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Old 04-27-2008, 04:29 PM   #1
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Consumer Guide's Impressions of the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro

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Consumer Guide's Impressions of the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro
Chevrolet's ponycar comes back in early 2009 as a coupe that will flip its lid by the end of the year. It's a great nostalgia trip, but will there be a market for it?

What We Know About the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro
As it was then, so it is now. The Camaro, born 40 years ago as Chevrolet's reply to the pioneering Ford Mustang, is coming out of retirement (since 2002) for a new fight with the namesake ponycar. It's set to bow for 2010 in at least two coupe models-V6 and V8, perhaps called RS and SS, respectively. Convertible versions join up several months later. Chevrolet confirmed these plans after splashy concept previews at the 2006 and '07 Detroit Auto Shows. Recalling the days when the Big Three were still big players, Dodge is reviving its Nixon-era Challenger (1970-74) for 2008.

General Motors decided to bring back Camaro when the redesigned 2005 Mustang fast proved a hot seller. But Mustang sales have lately cooled, despite the addition of potent pump-primers like the Shelby GT500. Blame record gas prices and renewed public concern over what thirsty vehicles do to the environment. Ford Motor Company's many well-publicized travails are another factor. All this leads some industry-watchers to think the new Camaro could end up chasing a vanishing market, especially as GM still has troubles of its own. Nevertheless, the project is a go. And though GM has reportedly hit the pause button on several other new rear-wheel-drive cars, it's unlikely to delay this one, let alone cancel it, after two years of making so much noise about it.

Convertible or coupe, the reborn Camaros will be much like the concepts, only less exaggerated. Wheels, for instance, will probably be no larger than 20 inches max, versus the show cars' 21s and 22s. Trim and paint will be toned down too. Otherwise, styling will be the concept blend of today's Chevy Corvette and cues from the 1969 Camaro, resulting in a more-modern look than either the current Mustang or upcoming Dodge Challenger. The new Camaros should also hew closely to concept dimensions. That means about 7.5 inches more wheelbase than the 2002 models, a similar amount trimmed from overall length, and about 5.5 inches more width. These changes should produce a roomier four-seat cockpit, though space in back (and in the trunks) will remain tight.

Also per ponycar tradition, the new Camaros will offer at least one budget-friendly V6 and one performance-oriented V8. Models using the V6 will employ GM's newer 3.6-liter twincam design with direct injection, as found in the Cadillac CTS. The V8, as on the concepts, should be the 6.0-liter base-Corvette engine equipped with GM's gas-saving Active Fuel Management cylinder-deactivation. If gas prices keep rising, GM's Bob Lutz has suggested the company may look at powering the Camaro with turbocharged 4-cylinder engines. Chevy may also offer a lower-power, lower-cost V-8, as Mustang does. All Camaro engines should team with six-speed manual or optional six-speed automatic transmissions. Four-wheel ABS disc brakes and traction control will likely be standard. Stability control should be included on V-8s, optional on V-6s. Coupes will likely have front torso side airbags and curtain side airbags. Ragtops may come with jumbo seat-mounted front side airbags providing both torso and head protection.

We said "ragtops" for a reason. For the sake of affordability as well as tradition, Camaro convertibles will retain a folding soft top. A trendy hideaway hard-shell roof would have cost too much for GM's price target, and might have caused reliability and production headaches. As on the concept, the top powers up or down from a flip-up panel behind the cockpit-no need for a fiddly flexible tonneau to look your best, as on the last drop-top Camaro.
A Notable Feature of the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro
The 2010 Chevrolet Camaro coupes and convertibles will be built at GM's plant in Oshawa, Ontario, Canada, which has long ranked high in independent audits of vehicle quality, among the best in North America. Let's hope that record continues with the new Camaros.

Buying Advice for the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro
Convertibles never sell as well as sister coupes, and the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro convertible should be no exception. Even so, it's no more likely to be a future collectible than the fixed-top Camaro, especially if demand comes close to GM's projected 100,000-unit yearly total. And even if that proves optimistic, resale values of all new Camaros will probably depreciate like those of any volume-production new car. Buy one to drive and enjoy, but don't expect to make money on it in the foreseeable future.

2010 Chevrolet Camaro Release Date: Dealers should have new Camaro coupes by March 2009. Convertibles are due around the end of 2009.
First Test Drive: We think media previews will be staged in late fall or early winter of 2008.

2010 Chevrolet Camaro Prices: They're a bit hard to predict, what with an on-sale date nearly a year away. But GM has said Camaro will be a premium car, and it won't compete with the Ford Mustang on price. Our guesstimate: The 2010 Chevrolet Camaro V6 coupe will start around $22,000 with the V8 model around $28,000. Convertibles will likely start at around $28,000 for a V6 model and range up to $35,000 for a V8.





This was music to my legs:

Changes to the interior give the 2010 Camaro more legroom and passenger comfort.



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Old 04-27-2008, 04:38 PM   #2
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Our guesstimate: The 2010 Chevrolet Camaro V6 coupe will start around $22,000 with the V8 model around $28,000.
$22K seems too good to be true for the V6. I'd guess more like $25K.
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$22K seems too good to be true for the V6. I'd guess more like $25K.
Why? MSRP for the mustang starts at under 20k. Nobody would buy a V6 Camaro for 5k more. And besides, everything about the Camaro sounds a little too good to be true.
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That interior looks great! Wish they showed the dash of course.
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Stability control should be included on V-8s, optional on V-6s.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electro...bility_Control :
The United States was next, mandating ESC for all passenger vehicles under 10,000 pounds (4536 kg), phasing in the regulation starting with 55% of 2009 models, 75% of 2010 models, 95% of 2011 models, and 100% of 2012 models.

I'd say it's pretty unlikely to be optional on any Camaro model.
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That is the concept interior. Look at the side mirrors.
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hmf...usually, I'm not ready to agree with anything consumer reports says. (I really don't like them) But I have to say, besides the whole "bringing it back because of the Mustang", and "chasing a dying market"...I think they got everything spot on. (Especially the prices!)
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hmf...usually, I'm not ready to agree with anything consumer reports says. (I really don't like them) But I have to say, besides the whole "bringing it back because of the Mustang", and "chasing a dying market"...I think they got everything spot on. (Especially the prices!)


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I am suprised, how many people on here, seem to be wanting the Camaro to be more expensive than it 'might' be. If everyone wants a $25,000 dollar base V-8, and GM knows that, they 'might' try to get close.... If everyone thinks $35,000 is fine they 'might' try to charge $37,000. We should expect the car to be loosely competitive with the Mustang (price) we can doubt that it will cost less, but we should not pretend to know that it will cost MUCH more than a similarly equipped (as close as they can be) mustang. If any one is fine paying $30,000 or more that is fine, but to say you are willing to pay .... ?30,$$$? before we know how much 'they' want to charge.....seems wrong somehow. I usually try to get a vehicle for less than MSRP... not just start throwing $$$$ at the dealership. As much as I want to help GM and keep the Camaro alive.... A big part of the reason we lost it in 2002 was because the mustang was cheaper ( by too much ) I bought my Z-28 new on 26 Sept 2002 for 26,000 down from an MSRP of 27679 and I got the 0% financing. I know it has been 6 years, but that car was far from base, it had everything except SS, leather, and convertable. The current mustang is still cheaper than my 02 Z-28 with T_tops and Bose/Monsoon/tilt/cruise etc... this is just me hoping that GM will try to keep the price close to the mustang, and hoping that 'WE' do not talk them out of it with our premature 'bidding'.
not intending this as an arguement or attack on anyone, just my .01 cent---saving the other one for the new Z or RS/SS
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I assume that a fully optioned SS convertible will be close to $40,000 if a stripped down base hardtop V8 is 28K.

The one I want could not really be called "blue collar" then. It is a sophisticated high-tech car with a white collar price.
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I agree with chadrcr. I want a base v6 MT Camaro for closer to $20,000, a number I've read a couple times. Really, I'd like it for under 20, and I don't mind manually operating my windows and locks, installing my own stereo, adding my own floor mats, etc...
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I am hoping that we get a lot of options, individually available in place of 2 price packages, from the base 4/6 all the way to the ZL1/LS3/LSA/LS7 or 'topdog' whatever the code/name.
I would like to have the option to chose a 5.3 (almost 327) or LS7 (427) or even a V-6 if gas mileage is susbstantially better than the 5.3 with afm...
My 02 Z-28 would get 28 on the highway IF you drove like a Grandmother, which did not happen much... My GMC Sierra 4x4 5.3 (not afm or dod) will get 22 on the highway ...IF no load, no hills no wind etc, but it pushes a lot of wind, compared to a Camaro, so if you start with a 310hp+ 5.3 which would have to get better mpg than in a Sierra and add the new fuel management... it will get 'good' mpg, perform near the 02 Z-28, sound great with duals and reduce the need for the 'ricer' Turbo-4 base Camaros, not that I am against that as an option. just do not want it to be 1 cheap basecar and 1 expensive 'loaded' Z-28 or SS with nothing in the middle for the engine options. I use 1969 as the goal.
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Give us a V6, 5.3, 6.2, and a LSA/9/7
Seems like more options would please more people...
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Convertible V8 starting 7k above a base v8? Am I the only one that sees something wrong here? Everything else looks pretty spot on except the 6.0 litre out of the vette info. That would mean the LS2. I couldn't find a timestamp for any of the information either.
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I like how they are trying to report on a car they haven't tested yet. The information seemed to be pretty reasonable though, so, nice find Let's just hope the pricing is a little high, although I have a feeling it'll be in that range. OH WELL! At least she's coming back
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I am suprised, how many people on here, seem to be wanting the Camaro to be more expensive than it 'might' be. If everyone wants a $25,000 dollar base V-8, and GM knows that, they 'might' try to get close....
I think people are just being realistic because a similar priced GT mustang doesn't have the extras the Camaro has.

It is very hard to imagine Camaro costing the same as mustang when the Camaro has more exotic parts (like IRS, 6-speed, a corvette engine, larger wheels/tires, etc.)

V6 Camaro comes with a 6-speed, and IRS rear suspension AND a 300HP DI V6 AND possibly dual exhausts? It would be wonderful if the asking price was the same as a V6 mustang but they are giving you way, way more on the base model Camaro than the mustang. You can even get better mileage perhaps with the tall highway gear too on any Camaro. I am not telling GM to raise the price. I'm sure they will figure out what is fair.
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I assume that a fully optioned SS convertible will be close to $40,000 if a stripped down base hardtop V8 is 28K.
Assuming the SS is the top level V8........................................
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I believe nothing until GM or an insider says it.

Despite saying that, I agree that there probably won't be a hardtop, the cost will be very low (definitely under $25k for a V6), and that Mustang sales decreases may be a bad sign. I'm still sure it will sell if advertised adequately, and plenty of Ford drivers will sell their Mustangs for a newer, hotter pony car.
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.and plenty of Ford drivers will sell their Mustangs for a newer, hotter pony car.
thats hard to say considering that there are so many ford loyalist who drives a stang just to kick gm & camaro ass, yall fell the same way when it comes to kicking ford/dodge asses with the camaro and gm..... so vice versa
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thats hard to say considering that there are so many ford loyalist who drives a stang just to kick gm ass, yall fell the same way when it comes to the camaro an gm
The loyalists will never sell theirs for Chevys, but you can't tell me that sorority chick sitting a few rows in front of me is going to keep her Mustang when daddy will buy her a new car. She's not a loyalist, and neither are most car buyers. When this car comes out, it will sell because it looks great. It will sell to loyalists because we like the way it drives and all the power it has. Ford lovers will drive Ford. I'm not saying they'll all convert.
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The loyalists will never sell theirs for Chevys, but you can't tell me that sorority chick sitting a few rows in front of me is going to keep her Mustang when daddy will buy her a new car. She's not a loyalist, and neither are most car buyers. When this car comes out, it will sell because it looks great. It will sell to loyalists because we like the way it drives and all the power it has. Ford lovers will drive Ford. I'm not saying they'll all convert.
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You can even get better mileage perhaps with the tall highway gear too on any Camaro.
Do you think it will have a nice tall 6th?

That's one of the major things I dislike about my VW Rabbit - 5th is way too short. I can't imagine why the ratios are so close. The GTI is the same body with a more powerful engine and a 6 speed, but 6th is the same as the Rabbit's 5th, so it's got even closer ratios. I have to believe you lose more time shifting than you gain from such close ratios. My Rabbit is pretty lively on the highway in 5th, doing 3000 rpm at 70mph, and I would much rather gain a few MPG and have to downshift for more than minor acceleration.

To hell with close ratios. I don't like them on bicycles and I don't like them on cars.
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I should also add that this argument explains the infiltration of foreign cars into the US market and why they are outselling domestic brands. If we were loyalists, we'd pick Buick over Lexus, Chrysler over Mercedes, and Lincoln over Infiniti every time.
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