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Old 08-27-2009, 09:45 PM   #176
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Got my car last friday, was reading the owners manual and it said my car has back up sensors, (which it does not), looks like blinking lights will be installed in the center of the rear view window on the ledge. there are no dots on my bumper, there is aldo no lights on my rear window ledge??????????????
I imagine there's no $300 MSRP increase on your car as well.

Consider yourself one of the lucky ones.
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Old 08-27-2009, 09:47 PM   #177
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I imagine there's no $300 MSRP increase on your car as well.

Consider yourself one of the lucky ones.
I am a girl, kinda short 5'3" i think the sensors would have been sweet. There are a lot of blind spots in the car. Don't want to ruin the look with thoese stupid spot mirrors!
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That kind of stinks about builds after 31st that were order already won't get the back up sensors. I was really looking forward to them. Good thing I'm electrical engineer in the automotive field, looks like I'll be doing it myself like I was going to do anyways I guess... I just wouldn't have had to grab as many parts from work. :(
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People who can drive don't need back-up sensors.....
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Screw backup sensors......WE WANT HUD!!!!!!!!!
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Old 08-27-2009, 10:11 PM   #181
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I'm impartial to the sensors, I could go with or without them. But since I'm still at 1100, looks like I'll have to live with them. Have to save up an extra $300 though, which is a bit of a bummer deal...that could have gone to an official Camaro car cover lol.

I personally would go without them, but I want the C&C package on my 1LT for other reasons. I figure it'll be useful sometime.
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Old 08-27-2009, 10:13 PM   #182
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I am curious to see if the back-up sensor can be added to the pre-8/31 built Camaros - both the sensors and where the display shows up DIC, PDIM or elsewhere. So we'll need to wait (as always, we've had plenty of practice) and see...

My Auto Body buddy had told me of aftermarket sensors that could be added - here's one site which provides many options - http://www.backupsensors.net/ - and there are local shops that install these.

So for many of us its an aftermarket GM option or other if we're really interested in these sensors.

For me I'm A-OK with the mirror except for the directly behind blind-spot...
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Old 08-27-2009, 10:20 PM   #183
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I'm not sure I like these sensors. My hubby has them on his truck and sometimes when we turn the key on the sensors go off and we can't get it to stop. We have to turn the truck off to get it to quit.
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Old 08-27-2009, 10:26 PM   #184
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People who can drive don't need back-up sensors.....
People who can drive can have kids, dogs, cats, etc. end up behind the car after it's been entered/started and fully out of view- it's not just for parking. I live in a neighborhood with alot of kids and animals - and the system that was in my Acura prevented a couple of close calls during ownership.
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Old 08-27-2009, 10:29 PM   #185
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QUOTE=Dynabyte;853978]People who can drive can have kids, dogs, cats, etc. end up behind the car after it's been entered/started and fully out of view- it's not just for parking. I live in a neighborhood with alot of kids and animals - and the system that was in my Acura prevented a couple of close calls during ownership.[/QUOTE]

YOU ARE SO RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!
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--I haven't had the chance to read thru the entire thread but I'll add my two cents....

We discussed this with our Camaro Disciples because we felt it was important to get the Enthusiast point of view. (It was my belief that more buyers who did not necessarily ever own a Camaro would want this feature....and I wish I'd held off buying Mom Settlemire her Camaro just to get this feature) The disciples felt that it was well worth offering.

In a perfect world, we'd offer every option as a 'free-standing' option.....but it would certainly add substantial cost if we didn't have packages -- further, it makes assembly much more difficult and more mistakes could occur.

We were the last manufacturer, I believe, to 'de-proliferate' -- the Imports have very few choices -- Stripped, Middle, Loaded -- that's it.......

So the decision was not made in a vacuum.....

We worked hard to make the system as concealed as possible. You receive an audible warning -- no lights.
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Old 08-27-2009, 11:08 PM   #187
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Some good discussion here.
I personally think it is a nice option - and I am impressed that GM is listening and paying attention to feedback in a very dynamic way.
I do agree that it should be a selectable option - for folks who dont feel that they need them and who are concerned about the look of the car.
I dont understand the weight concern since the camaro is already a pretty heavy beast and these things really should not weigh that much
You could probably save more weight by assuring that you go to the bathroom before driving the car ;-)
GM is not listening and paying attention to customers,back-up sensors were planned for the Camaro all along! Look in your manual,they describe how to use them.They didn't get them designed in time for release when the Camaro came out.Samething with the ambient lighting.When 2011 rolls around,all the complaints about the interior will be rectified.
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Old 08-27-2009, 11:18 PM   #188
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Hopefully the harness will be easy to find and unplug.
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Old 08-27-2009, 11:32 PM   #189
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I can see a spot above the rear interior glass in my car where a place-holder for back-up lights, similar to the system in my wife's minvan, would be. I can see where ht elights will go (small round holes covered by interior material). I also saw the reference in the owner's manual and simply thought that the supplier missed some launch deadlines and we'd see a delayed intro .. the system being described though (audio only) would indicate those lights were supposed to serve some other purpose?
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Old 08-27-2009, 11:33 PM   #190
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WHY, WHY, WHY...

all these lazy, spoiled, features to make our driving experience easier and more user friendly. I perfer to be in control, not some computer telling me what to do.

What this does do is make people become more dependant on safety features and gizmos instead of learning how to really drive a car. Like having a pair of training wheels on a bike..And we wonder why there are so many bad drivers out there today.. cause they dont have to learn how to really think & drive, the car freakin tells them what to do.

Use the freakin mirrors and learn how to drive, instead of depending on some sensor to tell you when to stop. It is like they are making the cars idoit proof now days.....

I want more muscle and less weight for a better driving experience!
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Old 08-27-2009, 11:34 PM   #191
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This is a feature I personally don't want. I've been driving box trucks at work for the last 16 years and haven't backed into anything except the docks I was supposed to. I'm not afraid of technology, but I'm pretty sure this is going to ugly up the back bumper, and if I wanted ugly there are plenty of other cars out there to choose from.

Maybe if I'm really lucky there will be someone out there above 1100 with the same car on order who would want to trade me places.
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Old 08-28-2009, 02:48 AM   #192
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They came standard on my 2004 Monaro (GTO in the US) and are pretty useful as you can't see the boot lid at all. I have to parallel park a lot so it takes the guess work out of it. Not the manliest of equipment though, I'll admit.

ETA: On the 'ro they sit slightly inset in the bumper and are body colour. Not really noticeable unless you get close up. You can only just pick them out in this pic:



No reason to think the Camaro install will be any worse.

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Old 08-28-2009, 03:02 AM   #193
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This is a incorrect photoshop - NOT ACTUAL

Yeah its not the actual.. I thought people would realize I just added it to the main image .. but when you say an incorrect photoshop.. why? Am I wrong in thinking they would put the sensors there? Or would it go somewhere else?
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Old 08-28-2009, 03:30 AM   #194
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No thanks. I have mirrors.
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Seriously, this feature is only for everyday'ers and those with V8's would be stupid to ever put themselves in a situation where they need to use these back-up sensors in the first place. I personally wouldn't risk damage and find somewhere else WAY out of the way to park. Look around the area you need to park in before you do it. You won't need the sensors. Trust me!
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Old 08-28-2009, 03:50 AM   #195
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really hoping these discs are well concealed and dont break up the lines of the rear fascia. was planning on a late 10' model yr. car just for this reason. should be an option!
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WHY, WHY, WHY...

all these lazy, spoiled, features to make our driving experience easier and more user friendly. I perfer to be in control, not some computer telling me what to do.

What this does do is make people become more dependant on safety features and gizmos instead of learning how to really drive a car. Like having a pair of training wheels on a bike..And we wonder why there are so many bad drivers out there today.. cause they dont have to learn how to really think & drive, the car freakin tells them what to do.

Use the freakin mirrors and learn how to drive, instead of depending on some sensor to tell you when to stop. It is like they are making the cars idoit proof now days.....

I want more muscle and less weight for a better driving experience!
in all honesty, who the **** are you?


are you the general public?


are you the panel of 12 gear heads that were the ones who suggested that this be a good idea?




i can not understand some of you people with your high ******* horse attitude that you need what you want and there's nothing else about it.


go away, your part of the reason why the 4th gen went away to begin with (along with your whinning how things should be options and the way you want them which increases costs and when only so few people buy those things well then a car goes the way of the dodo)


realize for once and for all that this car is meant to appeal to all people of all walks of life and that's the way it needs to be if you still want to drive a camaro in 5 years.

take it with a grain of salt that cause they add one or two features that it causese enough of the general public to buy enough camaro's that the next powerhouse is a feasible developement through GM.


pardon my language but i am so damn sick and tired of people bitching about things that in the end are the better for a car they supposedly care about (when in fact all they care about is themselves 94% of the time).


and one more thing. just for a second think that people might actually enjoy this feature. i drive perfectly well on my own and dont need a system, but if there's something that lets me know when i'm 1-2 feet away from a car behind me while i'm parellel parking, then i wont need to put the car in neutral and hike up my parking brake just so i can step outside and make sure that i'm not about to hit the guy behind me thanks to that beautiful high honched rear end.


and to those who put a damnation to technology that helps people (and in many cases gives people a crutch) go screw yourself and ride around on a LSX 454 sled with 4 wheels and a tranny, there's your barebones ride.



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Given the fact that the majority of people buying these cars aren't planning to be race heads, your point is moot. More non-racers will buy these cars then you think, the majority sold will be V6s so I'm pretty sure people buying the V6s aren't worried about being the fastest and worrying about the weight of the car.
I can attest to the fact that I will never race anyone with my Camaro , my life is much too valueble to me and others. I will however being backing up occasionally
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I spoke with my dealer about this today. He read directly from the same letter quoted in earlier posts. He then confirmed that, for my camaro (order status 3300, TPW 09/07), they will NOT be adding the rear parking assist sensors. Basically, if your order is currently in the system as of the day the letter came out (yesterday?), and if your are at or beyond status 2000, don't plan on seeing this addition to your car. Also, he did confirm that the price would increase by $295.00.

I asked if it could be special-ordered or added later...he thinks it would be one hell of an aftermarket add-on because of the wiring and rear bumper mods that would be needed. He was not optimistic.

I'm kind of bummed...would like to have the feature. He said I could cancel my current order and place a new order...I said NO THANKS!

I'll live without it and have my RJT by the end of Sep!
In the same situation exactly. I would have liked it, but so be it.
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--I haven't had the chance to read thru the entire thread but I'll add my two cents....

We discussed this with our Camaro Disciples because we felt it was important to get the Enthusiast point of view. (It was my belief that more buyers who did not necessarily ever own a Camaro would want this feature....and I wish I'd held off buying Mom Settlemire her Camaro just to get this feature) The disciples felt that it was well worth offering.

In a perfect world, we'd offer every option as a 'free-standing' option.....but it would certainly add substantial cost if we didn't have packages -- further, it makes assembly much more difficult and more mistakes could occur.

We were the last manufacturer, I believe, to 'de-proliferate' -- the Imports have very few choices -- Stripped, Middle, Loaded -- that's it.......

So the decision was not made in a vacuum.....

We worked hard to make the system as concealed as possible. You receive an audible warning -- no lights.
maybe it will put some people at ease if we had a picture of what it will look like on our camaros?
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WHY, WHY, WHY...

all these lazy, spoiled, features to make our driving experience easier and more user friendly. I perfer to be in control, not some computer telling me what to do.

What this does do is make people become more dependant on safety features and gizmos instead of learning how to really drive a car. Like having a pair of training wheels on a bike..And we wonder why there are so many bad drivers out there today.. cause they dont have to learn how to really think & drive, the car freakin tells them what to do.

Use the freakin mirrors and learn how to drive, instead of depending on some sensor to tell you when to stop. It is like they are making the cars idoit proof now days.....

I want more muscle and less weight for a better driving experience!


I haven't used this in a while, but it's as good a time as any...

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