I WISH I had and were available on other GM products at the time). IMO, the technology is here now and should be at least offered. I think the best way to get someone who wouldn't normally consider buying a Camaro in to a dealer to look at one, is to first put the goodies in there and then advertise the hell out of it. One of the only huge advertisement deals I can think of right now that reaches millions upon millions of people are the Ford commercials w/ American Idol. 34 million votes this week, 35 million votes the next... That show hits millions of viewers of all ages. They show that darn Ford commercial on EVERY break...and that SYNC option?? Sweeeet. Give people what they want at a reasonable price. 10 year 100,000 mile FULL warranty for original purchaser (non-transferrable). GM raises the bar on quality? Stand behind the product. I dunno...this just kind of came to me. I'll continue to think about this and see what else I can come up with. Advertisement of those goodies and "leader in it's class for gas mileage." |
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I think the focus needs to be on the aformentione styling, price, fun driving experience, fuel economony. Something about the styling of a sports coupe bbut the reliability of a regular sedan. Last one is biased though since I love the reliability of my Saab.
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I stumbled across this thread over on camaroz28.com and thought it to be very interesting and informative! The starter of the thread, Brangeta, makes what I think, are some excellent points in an extremely well thought-out presentation. I'm taking the liberty of lifting his opening post from that thread and quoting it here... the whole thread is a great read http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/showthread.php?t=593976
- just be warned that it'll take a while to get through it! Quote:
Best regardSS, Elie
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Ordered from scotty
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You must tap into the camry niche, camry made it big by being very reliable and long lasting in looks, which drove up sales and resale of used camrys, also from my past experience with toyota the base price has only gone up approximately 700.00 in 10 years give or take this is what chevy has to do, they are heading in the right direction .....
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Idea for a commercial that shows how times have changed...
Have a father dropped off at college by his son (in a new Camaro) that just graduated from AeroSpace Engineering. Then the son (from a high tech looking job site) speaking to his co-workers mentioning the fact that he dropped his dad off at school on his way in. [son] "Dads having dreams of a new Camaro when he graduates" (big smile on sons face) I think what's being asked here is what in your daily sensory inputs makes you think about a Camaro. There has to be a catchy hits home kinda visual stimulation. I think the Cadallic people did it right with the female that asks if your car turns you on, but thats been used and is a symbol for them. Everyday common people is the target now. Nascar I believe has to have a role in this, the folks here have a unique opportunity, you just may see something you've floated as an idea show up in a commercial, how cool is that!
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Nascar is a bad idea for this if the goal is to draw import buyers. Very few people would be introduced since most nascar fans would know about the Camaro already, and the import buyers would be turned away because it will support the notion that "Nascar is for dumb rednecks who drive either pickups or Camaros". I love Nascar, and the Camaro but none of my friends who are into cars share either of those opinions. Its those people that need to be reached.
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I like Brangetas post. Nothing wrong w/ a commercial saying "I'm back" as the 5th Gen pulls up and they lead into vehicle details.
If GM does do those tire smoking commercials, there's a time slot and channel for that on television. If we are trying to hit the import crowd, put it in a movie like the fast and the furious w/ the aftermarket GMMG ground effects kit and spoiler. I personally love the look of the aftermarket ground effects on the Camaro. Loved it. That might appeal to some of the import crowds too. |
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Hey, CatiaJockey! Cool to see a fellow AE.
Anyway...to the topic at hand. I think advertising is all about creating a feeling. You don't need a single word in the ad to make it hit home, but you have to create a feeling. A feeling of want. How that happens depends on the people you want to buy it. I'm no marketing guru by any means, and I'm probably just going to spout off what I want to see myself because you can't sit there and not flaunt what it has...performace. And I say use that to tell people how much better you are than ALL the competition. I'd like to see a commercial where the Camaro is trouncing every competition it has. First, there is in aerial shot of the turbo 4 Camaro drifting a big circle around a bunch of ricers backed into a little group (Lancers, 350Zs etc.). I want to see a shot of a Challenger, GT500, and SRT8 Charger lined up at 3 places at a 4-way stop, then the snarling nose of the SS Camaro rolls up to the stop sign, waits a moment, and the other 3 cars slowly roll away in reverse as the Camaro rumbles through. I want to see some jerk in a G35 spill expensive coffee on himself because he was scared ****less as a Z28 Camaro roared past him on a winding backroad at some disgusting speed spewing its badass exhaust tone into his pretentious little Infiniti cabin. And I want to see the Camaro pull up under the gas station at night, looking sweet and shiny under the lights, get a shot of the sweet interior and slowly zoom in on the gas gauge...barely at a quarter of a tank. Cue the zoom-in on Camaro badging...fade to black. I think people will want to know why its still so full of gas after a busy day of chewing up rice and Ford/Mopar parts, so they will go to the dealers and see why that sexy beast of a car is still practical for them. So there. Got the turbo-4 for the ricers (maybe put the factory gfx package on it so people know which it is), got the SS for the intimidation factor, and the Z28 for the people who want to out handle some G35s and the like. Maybe the V6 will be at the end at the gas station with an RS package or something, I don't know. And Im also sticking with my original idea of the "spend more on tires than gas" commercial too. I outlined that one in the original focus group thread. Yeah, maybe unoriginal, but they have ad guys for this, and they don't need my help to sell this thing. It sells itself, especially to me.
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diet of rice ever get old? how bout' a good ol' piece of all american steak, nice thick n' juicy, that's still low on calories! i like what pontiac did w/ the whole "faster than a porsche boxter, more hp than a bmw..." etc, that was one of the best pontiac commercials i ever saw. also, the g8 had good marketing "remember what it was like when u first drove a car..." or something along those lines. quite frankly, w/ the # of pontiacs i see on the road, i have 2 say they got if figured out pretty good, follow their lead and throw some born in the usa jazz in there!
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Ok im a simple man here 43 years old. I can still remember looking at the neighbor kids dads 67 SS i think with a 396 convertible.
Now watching TV if i was to see a 45 year old looking at a new Z28 and then fade to a 16 year old looking at a gen1. Not a man alive wouldn't remember how they felt when they seen one themselves. I also think thats the group thats going to drop 30-40k for a shot at their youth. By the way the plates for my 1980 Z28 i just got LSTYUTH Now when you use this method and sell lots of cars and save a ton on advertising I would like the SS in a Screaming yellow with black stripes Thanks hehe
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A few ideas I can spout off right now (need more time to think but here goes)
You guys need to make sure that the car has the latest in technology and don't drive the price up over it because this stuff really is not expensive. There should be bluetooth connectivity. There should be MP3 Player Compatibility. There should be MP3 CD Playing Capability. There should be a nice Color LCD with cool graphics. If OnStar is forced onto every buyer then at least use the system's built-in GPS to give standard Navigation on the screen mentioned above. The interior has really got to stand out in this car and the fit and finish really done well (no organge peel, squeaks and rattles, etc.) Make sure that on all models you tidy up the engine bay with nice covers for everything and make it look high-tech and clean and enclosed. Any place you can get away with using something groundbreaking technology-wise, please be sure you do so. For example, LED lighting is all the rage. Use LEDs instead of antiquated incandescents. The market for these cars is truly obsessed with technology and if you don't embrace the tech, someone else will and beat you to the punch. A big market nobody touched on is the FEMALE buyer. There's GOT to be a way to make this car appeal to women in a 2008 way and not a 1978 way like painting it pink. Women think the car looks awesome, so the styling alone should draw them in. Maybe just show how the styling compares to "cookie cutter imports". I like the way Cadillac used that women in their ads too. The "Does it return the favor?" ad. Nice. You need that sort of thing. Another important point is to make sure that the car is perfect before launching it. We want this car to win every award and every accolade possible. People really do listen to that stuff. Look what doing it right has done for the Malibu? Also, targeted marketing through internet ads would be a good idea for the audience you are going after. Okay, I'm tapped out for now. Hopefully I planted some seeds you guys can run with. Have fun! |
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I used to be Dragoneye...
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I'm counting on fuel economy and saftey features in all models being part of those "best-in-class" statements. So think above all else in the V6 model, Highlight those. Parents will want safe cars for their kids, Adults will want safe cars to drive, and ALL will want efficient cars to drive. If either of those two are missing, or perceived as missing; it will be an instant turn-off to anybody who's just glancing at it. So show that off!
"Camaro; best in class.......everything!" ![]() Also, if used in ads, or commercials. Spend a great deal of time taking VERY attractive pictures of this car. We all know that photos don't do it justice...but some pictures of the car aren't very nice-looking at all(certain angles make it look porky, and short). If you get a shot that draws the eye, you've got a hit: they'll read into it thinking, "What is that?". Then they'll read all the good stuff, and class-leading whatnots. And I'd bet that if the reader is in the market, you'll have a instant showroom guest. Quote:
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First and foremost, PRICE PRICE PRICE. It needs to be VERY close to the mustang V6. Period, and by very close i mean within $100.00-200.00.
Commercial... Should start off with the camaro just sitting there.. list of price features ect.. just like a normal car commercial, then have it drive away and behind it is the amount of fuel in barrels that you will save over a mustang MPG. Dramatic effect, use volume to say, you will save gas! Could always do what they are doing with the silverado commercials, have the camaro pick up the challenger and mustang drivers after they run out of gas...
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And GM should have an ad waiting in the wings that says "You will"
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This is gonna sound kind of retarded, but will the new Camaro have the child safety seat retainer system in the back seat? If so, you just made an in-road to a young couple having a Camaro and being able to lock their pride and joy in the back of their other pride and joy. Dad (or Mom) can get a new Camaro V6 and the kiddos can ride too and be safe. Then Mom and Dad have yet another reason to justify getting one of these. If you read the threads of even enthusiasts like us, you'll see bunches of us are still in college (or even high school) and won't be snagging up a V8 due to insurance costs, gas costs, car costs, lack of income, etc. I was there back in the 90s with my Camaros and lack of purchasing power (at first). I got a 96 V6 Camaro because it's all I could afford on my own as a 20 year old who worked his way through college. 3 years later, I got my Z28 but I had also graduated and had a job (or two) and could afford the payments, insurance, etc. That being said, you can crack this nut in a number of ways. If you want more general marketing ideas, I'd say speak to the buyers who are going to go for what they can afford but still want the look, but you guys know that already.
Still, for a first "We're back" commercial, I wouldn't even say "we're back." I'd do something kinda minimalist but powerful like start out with a black screen and some dark (classical) music and have the headlights flash with the sound of an engine (preferrably V8) revving. Have them flash more and more quickly and intensely as the screen lightens up to reveal... TA DA! The face of the Camaro as it drives by the camera. Then of course, change the brooding music to like "Hallelujah!!" and throw in a side view and a view of the tail lights as it drives off. Then, just say something to the effect of, "The New Chevy Camaro. In Dealerships now." Build the intrigue from the get-go and people will come in droves to check it out. Just my $.02... but then again, I'll be pestering the local dealers from the moment my boots get back on the good 'ol home soil anyway.
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