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Old 08-25-2009, 05:33 PM   #1
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Tire Sealant Kit - Warranty Issues

I was aware that my new Camaro did not have a spare tire, but was not aware that using the inflator kit provided by GM (even following the instructions) is a) not approved by Pirelli and b) voids the manufacturers warranty on the tire in question. Additionally, doesn't the design of the wheel well in the trunk indicate somebody at GM thought a spare tire was a good idea? I can think of no other reason for a tire shaped impression around the battery. I minor topic I know - but the background is below...

From: Dempsey Barbara, US [mailto:barbara.dempsey@pirelli.com] On Behalf Of PTNA - Consumer Affairs, US
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:52 AM
To: John Breed
Subject: RE: Sealants



Pirelli does not recommend: 1) The use of tire sealants to repair, even temporarily, a puncture; 2) Repairing of V, W, Y or Z speed rated tires; 3) Repairing Run Flat tires.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:28 AM
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Subject: Sealants

From: John , Breed

To: PIRELLI TYRE US

Subject: Sealants

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Is it safe to use tire sealants to seal and re-inflate a Pirelli 245/45ZR20XL 103Y? That is what the instructions state in my owner's manual. I need a response as soon as possible.

John Breed

From the 2010 Camaro Owner's Manual:

......Immediately drive the vehicle 8 km (5 miles) to distribute the sealant in the tire....Replace it with a new canister available from your dealer/retailer... After temporarily sealing a tire using the tire sealant and compressor kit, take the vehicle to an authorized dealer/retailer within a 161 km (100 miles) of driving to have the tire repaired or replaced...

From Pirelli:
PTNA does not recommend the use of tire sealants in Pirelli brand tires to repair, even temporarily, a puncture....

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What Is Not Covered By The Warranty?...Tires injected with liquid balancer or sealant or in which anything other than air has been used as the support medium. Pirelli Website: http://www.us.pirelli.com/web/car-su...d/default.page
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Old 08-25-2009, 06:15 PM   #2
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interesting i did not know this wow how about that, another way to make some money
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Old 08-25-2009, 07:23 PM   #3
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Yikes! Looks like you void your warranty by filling with Nitrogen, too!

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the tire imprression is fro the V6's. they have a spare tire that can fit the car, unlike the v8's
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Old 08-25-2009, 09:37 PM   #5
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There is a reason that Pirelli does not warrant tires when used with sealant...

The sealant practically ruins the tire and is almost impossible to remove. My local America's Tire company will not even fix a tire that has been used with sealant.

Get the quick fix plug kit available for about $50 for a temporary fix and then get a PROPER patch done by a professional from the inside of the tire.

If you plan to do ANY high speed driving, a patch is the only type of fix because a plug can work it's way out with a high enough tire speed (centrifugal forces are a bitc*)!
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Old 08-25-2009, 09:41 PM   #6
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Yikes! Looks like you void your warranty by filling with Nitrogen, too!

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When I was putting nitrogen in my tires I was told the slime will destroy the pressure monitor in the wheel too.
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Old 08-25-2009, 10:26 PM   #7
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Update

The dealer, salesman and service manager all claimed they never heard about the issue with sealants and Pirelli. When they contacted the Chevy regional rep for Texas he told them "Chevy's sealant is approved for use by Pirelli. We have an agreement.." I asked to see that in writing and so far -no reply. Pirelli had a Quality Controll engineer call me back to say no way, no how would they recommend, allow or approve use of sealant and to his knowledge no agreement or anything like it exists.

I know ditching the spare lowers wieght, increases MPG and 1/4 mile times and keeps the base price low. My bet is that offered a chance, most 50+ year old drivers who use the Camaro as a daily driver would take a space saver spare over a can of goo any day. At the same time, when it comes to who knows rubber better, GM or Pirelli, the tire maker wins. Storing the can of goo in a tire shaped styrofoam donut is an insult....it's a tire well, not a 4 square foot beer kozie. If you get a spare and care about sports car performance - you take it out and buy your own goo. If you drive 80 miles a day and care about making it home safe in 100 degree Texas heat you keep the spare handy.
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Old 08-25-2009, 10:36 PM   #8
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I will never drive at freeway speed on a repaired Z rated tire...no matter how it was done.

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Old 08-29-2009, 10:52 PM   #9
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the tire imprression is fro the V6's. they have a spare tire that can fit the car, unlike the v8's
I have a V6 but it's an RS so it seems like it should have the pump and inflator right? I didn't pay for a spare and was REALLY surprised to see one there! Is it a mistake. Does everyone with a V6 RS have a spare and if we have one then why not the SS??? Should I take my car back and get a pump and can or be happy. And if I get a flat can't I just put it in the back seat if it won't go thru the trunk opening? Thanks for any info.
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The dealer, salesman and service manager all claimed they never heard about the issue with sealants and Pirelli. When they contacted the Chevy regional rep for Texas he told them "Chevy's sealant is approved for use by Pirelli. We have an agreement.." I asked to see that in writing and so far -no reply. Pirelli had a Quality Controll engineer call me back to say no way, no how would they recommend, allow or approve use of sealant and to his knowledge no agreement or anything like it exists.

I know ditching the spare lowers wieght, increases MPG and 1/4 mile times and keeps the base price low. My bet is that offered a chance, most 50+ year old drivers who use the Camaro as a daily driver would take a space saver spare over a can of goo any day. At the same time, when it comes to who knows rubber better, GM or Pirelli, the tire maker wins. Storing the can of goo in a tire shaped styrofoam donut is an insult....it's a tire well, not a 4 square foot beer kozie. If you get a spare and care about sports car performance - you take it out and buy your own goo. If you drive 80 miles a day and care about making it home safe in 100 degree Texas heat you keep the spare handy.
I have a feeling this is the beginning of a very large problem.
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Old 08-29-2009, 11:23 PM   #11
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I have a V6 but it's an RS so it seems like it should have the pump and inflator right? I didn't pay for a spare and was REALLY surprised to see one there! Is it a mistake. Does everyone with a V6 RS have a spare and if we have one then why not the SS??? Should I take my car back and get a pump and can or be happy. And if I get a flat can't I just put it in the back seat if it won't go thru the trunk opening? Thanks for any info.
You are lucky..... The spare is a $150. option on ANY V6 .
Look at your Window Sticker and tell me if the spare is not listed.
The tire they use for a spare does not fit with the larger SS Brakes.

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Old 08-29-2009, 11:30 PM   #12
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Don't use the sealant. Get a flat, call OnStar! Get towed into the nearest shop.
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Old 08-29-2009, 11:31 PM   #13
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You are lucky..... The spare is a $150. option on ANY V6. Look at your Window Sticker and tell me if the spare is not listed.
It's probably different in Canada... I was offered the tire sealant as a no-cost option and turned it down and that's what the chevrolet.ca site still shows... the spare is never mentioned on the site or on my sticker so it's probably standard. The sealant option is not mentioned if you configure an SS so it's standard here too. Another difference is that IOM paint is no-cost here still! Only the RJM is extra. Sweet eh?

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I have a feeling this is the beginning of a very large problem.
I've read in car magazines that spare tires and cans of goo are basically superstitions left over from ancient times before radial tires, paved roads and cellphones. 99.9% of spare tires are never used and most cars never even have a flat and the tires are scarcely more liable to fail than any other part of the car statistically. You might as well fill your tire well with spare alternators and belts and water pumps and head gaskets etc. And if you add them up they cost untold billion$ in oil to make and to carry around for no reason.
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Old 08-31-2009, 10:26 AM   #14
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This reminds me of this old state senator I knew back in Alabama. I once offered to fly him back home from the Capitial in a single engine airplane. He said no thanks, he never flew in single engine aircraft, to which I said "the odds of a single engine failing are so small as to make the twins only marginally safer. He said, "its not the odds I'm... Read More worrying about, it's the stakes." That's the way I see the spare tire/goo issue. If the goo is unsafe (and Pirelli say it is), then I'll take my chances with a spare. Statistically, the average driver has 5 flats in a driving lifetime. I have had my share. An alternator failing presents a very differend risk than a blow out of a speed rated tire. True most spares never get used, I just want to be told the facts and allowed to decide for myself. If you are satisfied the goo is good enough, use it. As for me, there are whole stretches of West Texas where I'd rather have a spare. And the odds of finding a Pirelli 20 tire are near zero. Lastly, good maintance can virtually ensure a belt and generator don't fail - at least without warning, and if they do, the car isn't drivable period. Maintaince will not protect you from a nail or glass in the road. As to the previous post about filling the trunk with spare parts: A better analogy would be if GM included a can of belt dressing, Marvel Mystery Oil and radiator sealant and said all of those were safe as a replacement part (at least for 100 miles). I don't think they are....and with the recent closure of dealerships, that tow to get a tire looked at is a lot further than it used to be...
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Old 08-31-2009, 11:53 AM   #15
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the tire imprression is fro the V6's. they have a spare tire that can fit the car, unlike the v8's

Yes, I bought the spare tire when I ordered my Camaro.

Also I was quoted a price of $200.00 for lifetime balance, rotation and repair at Discount Tire for all 19" tires on the Camaro.

Good deal all around.
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Old 08-31-2009, 12:33 PM   #16
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I have a V6 but it's an RS so it seems like it should have the pump and inflator right? I didn't pay for a spare and was REALLY surprised to see one there! Is it a mistake. Does everyone with a V6 RS have a spare and if we have one then why not the SS??? Should I take my car back and get a pump and can or be happy. And if I get a flat can't I just put it in the back seat if it won't go thru the trunk opening? Thanks for any info.
The V6, even with the RS package, does not come with the Brembo brakes. Therefore, the donut will still fit the vehicle.

The V8, with the Brembo brakes, comes with the inflator deal. The donut will not fit over the Brembo brakes. That's the only reason the V8 cannot get a donut spare. If you want a spare for a V8, you would have to get a full-size spare, and I don't think a full size spare will fit in the indention in the trunk...
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Old 08-31-2009, 12:59 PM   #17
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anyone try a full size spare in the SS trunk?
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I don`t think it`s so much a warranty issue but more of a liability issue. If Pirelli where to approve of using a tire sealant and that tire where to fail, Pirelli might be held liable for approving this type of repair. Just a guess.
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Old 08-31-2009, 01:12 PM   #19
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Well, you know, the goo that comes with the car is not meant to be a permanent repair. Maybe that's where people are getting confused. I can totally see some idiot getting a flat, squirting that crap in his tire and inflating the tire, and then trying to run down a drag strip...
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Old 08-31-2009, 01:30 PM   #20
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I carry a spare and would encourage everyone else to do so, it does happen. the extra 22lbs is worth it for me.
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Where'd you get the extra rim? From the dealer?
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Old 08-31-2009, 03:43 PM   #22
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For what it's worth, I pulled the specs on the 2010 Mustang and from the base model to the GT the spare tire is standard equipment. Not sure about the Charger. Also, a can if GM's special "Fix a Flat" from the part's counter will be nearly $80! (Note: if you can buy one - as most dealers don't stock them) That is about a third of the cost of a new Yokahama AdvanST. Discount Tire is working to source me a cheap rim to see if it will fit the trun's tire well and over the battary - so I hope to know that by tomorrow AM. To me the real issue is that Customer Service at the new GM doesn't know cars. Every rep with "district" or "region" in their title ought to spend a month as a service writer at a dealer before being in charge of handling technical issues with customers. It would be the best training they could get -

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Old 08-31-2009, 06:25 PM   #23
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Hyundai Genesis Spare vs Sealant

Many of the comparisons written about the Gen. 5 Camaro reference the Hyundai Genesis, so I was curious how they handled the issue of a spare tire vs sealants. While I am no Hyundai fan, I think they deserve credit for this package : Jack 4.2 lbs, Lug wrench and jack handle 1.4 lbs, Spare tire (18″) 31.5 lbs. It bolts right up ands only marginally to the overall weight. Any drive wanting to shead a few pounds can leave the spare in the garage. For a spare, the wheel even looks "ok" relative to the donut rims of a few years ago.
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An alternator failing presents a very differend risk than a blow out of a speed rated tire.
Hopefully people that do use the goo aren't going to pump it up and go back up to 155mph but I don't think that a leak in a tire would lead to a blowout anyway if it was plugged. And definitely don't go 155 on your spare!
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Don't use the sealant. Get a flat, call OnStar! Get towed into the nearest shop.
Yeah, but how much does it cost to call onstar? like $150ish is my guess?
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