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Old 08-30-2009, 02:48 PM   #1
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Best performance for 10k?

I'm looking to spend around $10,000 (more or less) on performance. I'm not sure if I want to go with Hennessey, Ligenfelter, or something else. What do you all recommend I do? What should I get put in and who should I get to do it? Thanks!
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Old 08-30-2009, 02:54 PM   #2
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What is your desired goal? You can go into suspension, losing unsprung weight..heads,cams,NOS, forced induction..etc...what do you want to do??
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Old 08-30-2009, 02:59 PM   #3
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What is your desired goal? You can go into suspension, losing unsprung weight..heads,cams,NOS, forced induction..etc...what do you want to do??
Well. I want it to be streetable. I drive it often. I was thinking forced induction but have a very open mind right now.
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Well. I want it to be streetable. I drive it often. I was thinking forced induction but have a very open mind right now.
I am asking when you say performance..I see that you posted this in the Forced Induction section..so I know there are quite a few supercharger and turbo systems under your price point. Vendors are on here with plenty of builds
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Old 08-30-2009, 03:05 PM   #5
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I am asking when you say performance..I see that you posted this in the Forced Induction section..so I know there are quite a few supercharger and turbo systems under your price point. Vendors are on here with plenty of builds
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Any suggestions though? You've dealt with Ligenfelter right? Easy to deal with? Just trying to get some ideas on what to put in and who to deal with.
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Any suggestions though? You've dealt with Ligenfelter right? Easy to deal with? Just trying to get some ideas on what to put in and who to deal with.
Well as a Moderator I have to stay neutral..that being said...I have had two Lingenfelter Vehicles done for me...I love their product, workmanship, reliability and customer service...I would recommend you call around..MTI,Hennesey, Lingenfelter and the other shops that are around..do your due diligence and research..I personally would not recommend going with a shop that is new in the game...also dont be afraid to ask to speak to some of their customers...that is the true testimony
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Old 08-30-2009, 03:23 PM   #7
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Well as a Moderator I have to stay neutral..that being said...I have had two Lingenfelter Vehicles done for me...I love their product, workmanship, reliability and customer service...I would recommend you call around..MTI,Hennesey, Lingenfelter and the other shops that are around..do your due diligence and research..I personally would not recommend going with a shop that is new in the game...also dont be afraid to ask to speak to some of their customers...that is the true testimony
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Old 08-30-2009, 03:28 PM   #8
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From years of experience and going through the pain moding, I'll give you one advice. Go with a proven technology. Skip the hype. My suggestion is to go a simple a effective route. At this point Maggie TVS2300 is a great proven kit. Find a GOOD tuner near you and with $10K, you can have the full install done. Hope this helps!
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Old 08-30-2009, 05:05 PM   #9
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get ahold of andy at ADM Performance he is very knowlegable and has great costomer service just installed a maggie and adm s/c cam and cold air intake everything went great he aswered all my questions without being a dick like alot of performance retailers are i definitly sugest ADM Performance prices are good too
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Old 08-30-2009, 09:33 PM   #11
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For $10k you can get alot of performance!
Certainly boost is the path of least resistance in this field. (no pun intended) Weather it be a Pro-Charger or a Maggie or even a turbo, I think you will find that BOOST is your friend

The Maggies give you brutal low end torque (a little hard on tires in a street car but lots of fun for sure). The Pro-Charger is more linear with RPM and makes good peak HP and more streetable torque and in the long run, better MPG. It really comes down to what your long term goals for the car are.

If you couple boost with a properly ground camshaft and exhaust, You should be overwhelmed at the result. There are LS3s out there right now making 700 RWHP in daily drivable condition.

As stated before "do your due dillegance". Research, ask questions, and make an eduacted decision. It shouldnt be too dificult with all the info in here
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Old 08-30-2009, 10:12 PM   #12
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What about the 720hp single turbo kit from the shop in Florida? I'd say right now given its price that's going to be the best bang for your buck @ less than 10k.
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Old 08-30-2009, 10:29 PM   #13
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Shit for 10 grand I'd forge the bottom end and then pic your boost choice,for me it would be turbo,but each his own,but for that money you should be able to make sum serious power,more than most if you use it right good luck on your decision
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Old 08-31-2009, 12:31 AM   #14
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What about the 720hp single turbo kit from the shop in Florida? I'd say right now given its price that's going to be the best bang for your buck @ less than 10k.
Best "performance" for the money right now seem to be the kit Van mentioned. The Ultimate Performance Single Turbo kit made 525rwhp and 540rwtq out of a L99 at 8.5 lb boost (the baseline was 314rwhp and 311 rwtq). They are advertising the retail price at 5,995 for a "tuner kit" (ie. everything except the injectors and tune) and 6,795 for everything (tune and injectors included). There is a thread at http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32577 showing it' history, progress and results if it peaks your interest. If you look around, most of the other kits on L99's are barely breaking 500 rwhp (unless paired with cams or LT headers which is more money).

For comparison...I just went thread hunting and found these:

Vortech's kit is still in the R&D stage and made 484rwhp & 421rwtq @ 8psi on an L99 (price is yet to be announced). The thread is at http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23344.

Fastlane's ZL1 Single turbo made 520rwhp and 509 rwtq @ 7psi on an L99 (price is yet to be announced). Thread is at http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33619 EDIT: They are reporting 528rwhp and 528rwtq at their homepage http://fastlaneincorporated.com/camaro.asp. Baseline dyno was 349rwhp and 321rwtq. I am unsure of the price of the package, couldn't find it.

MagnaCharger's TVS2300 made 456rwhp and 470rwtq @ 6psi on an L99. Hotdamn, this L99 was a factory freak!!! 344rwhp at baseline? Sheesh!! One owner got real lucky on the L99 pick lotto Thread is at http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...t=27475&page=2 Up to my knowledge... MTI, Hennesey & Lingenfelter use a TVS2300 (I think MTI uses the TVS1900 & TVS2300) so their numbers might be similar, but don't take my word for it and do a search (they might be sold at different boost levels; and definitely at different price levels )

ATI Procharger P1SC made 472rwhp and 470rwtq @ 8psi. Baseline 314rwhp and 331rwtq. This is another L99 but apparently had ARH Long Tube Headers. Thread is at http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32549

Not all dynos are equal; if I were you, I would look at the gains (hp and tq) from baseline for each kit and compare. If you are a purist, divide that gain by the PSI and you will find out more or less how much power per psi each kit is putting out if you were to take a kit up to the same PSI. This will be a guesstimate of course.

P.S. I only mentioned kits on the L99 for comparison's sake. The LS3 versions are making more power @ the same psi with equal mods. And also, you might find better prices than those mentioned here if you really go hunting for them, but at least those where the ones advertised.

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I'm going to break the L99 trend here... but you might also want to keep an eye on the the STS kit (Rear mounted twin turbo kit). It looks like they are setting themselves to be a very strong contender based on what they have done on the corvette LS3. 356rwhp & 346rwtq to 602rwhp & 609 rwtq = 246rwhp & 263 rwtq gain @ 8.5 psi!!! However, there are no numbers on the Camaro plataform (LS3 or L99) at this time and the price seems to be at 7,999 . Tread is at http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...t=37457&page=6

If I left any kit out, or made any errors on the info provided, feel free to add to the thread.
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Old 08-31-2009, 10:36 AM   #16
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Fastlane's Single Turbo kit is $8500-9000 on ebay right now.


Ours is $5999 and you will need about $1000 more dollars worth of things from your local tuner.


For this amount of money, you can put out 750 HP all day if you think your car will handle it.

We are new to the game as far as the 2010 Camaro goes but we are not new to the game when it comes to building really fast turbo cars.
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Old 08-31-2009, 10:39 AM   #17
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For the kits that are pushing out over 550-575hp - what are you using to get fuel to the engine? As I have heard, the factory fuel system is only good for about 575hp and after that needs some help.
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From what I understand--the aformentioned kit only required larger injectors and a tune.

So this is a good point as it was something I've been mulling over as well...with my EVO we had to do a load of supporting modifications -- like in improving the intake, the headers, the exhaust, the fuel injectors, the fuel PUMP, and in some cases of super high HP reinforcing the internals and/or bottom end--not to mention the tune and other system supporting mods like the brakes and suspension (to keep the car balanced).

How is it that the LS3 engine / system doesn't need these things?
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If you want a clean install and a system you won't have to fuke with, get the TVS. If you like to fix and tinker with stuff, there are lots of options. I've had three Magnuson blowers. MP112, MP122, and a TVS2300. EVERYTHING you need comes in the box. I run the 122 daily and the TVS when I'm lucky enough to have a mission that it can handle. All three have been flawless. They've broken some parts, but through no fault of the blower. When you strees parts beyond their engineered strength, sheet happens. My half ton truck is blown, vette is blown, and when Camaro prices settle down a bit, a nearly new one will get a TVS.
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Twin turbos - Intense Racing in Ohio, my car made 545 rwhp 545 tq with 7.8 lbs boost. I dirve the car every day (in heavy rain sometimes) and it is awesome. I'm taking it to the track next week (weather permitting) to see how it will run. It is amazing how sedan like the car is when driving to work, however, when you go wot, it is a monster of a car.

Intense Racing did a great job and are reliable with tons of experience. Having said that, from what I have seen on the forum, there are plenty of choices and shops with good reputation and proof on making a good product.
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im always down for some twins baby. ill be going with the sts setup. i know a lot of peeps dont like it but when men wanted to fly people were saying its impossible but men being as hard headed as we are kept trying and guess what we are flying now.

people have always been scared of new things dont fall into that trend. im shooting big. i think you should open your mind up.....

you dont have to have an sts turbo or a supercharger. you dont even need forced induction to go fast. just dont be scared to take a risk.......
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Fully forge the bottom end, have the head's ported & polished, then 250 horse direct port nitrous system, it should fly !!! Don't forget a new clutch & gague's
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