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Old 03-15-2014, 09:30 AM   #1
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I make 535 rwhp and my target is 650 rwhp, what to add?

Hey guys!
I'm planning to reach my next goal! 650 rwhp!
Currently my ls3 makes 535 rwhp with these mods:

Magnuson supercharger (stock pulley)
1-7/8 American Racing Headers (long) + off road pipes
CAI intake
ZL1 fuel pump
Borla s-type 2.5" cat-back
McLeod RST clutch

What is the best mods that will let me reach my goal saaaaaaaafely with almost 0 issues?
Should I add a cam or a stroker or what and what's the best brand to buy from?
Should I upgrade the entire fuel system including injectors or do you think that BAP will be enough?
Should I upgrade the cylinder heads?

I know that's a lot of questions but I need your experience

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Old 03-15-2014, 10:04 AM   #2
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Pulley down and larger injectors.
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Old 03-15-2014, 10:25 AM   #3
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You'll need to pulley down, address fuel, add a cam and if I use the criteria stated above, fully forged internals.

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You will for sure need a cam and smaller pulley. Don't forget about fuel or you won't last long. I would go ID850's and dual pumps.
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Old 03-15-2014, 10:36 AM   #5
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Experets will chime in but this is from my experience.
Rear OD Cog so you won't run in to slippage issues.
Cam & heads would be great.
ZL1 pump with BAP may be good but to be safe get a dual pump setup + injectors off course .
Don't forget the heat soak issue either with SuperChiller or Meth.

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Comp Cam w/BTR dual springs, OD rear cogs, 3.6" pulley and ADM's FPCM for your ZL1 pump. Depending on the dyno and what type of fuel you can get octane wise, you will be there.

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Old 03-16-2014, 10:28 AM   #7
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To hit 650 wheel, you need a blower cam and overdrive rear pulleys. Your 3.8" front pulley should do fine. You don't have to go apeshit with the cam. Something like this http://www.lingenfelter.com/mm5/merc...1#.UyXBr7lOU5s would be great for a camshaft. All this is assuming you have LT headers and a good exhaust. Also assuming you have proper injectors and the fueling system to feed them.
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Old 03-16-2014, 02:27 PM   #8
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Old 03-16-2014, 03:41 PM   #9
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I reached 650 rwhp with an auto with
Maggie OD cog, 3.4 front (12psi)
Night Fury cam, LPE twin, 850 ID's, LT's
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Old 03-16-2014, 04:40 PM   #10
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Not sure what else you're looking for. The recipe is pretty clear. SmokedSS's version is a little more than needed because he has an A6. His would be closer to 700 with an M6.
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Old 03-16-2014, 05:40 PM   #11
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Any more ideas?
About the same setup. OD cogs and 3.6pulley, kooks LT, Rotofab intake, ID850, ZL1 fuel pump and a great tune and youll be @ 650 RWH. That's my setup and than the torque pretty much systematically took out clutch, driveline, axles ect. Plan on investing your cam $$$ into drivetrain!
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Old 03-17-2014, 04:38 PM   #12
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I reached 650 rwhp with an auto with
Maggie OD cog, 3.4 front (12psi)
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Can your internals handle this much power?
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Old 03-18-2014, 08:50 AM   #13
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Make sure you upgrade the axles - or the entire rear end.

Driveshaft probably isn't too far out as well.

extra power will break the stock CV joints on the axles.
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Comp Cam w/BTR dual springs, OD rear cogs, 3.6" pulley and ADM's FPCM for your ZL1 pump. Depending on the dyno and what type of fuel you can get octane wise, you will be there.

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Old 03-20-2014, 07:46 AM   #15
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I was thinking about swapping to forged rods and pistons and increasing the boost, what do you guys think?
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With a good blower cam.
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I was thinking about swapping to forged rods and pistons and increasing the boost, what do you guys think?
If you can keep it close to 10 #'s of boost and you have a tuner that knows what they are doing, your car SHOULD live for a very looooong time.

I'm just a tad under 12 #'s of boost and have beat the piss out of my car for 65k miles (30k under boost). Just keep in mind that stuff can break and the more boost you run, the more likely you are to break it.
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Hey guys!
I'm planning to reach my next goal! 650 rwhp!
Currently my ls3 makes 535 rwhp with these mods:

Magnuson supercharger (stock pulley)
1-7/8 American Racing Headers (long) + off road pipes
CAI intake
ZL1 fuel pump
Borla s-type 2.5" cat-back
McLeod RST clutch

What is the best mods that will let me reach my goal saaaaaaaafely with almost 0 issues?
Should I add a cam or a stroker or what and what's the best brand to buy from?
Should I upgrade the entire fuel system including injectors or do you think that BAP will be enough?
Should I upgrade the cylinder heads?

I know that's a lot of questions but I need your experience

Thanks all!
You have a Great foundation so this will be easy and reliable

JRE rough Idle blower cam package
ZR-1 Map sensor
ID-850 injectors
ADM Fuel pump control module with Option to add MSD voltage booster if going above 650 RWHP
Colder spark plugs
3.4 pulley for 9.5 psi boost
JRE supertensioner
fresh belt same size
JRE custom tuning to bring it all together.

This is a Pretty Standard and very reliable 650 RWHP recipe, there are many of this exact combination running around for years.

This can all be done on the stock long block, heads would further improve this combo to around 680 RWHP.

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I would go with the OD cog setup w/cam and your current pulley to make the 650. 3.4" with rough idle cam at sea level makes 610 rwhp at 7.5 psi for me. 3.8 w/ OD would be roughly equivalent to the 3.2 pulley if my math is correct.
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You have a Great foundation so this will be easy and reliable

JRE rough Idle blower cam package
ZR-1 Map sensor
ID-850 injectors
ADM Fuel pump control module with Option to add MSD voltage booster if going above 650 RWHP
Colder spark plugs
3.4 pulley for 9.5 psi boost
JRE supertensioner
fresh belt same size
JRE custom tuning to bring it all together.

This is a Pretty Standard and very reliable 650 RWHP recipe, there are many of this exact combination running around for years.

This can all be done on the stock long block, heads would further improve this combo to around 680 RWHP.

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3.4" non OD rears will yield 9.5-10# ? Given you have bolt ons, cam ? I was expecting around 11-12...
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Old 03-20-2014, 06:55 PM   #22
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Thanks all!
I really appreciate your help
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3.4" non OD rears will yield 9.5-10# ? Given you have bolt ons, cam ? I was expecting around 11-12...
I have the same build in my car with a ZL1 fuel pump. Built and tuned by Jannetty Racing I'm at 640/568 @ 9.5#'s.
BTW you lose 2#'s of boost with headers
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Trade blower/headers/etc in on a TT kit and make more than 650 and way more torque would be my suggestion, but I'm biased. For what you can sell the headers/cai/maggie for you could just add a bit and have a very nice TT setup that would make 700+ no issues and when you want more, just turn the dial up.
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650 rwhp

I have the same goal of 650 rwhp, I'm just wrapping up the install so we'll see how it goes.
Whipple w/ 3.875 pulley
ID 850 injectors
ADM dual pump setup
ESAD cam from CBI
SLP LT headers , no cats 3" w/x pipe
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