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Old 08-25-2009, 11:55 AM   #1
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Pedders / Eibach / H&R ?????

This is one for the experts, and I am definitely not. Of the big three that seem to get the most attention around here, is any one better than the other?

The obvious questions will be "what are you trying to achieve?" "What is your budget?"

I'd like to stay around 2k; lower the car 1.5'' or so and be able to take on ramps and exit ramps at a high rate of speed (within legal limits of course) without feeling like I am going to slide off the road. Ride comfort is also important as well.

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Old 08-25-2009, 12:09 PM   #2
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i would go eibach. but i don't know much about H&R or pedders. now i know its american but maybe look into tein see if they will do a set up. also what are you looking for just springs or the coil over set. you will get better performance out of coil overs and also adjust to what you want. also the car should be tested for which height works best, never go to low or to high.

Another option which i am also new to is vogtland. they are made to lower the car a bit not the show car low and up the handling performance for daily driving streets and road conditions. some company's make them and they are good on the track and act diff on the road. this is all just my opinion there are more people who probably know better
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We've got 1.5" Drop Springs along with our Sport Sway Bar package that would put you well within your price goals and it will provide outstanding balance and control.

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The sway bars will be in next week and we've already sold most of our first batch. The drop springs will be finished around the 2nd week of September and they are extremely high quality units that will provide great ride characteristics as well as performance. What you will find is the steering will be much more responsive and the car will be predictable.

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Old 08-25-2009, 02:43 PM   #4
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Pedders has done some work for/with GM on the camaro.... May be worth looking into
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This is one for the experts, and I am definitely not. Of the big three that seem to get the most attention around here, is any one better than the other?

The obvious questions will be "what are you trying to achieve?" "What is your budget?"

I'd like to stay around 2k; lower the car 1.5'' or so and be able to take on ramps and exit ramps at a high rate of speed (within legal limits of course) without feeling like I am going to slide off the road. Ride comfort is also important as well.

Thanks guys!
Pedders has a lot to offer you. We have our own Camaro to document improvements and to advise on settings. We have a strong dealer base and technical support to assist you. We also have manuals for the DIY guys available to you.

Pedders offers multiple setups for you, depending on your goals. Here are several opportunites. The systems get better as you go down:
1. Camaro Drop Spring Kit 1 By Pedders
Merlin Store P/N is CAMAROKIT1
This kit is for the enthusiast that is looking for that aggressive look over performance and may need a slightly higher rear stance due to oversized wheels and tires. This kit offers a 20-25mm drop in ride height. With higher coil ratinings and a lower vehicle stance, performance iimprovements is a real plus

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Part # Pedders Compnent Price
220032 "Camaro 2009 Front drop Coils & Ride Height with 20"" Wheels at 667mm
" $89.62
220032 "Camaro 2009 Front drop Coils & Ride Height with 20"" Wheels at 667mm
" $89.62
220035 Camaro Zeta Rear Coil Ride Height with 20" Wheels 675mm $89.62
220035 Camaro Zeta Rear Coil Ride Height with 20" Wheels 675mm $89.62
Pedders Drop Coils Only Parts Total $358.48
Menu System Discount $38.49

Menu System Discount Adjusted Parts Total $319.99

2. Camaro Performance Drop Spring Kit 2
7/8/09 Merlin Store P/N is CAMAROKIT2
This kit is for the enthusiast that is looking for that aggressive look with with a more performance oriented handling experience. The fronts are a 20mm drop and the rears are a 40mm drop. This look is a European look, and will seriously reduce the significant amount of understeer the new Camaro offers.
Part # Pedders Compnent Price

220032 "Camaro 2009 Front drop Coils & Ride Height with 20"" Wheels at 667mm
" $89.62
220032 "Camaro 2009 Front drop Coils & Ride Height with 20"" Wheels at 667mm
" $89.62
220033 Camaro 2009 Rear Drop Coils & Ride Height with 20" Wheels at 660mm $89.62
220033 Camaro 2009 Rear Drop Coils & Ride Height with 20" Wheels at 660mm $89.62
Pedders Drop Coils Only Parts Total $358.48
Menu System Discount $38.49

Menu System Discount Adjusted Parts Total $319.99
3. This system is by far superior than the above kits
5/27/09 Pedders eXtreme Xa Street Performance Kit
MERLIN STORE P/N CAMAROXASTREET
This is a value package with a kick! The new state of the art Pedders eXtreme Xa coil overs are revolutioning the auto suspension community! The Pedders Mono tube 30 way adjustability will give you the ultimate in desired ride, woth the flexibility that you will desire. Maciumum comfort when you want, to killer control when you have to show the world you are on top of your game. this package will include the critical bushings of Street 1 as well. For further control, you can upgrade to Track II with little duplcation in labor!

P/N DESCRIPTION Price
160086 Camaro eXtreme Xa Multi Adjustable Coilover Kit By Pedders with 8kg/mm Front and 10kg/mm Rear Coil Rates $1,799.99
EP1167 Zeta Rear Differential Bush Kit $108.36
TBA Zeta II Rear Extreme Sub-Frame Connector Kit $238.99
PDUSA5420 ZETA REAR CAMBER & TOE ADJUSTERS. EXTENDS ADJ. RANGE. WILL BE ABLE TO GET OVER -2 DEGREES CAMBER $179.00
EP6577 CAMARO Front Radius Rod Bushing $198.59

Pedders eXtreme Xa Street II Performance Kit PARTS TOTAL $2,524.93
Menu System Discount $545.94

Menu System Discount Adjusted Parts Total $1,978.99

We will very shortly have a bunch of systems between the 3 and over the Xa Street.

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Old 08-26-2009, 10:29 AM   #6
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Thanks guys...I certainly appreciate the info!
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Thanks guys...I certainly appreciate the info!
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Please feel free to call or email us anytime!

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Jordan makes good stuff, as does Pedders.

I've run Pedders on my GTO for over 45k and it's been flawless the entire time, no noises, no failures, and i drive the hell out of it, every day. Snow included.

If your looking to have it done at a certified shop we have one of our best dealers in LA, which is a bit of a trip, but worth it.

Check our Haddad Motorsports in Inglewood.
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Old 08-28-2009, 01:33 AM   #9
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2. Camaro Performance Drop Spring Kit 2
7/8/09 Merlin Store P/N is CAMAROKIT2
This kit is for the enthusiast that is looking for that aggressive look with with a more performance oriented handling experience. The fronts are a 20mm drop and the rears are a 40mm drop. This look is a European look, and will seriously reduce the significant amount of understeer the new Camaro offers.
Part # Pedders Compnent Price

220032 "Camaro 2009 Front drop Coils & Ride Height with 20"" Wheels at 667mm
" $89.62
220032 "Camaro 2009 Front drop Coils & Ride Height with 20"" Wheels at 667mm
" $89.62
220033 Camaro 2009 Rear Drop Coils & Ride Height with 20" Wheels at 660mm $89.62
220033 Camaro 2009 Rear Drop Coils & Ride Height with 20" Wheels at 660mm $89.62
Pedders Drop Coils Only Parts Total $358.48
Menu System Discount $38.49

Menu System Discount Adjusted Parts Total $319.99

We will very shortly have a bunch of systems between the 3 and over the Xa Street.

If you have any questions, just ask

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Any pics of that set up? Also, will you guys have anything with a 1.3-1.4 inch drop? I really like the look of the H&R drop, but I think Id rather go with you guys because of this

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Any pics of that set up? Also, will you guys have anything with a 1.3-1.4 inch drop? I really like the look of the H&R drop, but I think Id rather go with you guys because of this
We are indicating what the drop range will be. We are doing this for accuracy. We are seeing some very large variations in heights from 1 identical Camaro to another. So we will drop as much as 1 inch in the front and as much as 1.8 inches in the rear; it really depends on where your vehicle is at. After we record 100+ Camaro heights, we will come up with a average drop.

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Old 08-28-2009, 10:01 AM   #11
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How is the ride quality with the spring kits only as compared to stock? I am looking to lower the height and improve the handling but stll retain the long trip driveability
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Old 08-28-2009, 12:24 PM   #12
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We are indicating what the drop range will be. We are doing this for accuracy. We are seeing some very large variations in heights from 1 identical Camaro to another. So we will drop as much as 1 inch in the front and as much as 1.8 inches in the rear; it really depends on where your vehicle is at. After we record 100+ Camaro heights, we will come up with a average drop.

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let me make sure I understand here

You guys are seeing different ride heights in Stock VS Stock same model Camaros

and

It's not set in stone that the 2nd package will drop 20mm front and 40mm back, or did you mean to indicate that the drop of both wil be between 20-40mm (I don't see a range on your original post)

My car will not necessarily drop the 20-40, it depends on what height Its currently riding Stock
Correct? Sorry I don't really understand your response to my questions
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he's saying that he sees variations in the stock suspensions that make listing an accurate drop hard to list, so depending on the car that we measure on there may be more or less of a drop. We are very critical on details like this, and want to provide the best info that we can. Variations in production cars will make it a bit more difficult.
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Thanks Rob,

Mike, any pics of a Camaro with either/both spring set ups on?
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I hear of the talk about lowering the car.. but what about handling upping the spring rates for less body roll
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Mike, any pics of a Camaro with either/both spring set ups on?
Here are some pictures of our stock 6 cylinder Camaro with 20 inch wheels and tires running our drop coils only:

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Ride quality will be sportier but will still have lots of comfort.
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are they available for order at this time? If not when is the ETA?
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are they available for order at this time? If not when is the ETA?
Pfadt springs are shipping this Monday, if you are interested give me a shout!

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Anyone have springs and or sway bar installed? What would you say is the difference in the ride both good and bad? Lowered my last car and i felt the bump stops more then once, just want to know how the spring effect the ride feel and how much the sway bars provide.
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Eibach sport springs will give a .75-1 inch drop. It stiffened up the suspension about 15% and cost $239 del. from ECsound here on camaro5. Installation should run around $330 with a four wheel alignment. The eibach bars are available in the next couple weeks for around $340 and should be installed at the same time as springs for about $50, if any. This is my current set up running the middle mounting on read bar and softest on front. Under$1000. I got a deal on the package, doing mag. shoot, that is why I chose it.

Coils will run $1400-1900 plus installation. I think you can use the $330 install number here as well. Bars are $340 Eibach, $450 hotchkis, $500 Pfadt. Install cost the same, but Hotchkis says you need to unbolt the eng. mounts to install, might cost more on install, no idea on Pfadt.

Also toss in the cost of having your suspension tuned with coils. With the adjustability of the coils (damper/rebound, spring rates), I would want a pro to tune and balance the car ($300 guess). I have heard of people wrecking their ride with an untuned suspension. Also, keep in mind I think you are going to get a harder track type ride with coils.

If money were no object.............I have no idea. Almost went with Pfadt, still might after photo shoot. That's my two cents!

Oh yeh, Koni and KYB are coming out with cartridge shocks to combine with the Eibach springs, should be sweet! And Eibach is developing their shocks as well. Too much stuff!
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The Pfadt bars are sweet. Installation was easy enough. Removal of the front stock bar was a bitch but the Pfadt bars go in easy. Worth the money. You'll love the way your car feels with these bars.
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This is probably a stupid question but, do the coil over packages replace both the shock and the coil? I understand it allows you to tune your ride height and coil tension.
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Yes.

The camaro uses struts, which are a cartridge shock and spring in a housing. Coils take the place of all that.
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This is probably a stupid question but, do the coil over packages replace both the shock and the coil? I understand it allows you to tune your ride height and coil tension.
No question is stupid. Not asking is!

The answer to your question is yes. Our Pedders coil overs give you an approx 1 inch height increase to a 2 inch + drop. Our coils are designed so no matter how much height change you have, you will maintain full suspension travel. this is a big deal for handling and comfort, and performance. Our dampers have a 30 way detented adjustable damper. In th 0 to 5 clicks, you are equal to a slightly sportier ride than the SS dampers, which are actually pretty good. My favorite setting is 12f and 10r which is an agressive street setting. The 20-25 clicks are at road race levels.

Our Xa dampers are mono tube design, and when you adjust the damping levels, you change the controls equally across all velocities. Some of the Xas on the market do not let you change the high speed velocity settings. We think this is a big deal

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Thanks for the info, sitting here thinking about getting springs to lower but why settle? Might as well just save up and get the best, go big or go home right?
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