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Old 08-27-2009, 02:08 PM   #120
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It's called parenting! If you have no idea where your 4 year old is... dont back up until you do! Somehow no one ever ran over me or any of my siblings (I'm one of 6) and we have never owned a car with backup sensors.

I have no issues with the convenience of having backup sensors if you want them. I DO, however, have an issue with them being provided for people as a crutch to help them not know how to drive. If you cannot park your car without a bunch of idiot-proof gizmos, you shouldnt be allowed to own it.


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Old 08-27-2009, 02:13 PM   #121
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So if it's such a big safety concern, why is it not available on the 1SS? Why does the 1SS keep getting left out of these options? Not everyone wants leather seats!


Thank you HeavyD, I ordered the 1SS, now I'm glad I settled for no extra gizmo's
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Old 08-27-2009, 02:14 PM   #122
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Good to hear, they are very handy! I have them on my STS and it's great!
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All the seatbelts and air bags and extra weight in the world didn't get this car a 5 star crash rating, so why foist yet another $300 onto the car for people who don't HAVE 4 year olds or for people who actually watch where their 4 year olds are playing?

Why not petition the government to make these mandatory on ALL cars, like air bags and seatbelts? That way we can burn more foreign oil to lug around thousands of pounds in extra safety crap for people who are too ignorant to drive carefully and pay thousands of dollars when all that crap fires off when you run over a gopher or deer?

If we didn't have these safety nanny devices mandated we could have a sub-$30K 2SS/RS!!!!!!!!!!


Hey btw...


What exactly was the official word on the Camaro going 4 stars? Wasnt the excuse for the car weighing in at almost 2 tons because it was 'safer'? Infact if I remember correctly, people were saying their insurance was lower because the camaro met this AND the next (2012) safety requirement.

Now the Mustang at 300~ lbs less has a better crash test rating?


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I wonder why all 2SS and 2LT orders that haven't been built are getting charged for the rear park assist anyway. I just went to chevy.com and built my car just as I ordered it and it is the same price, even with the rear park assist. So anyone who orders there car now essentially gets the rear park assist for free. I don't want them in the first place, but seriously another $295 that we don't have a choice on!
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What exactly was the official word on the Camaro going 4 stars? Wasnt the excuse for the car weighing in at almost 2 tons because it was 'safer'? Infact if I remember correctly, people were saying their insurance was lower because the camaro met this AND the next (2012) safety requirement.

Now the Mustang at 300~ lbs less has a better crash test rating?



I thought there would have been more of an uproar about this because that was the line they were using when people complained about the weight. Ironic that all the weight didn't help. In fact, I would be willing to wager that the car fared poorly in the crash tests BECAUSE it has too much mass to slow down safely with current crash protection systems.

Who wants to address THIS idea?
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Old 08-27-2009, 02:32 PM   #127
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I wonder why all 2SS and 2LT orders that haven't been built are getting charged for the rear park assist anyway. I just went to chevy.com and built my car just as I ordered it and it is the same price, even with the rear park assist. So anyone who orders there car now essentially gets the rear park assist for free. I don't want them in the first place, but seriously another $295 that we don't have a choice on!
I almost went to Chevy.com to check, but glad you saved me the time. I don't believe anyone with the mentioned models will be charged the $295. As stated, it will be included as long as your car begins production after August 31st is the way I took it. And Chevrolet's website already reflects that. One should only be charged the $295 if you do not have any of the models mentioned or take your current car back in for the option.
I ordered in May, but my car is not slated for production until September 17th so looks like I am two weeks within getting this option. Sweet!
And yes, it will cost you $295 if you already have the car cause it is much more feasible to install this along with everything else when making the car. The cars already sold are too late and that's just the sad way that it goes. Sold as is and pay for extras!
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Old 08-27-2009, 02:35 PM   #128
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Why did they focus on something useless when people are waiting for HUD and ABL?
I'd say that based on the following quote from this thread: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/newrep...reply&p=848577, park assist has always been planned for a late 2009 release.

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FROM CONCEPT TO REALITY. CHEVY UNVEILS THE 2010 CHEVY CAMARO.

July 21, 2008

It's been one of the most talked about concept vehicles in automotive history. Now it's more than just a concept.

Today, at simultaneous events at the GM Tech Center in Warren, Michigan, and GM West Coast Advanced Design Studio North Hollywood, California, GM unveiled the 2010 Chevy Camaro. Sales begin in early 2009.

"The new Camaro delivers the best of both worlds – great heritage and a thoroughly modern, advanced package of performance, comfort and technology," said Ed Peper, Chevrolet general manager. "It's a sports car for a new generation of enthusiasts that doesn't forget the heritage that helped make the original a cultural icon."

And now, Camaro is returning to the streets. You'll be able to get the four-passenger, rear-wheel-drive performance Camaro Coupe in first quarter 2009 and the Camaro Convertible will follow within a year of the coupe.

A fast take on the facts

Built on the new GM global rear-drive platform, the Camaro is offered in V6-powered LS and LT models, as well as the V8-powered SS. All models and powertrain combinations include efficient six-speed transmissions.

"Camaro delivers all of the things that make Chevrolet such a revered, global brand," said Peper. "It is a car that competes with the best sports cars in its class, but does so with surprising efficiency. That is no small feat, and it took a worldwide commitment to achieve it."

The information provided below is current at time of publication. For even more product details, see the 2010 Chevy Camaro Spec Sheet and the Camaro Color Options.

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A 3.6L DI VVT V6 engine with a projected 300 hp and manual six-speed transmission is standard on LS and LT models. Choose the available six-speed automatic with TAPshift to achieve an estimated 26 mpg highway1
A 6.2L V8 with a projected 400 hp with six-speed automatic transmission with TAPshift includes Active Fuel Management technology to achieve 23 mpg highway1
For the top-of-the-line, the 6.2L V8 with manual six-speed transmission produces a projected 422 hp
Four-wheel independent suspension system, including a 4.5 link rear suspension
Variable-rate power steering with the rack mounted forward of the front axle for better weight balance and greater driver feel
Four-wheel disc brake systems with ABS standard on all models, including four-piston Brembo calipers on SS models
StabiliTrak Electronic Stability Control System with traction control standard on all models

Competitive/Sport modes for the Stabilitrak system offered on SS models, including launch control on SS models equipped with the six-speed manual transmission
Robust body structure and exceptional build quality
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Sleek, heritage-inspired styling with contemporary cues and 10 available exterior colors
Detailed interior with heritage-inspired design, excellent attention to detail and available ambient LED lighting technology
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Premium Boston Acoustics 9-speaker, 245 watt audio system with subwoofer available on select models
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Ultrasonic Rear Parking Assist available on select models (planned for December, 2009)
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Old 08-27-2009, 02:36 PM   #129
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Hey btw...


What exactly was the official word on the Camaro going 4 stars? Wasnt the excuse for the car weighing in at almost 2 tons because it was 'safer'? Infact if I remember correctly, people were saying their insurance was lower because the camaro met this AND the next (2012) safety requirement.

Now the Mustang at 300~ lbs less has a better crash test rating?


I have what I beleive to be a valid reason in my post on page 16 of this thread about the crash test ratings:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...=35988&page=16

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It's called parenting! If you have no idea where your 4 year old is... dont back up until you do! Somehow no one ever ran over me or any of my siblings (I'm one of 6) and we have never owned a car with backup sensors.
Two questions:
1. You've never had kids have you?
2. Do you read the news? Children are backed over and killed or injured almost every day by people who thought they knew where their children were, or were supposed to be. Children can be unpredictable and sometimes downright sneaky, or the person you assume is watching them screws up. Just because it didn't happen to you or your siblings doesn't mean it doesn't happen. We used to ride around in cars that didn't even have seatbelts (they USED to be optional), so I guess we should all stop wearing them?

I wish my truck had them. My neighbors across the street let their 5 year old ride around on his power-wheels Hummer. Sometimes he goes in the street between his and his grandparents house next door in our small neighborhood, somewhat unsupervised. Our driveways line up. Scares the crap out of me because if he were behind my truck I'd never see him. Of course his father often had him sitting on his knee while cutting the grass on their riding mower. Worst part is the kids mom is a nurse! Is it my job to parent my neighbors kid too?

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Old 08-27-2009, 02:39 PM   #130
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...what? How exactly is ambient lighting useful?

And the HUD? You can see your speed by looking down at the speedometer...

I would like to see both of these as well, but your agument confuses me...

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Owners will learn to appreciate the rear parking assist. Good job GM!!!
I plan on dark tint in the rear so it's only going to help me get as close to other cars as I can when backing up without having to step out and glance while looking like I can't backup!!!
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Old 08-27-2009, 02:44 PM   #131
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One more thing, I have 5 kids and I've taught them well. I'm not concerned about any of them standing behind me. My youngest being 3 is the only one I would have to worry about, but with dark tint, those big pillars, and other non-attentive dufuses, it's only a plus! And again, it also helps to get to about a foot to another car while backing up without having to get out and look like a dufus or without scraping a bumper while chancing getting close in a tight area. I haven't done that, but many people have. Just my two cents, but I speak from experience. We have the parking assist on two vehicles and it has been very helpful for backing up while not being able to use your brain as a precise measuring tape!
I think GM needs a thank you here for looking out for us and others and also not treating it as a money making scheme. They are including it on three models without charging extra and $295 is not bad either for the added protection it provides!
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Old 08-27-2009, 02:55 PM   #132
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It will probably look something like this, which to me isn't that bad:


(you don't even notice them at first)
This is a incorrect photoshop - NOT ACTUAL
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This is a incorrect photoshop - NOT ACTUAL
Thanks much for that clarification. I would imagine it would be impossible to hide the sensors completely, but I hope it blends in fine.
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I thought there would have been more of an uproar about this because that was the line they were using when people complained about the weight. Ironic that all the weight didn't help. In fact, I would be willing to wager that the car fared poorly in the crash tests BECAUSE it has too much mass to slow down safely with current crash protection systems.

Who wants to address THIS idea?

I also thought this would cause more of a stir but I guess the thought police worked overtime. How many of us would have accepted this excuse had we known then that it was basically Grade A bull?

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I have what I beleive to be a valid reason in my post on page 16 of this thread about the crash test ratings:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...=35988&page=16
That is a possibility... but id give that an F for FAIL if thats the Case...
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