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Old 08-28-2009, 08:13 AM   #201
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I would rather have sensors in the front bumper as you have no idea wear it is. The after market web site has kits for both front and rear bumpers.
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Old 08-28-2009, 08:17 AM   #202
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go away, your part of the reason why the 4th gen went away to begin with (along with your whinning how things should be options and the way you want them which increases costs and when only so few people buy those things well then a car goes the way of the dodo)


Yeah, and while we're at it, how about a third row of seats and four doors? People love that stuff! They'll be ordering in droves! That'll cement the Camaro's place in the future.
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Old 08-28-2009, 08:27 AM   #203
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in all honesty, who the **** are you?

are you the general public?
are you the panel of 12 gear heads that were the ones who suggested that this be a good idea?
i can not understand some of you people with your high ******* horse attitude that you need what you want and there's nothing else about it.
go away, your part of the reason why the 4th gen went away to begin with (along with your whinning how things should be options and the way you want them which increases costs and when only so few people buy those things well then a car goes the way of the dodo)
realize for once and for all that this car is meant to appeal to all people of all walks of life and that's the way it needs to be if you still want to drive a camaro in 5 years.

take it with a grain of salt that cause they add one or two features that it causese enough of the general public to buy enough camaro's that the next powerhouse is a feasible developement through GM.


pardon my language but i am so damn sick and tired of people bitching about things that in the end are the better for a car they supposedly care about (when in fact all they care about is themselves 94% of the time).

and one more thing. just for a second think that people might actually enjoy this feature. i drive perfectly well on my own and dont need a system, but if there's something that lets me know when i'm 1-2 feet away from a car behind me while i'm parellel parking, then i wont need to put the car in neutral and hike up my parking brake just so i can step outside and make sure that i'm not about to hit the guy behind me thanks to that beautiful high honched rear end.

and to those who put a damnation to technology that helps people (and in many cases gives people a crutch) go screw yourself and ride around on a LSX 454 sled with 4 wheels and a tranny, there's your barebones ride.

//end rant
I am sick of posers who claim to be enthusiest. Putting this lame system on the Camaro isn't going to make one person change their mind to buy it over a competitive vehicle. maybe not on the 1SS? Of course I am sure HUD won't be either.........sheesh

The list grows.

1. Remove Onstar
2. Remove shark fin
3. Remove parking assist.
4. Remove tq management.
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Old 08-28-2009, 10:17 AM   #204
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Personally i like the fact we are getting new features. I'd rather have the option to remove them myself than not have the option at all.

Everyone has ideas of what they want and don't want. It doesn't come down to driving skill, its just a convienince that some people would like.

The HUD would be cool, needed no, but still a cool feature that we might want to have as an option.

I am a tech guy so any technology for me is a great to have.

Alot of people like creature comforts, choice is key.

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Old 08-28-2009, 10:26 AM   #205
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Back up sensors on your muscle cars, not good. I have them on our minivan and thats where they belong. Bet ya the Mustang and Challenger forums will have a field day with this option.
Just ask the Challenger owners if they received oars with their "boats" when they bought em.
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Old 08-28-2009, 10:39 AM   #206
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HUD won't be free either....the more goodies, the more price gets out of reach.
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Old 08-28-2009, 10:54 AM   #207
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WHY, WHY, WHY...

all these lazy, spoiled, features to make our driving experience easier and more user friendly. I perfer to be in control, not some computer telling me what to do.

What this does do is make people become more dependant on safety features and gizmos instead of learning how to really drive a car. Like having a pair of training wheels on a bike..And we wonder why there are so many bad drivers out there today.. cause they dont have to learn how to really think & drive, the car freakin tells them what to do.

Use the freakin mirrors and learn how to drive, instead of depending on some sensor to tell you when to stop. It is like they are making the cars idoit proof now days.....

I want more muscle and less weight for a better driving experience!
People on the internet sure do love to bitch and complain. This thread was meant to be an informative thread by the respected CamaroScotty, not a place for you to stand up and announce your better-than-everyone-else driving skills. Stop living in the past, people. As I said earlier... I don't see anyone complaining about power windows, power mirrors, etc... You people just have to have something to complain about, so you can stand out from the crowd and look "cool" in front of everyone. But instead, you just look like pure ass. Congratulations.

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This is getting really irritating...

For people like this... The "anti-technology" people... Along with the "gotta-be-a-manual" people... Trying to keep everything old school, and do-it-yourself... Why not get rid of power windows while you're at it? You have arms, you can crank them windows down manually! And power mirrors? Screw 'em! I'm sure you have a friend that wouldn't mind sitting in the passenger seat and adjust them for you. What about power steering? Don't you want to "feel" like you're actually steering the car? And no key fobs for you either. How about manually unlocking your door with your key from now on... That should make you feel more comfortable.

You see... technology is moving forward... little by little, car manufacturers are adding new features to help us... That does not mean people don't know how to do stuff. Do we not know how to roll up an old-school window? Or adjust a mirror? Of course we can, if necessary. But these new technologies are there to help. Do you think people bitched and complained about the first wheel being invented? "You're using what?! To make transporting stuff easier?! You fail at life! You have arms and legs, just walk and carry that stuff over your shoulder!"

Meanwhile, you are sitting on the internet... the most technologically advanced and "convenient" form of communication we currently have... Why don't you go back to hand-writing letters and sending them in the mail?

Or better yet, just go back into your cave while the rest of the world advances around you.
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Old 08-28-2009, 11:01 AM   #208
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Well said. I know I don't want to go back to roll-up windows and non-power steering. That sucked.
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Old 08-28-2009, 11:02 AM   #209
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Yeah, and while we're at it, how about a third row of seats and four doors? People love that stuff! They'll be ordering in droves! That'll cement the Camaro's place in the future.
were talking about mid MY changes, not revamps of the platform... think in terms of the overall idea. can you really compare a 2 door addition to a pack of 4 sensors the size of quarters?

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I am sick of posers who claim to be enthusiest. Putting this lame system on the Camaro isn't going to make one person change their mind to buy it over a competitive vehicle. maybe not on the 1SS? Of course I am sure HUD won't be either.........sheesh

The list grows.

1. Remove Onstar
2. Remove shark fin
3. Remove parking assist.
4. Remove tq management.
pardon me good sir but you dont even drive a camaro, you drive it's cousin. poser i am not with my restored 73 z and my 2010 2ss.


you may think it wont change any minds. but why would the people (15 of 12) that helped make this car what it is agree with the idea if it was sooooo off beat?


again, think overall and not just your own needs and wants. think of what a new camaro owner would want, not the one who is through and throughout bred to love this car.

for the love of all things camaro please read the above two comments!
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Old 08-28-2009, 11:50 AM   #210
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Yeah, and while we're at it, how about a third row of seats and four doors? People love that stuff! They'll be ordering in droves! That'll cement the Camaro's place in the future.
Thanks for trying but, you fail. Two extra doors and a third row of seats fundamentally changes what type of car it is. The addition of a sensor does not.

Honestly, your only real beef is "I don't like it so it shouldn't be in there."

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I am sick of posers who claim to be enthusiest. Putting this lame system on the Camaro isn't going to make one person change their mind to buy it over a competitive vehicle. maybe not on the 1SS? Of course I am sure HUD won't be either.........sheesh

The list grows.

1. Remove Onstar
2. Remove shark fin
3. Remove parking assist.
4. Remove tq management.
And just who died and made you the god of all things enthusiast? Just because someone else may like and want those things does not mean they're not an enthusiast, it just means they have different taste than you are.

Its getting to the point, it seems like people are just looking for things to bitch about. If all you can do is look for things to bitch about, and especially if that bitching is about included features, perhaps you need to look into another vehicle, like maybe one made before 1970. If you buy a modern ****ing car, don't be surprised when it has modern ****ing features...
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Old 08-28-2009, 12:08 PM   #211
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Thanks for trying but, you fail. Two extra doors and a third row of seats fundamentally changes what type of car it is. The addition of a sensor does not.

Honestly, your only real beef is "I don't like it so it shouldn't be in there."

And just who died and made you the god of all things enthusiast? Just because someone else may like and want those things does not mean they're not an enthusiast, it just means they have different taste than you are.

Its getting to the point, it seems like people are just looking for things to bitch about. If all you can do is look for things to bitch about, and especially if that bitching is about included features, perhaps you need to look into another vehicle, like maybe one made before 1970. If you buy a modern ****ing car, don't be surprised when it has modern ****ing features...
No actually you fail. Why should someone have to pay for things they do not want that add no value to the driving experience. $295 would go a long ways to a CAI or catback. Some of us are actually performance oriented.

Really? modern features?


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pardon me good sir but you dont even drive a camaro, you drive it's cousin. poser i am not with my restored 73 z and my 2010 2ss.

you may think it wont change any minds. but why would the people (15 of 12) that helped make this car what it is agree with the idea if it was sooooo off beat?

again, think overall and not just your own needs and wants. think of what a new camaro owner would want, not the one who is through and throughout bred to love this car.

for the love of all things camaro please read the above two comments!
What does me not owning one have to do with anything? I plan on buying one late next year.

I gurantee you that if that was a stand alone option the % of buyers who would select it would be small.

I see 2 types of people who would buy this car. The GM enthusiest such as myself who has owned at least one F-body for the last 26 years.

Then you have the crossovers from other brands.......it appears gm did a great job addressing many things that kept a lot of people from the 4th gens ect. but back up sensors ect........ain't it.
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Old 08-28-2009, 12:10 PM   #212
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$300, Forget it! That is way too much money to make your car's bumber look ugly. I would rather spend that money on a small LCD screen install with camara that would be invisible because it would be attatched onto the license plate bracket.
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Old 08-28-2009, 01:39 PM   #215
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No actually you fail. Why should someone have to pay for things they do not want that add no value to the driving experience. $295 would go a long ways to a CAI or catback. Some of us are actually performance oriented.
1. If a price increase of <1% on a $33k+ car is busting your budget to the point you can find the $$ for a CAI or a catback, then you need to rethink your purchase altogether. Honest to god thats like buying a Ferrari and then bitching about how you can't afford $1000 for an oil change or something.

2. Nobody is forcing you to buy anything you don't want. If you don't like it that bad, vote with your wallet and don't buy it. Simple and a lot less effort than bitching isn't it? I'd be willing to bet GM isn't gonna miss one more "loyal customer" who only sees fit to bitch about everything.

3. If someone really is holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy the car, please tell me where you are and I promise I'll send help post haste.

You need to learn to accept the fact that it is in fact 2009 and not 1969 and vehicles made by the major manufacturers come with packages of features. No matter how hard you bitch its not changing because there's no business case for it to be otherwise with a $30k car...
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Old 08-28-2009, 02:34 PM   #216
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2010 2LTs and 2SS have reverse sensors.
deal with it, or be glad you ordered early enough.

I, on the other hand, am sad that my car is 3300 and i cannot add it to mine :(

they just added the feature, and i do not see it going away soon, or made an option. Sorry.
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2010 2LTs and 2SS have reverse sensors.
deal with it, or be glad you ordered early enough.

I, on the other hand, am sad that my car is 3300 and i cannot add it to mine :(

they just added the feature, and i do not see it going away soon, or made an option. Sorry.
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...what? How exactly is ambient lighting useful?

And the HUD? You can see your speed by looking down at the speedometer...

I would like to see both of these as well, but your agument confuses me...

Actually HUD sounds kind of marginal until you have had one, when it came with my first Grand Prix GTP, I thought on the test drive, I am glad I can turn it off, but after having now over 8 years on 2 GP's I have to say they are great and I am already looking at after-market ones to add to my Camaro for just the speed, I have not had to look down for speed in a very long time now. That said, nothing can match factory installed HUD...
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don't think we've yet heard of retrofit for those already built/delivered?

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Old 08-28-2009, 03:44 PM   #220
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I wish my car had them, it may have kept my son from bumping into a chunk of concrete in the dark. Time for a new bumper. :(
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I'm impressed by all the passion about backup sensors. I don't think I care one way or another, but there seems to be some misunderstanding. The only way you'd get the sensors is if you get the 1LT w/ the SRJ package or the 2LT or 2SS. So, if you are all about performance, I am guessing that you have or want the SS. The things that the 2SS has that you can't get on a 1SS are

Bluetooth, PDIM, USB port, steering wheel-mounted audio controls, leather-wrapped steering wheel and shift knob, cargo convenience net, remote vehicle starter system (with AT), Universal Home Remote, Heated leather seats, heated side mirror; driver-side auto-dimming, inside rearview auto-dimming mirror, and the gauge cluster.

Apart from the gauge cluster, these are not performance (more muscle) options. If you really don't like the backup sensors, 1SS with aftermarket gauges may be a good choice. Just a thought.

My 2LT will be my daily commuter, so I am looking forward to the comfort and gas savings in a damn fun, good looking car.
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I'm an old fart, I like all the bells and whistles on a car. I grew up with crank windows, drum brakes, pump windshield washers ..... If you want to rough it just buy the base model and build it the way you want ....
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That kind of stinks about builds after 31st that were order already won't get the back up sensors. I was really looking forward to them. Good thing I'm electrical engineer in the automotive field, looks like I'll be doing it myself like I was going to do anyways I guess... I just wouldn't have had to grab as many parts from work. :(

It is my understanding all orders at 1100 now, with a build after 8/31 will get the assist .....

Also if you are at 1100 now make sure your dealer corrects your order to show the update or it will sit at an error level and not move...
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the only reason why i would ever care is if they added this feature is if i had to wait an extra extended period(which i dont have to wait ) of time for my car . I just want my car and when i get it ill be a happy camper.
If you guys really care about not having the sensors so much, then just remove them/ or be happy you have ur new car.
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