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Old 05-08-2008, 02:00 AM   #1
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Pricing/Engine/Motor Predictions

Ok everyone, feel free to post your pricing predictions for versions of the 5th gen Camaro and debate.

I'll start with my predictions:

2010 V-6 (300HP) Camaro = $19,990 base / $22,390 loaded

2010 LS3 (430HP Z-28) Camaro = $27,990 base / $31,790 loaded

2011 (SC LS3 (505HP SS) Camaro = $35,575 base / $38,995 loaded



Now, the reason I think the V-6 is deff. 300hp is because of that new Genesis being a 300 hp V-6. I think Chevy would love for a V-6 Camaro to be able to take out a Genesis AND a V-8 Mustang.

The reason I believe the base V-8 is a Z-28 is simple....it's been that way a long time now, why change it now and confuse casual buyers. The only people that it matters to are the enthusiasts. Most casual buyers remember the past couple gens having the top model Camaro be the SS. I believe the Z-28 will have the LS3 at 430 HP, reason being the past couple Z-28 gens had a weird HP number like that (I know that might be a stupid reason to believe that). And second, why de-tune the LS3 to put in a Camaro!!! Come on, the Camaro is being RE-BORN, why they hell would they want to de-tune ANYTHING in this beast? And it's not like it will be faster than the Corvette.

Now I chose the SS as the top dog Camaro having a 505HP SC LS3 that we won't see until 2010 as a 2011 model. The reason I think the SS will have a SC LS3 is because I know deep down GM wants the top dog Camaro to have LS7 power. I recall GM stating that the LS3 is a toned down LS7. I ALSO remember them saying that the LS3 is BETTER than the LS7....which is probably why they ridded themselves of the LS7 and came up with the LS9. So my guess is a SC LS3 can equal the LS7.

I know there is a 5th gen engine/motor coming out, but I think it won't happen until 2011.
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Old 05-08-2008, 09:55 AM   #2
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Ill agree with the V6 version and the base V8 version, but i believe the supercharged version will have more like 550 hp and will be available at launch. There is no reason for GM to delay the top dog. The competition (GT500KR) is already gonna be out there and it wouldnt make any sense not to make it available at launch.
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Old 05-08-2008, 10:09 AM   #3
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+2 I think the V6 and V8 options (although I don't agree with the base being a Z28 yet) will be around those prices, give-or-take about a grand, but I think the supercharged version (again, assuming there is one) will be in the lower to mid-40s.
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Old 05-08-2008, 10:10 AM   #4
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No way in hell a 505 hp car will come in with a base of 35,575.

JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Here are my predictions:

BASE: 300 hp V6 3.6 - 19,900 base / 23,900 loaded / 26,900 loaded vert.

BASE V8: 430 hp LS3 V8 - 27,900 base / 31,900 loaded / 35,900 loaded vert.

Hi-Po V8: 525 hp LS? (Supercharged) - 39,900 Base / 41,900 Loaded / 45,000
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Old 05-08-2008, 11:08 AM   #5
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I personally think if there is a supercharged option for Camaro, it will be more than 505 horse. Since it was speculated there was another supercharged 6.2L variation to replace the LS7, why would they only make it the same power as the engine they were superceeding? I don't understand why they wouldn't just use an LSA, but this was only speculation.
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Old 05-08-2008, 11:23 AM   #6
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As much as I hate to say it, I think your HP ratings for the V6 and entry level V8 are a bit overrated...... I would guess the V6 will be 270 hp and the LS3 will come in at an even 400.

Other than that, I think your predictions look accurate.
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As much as I hate to say it, I think your HP ratings for the V6 and entry level V8 are a bit overrated...... I would guess the V6 will be 270 hp
The CTS's V6 is rated at 303 horses...so why wouldn't it be in the Camaro? Even the Lambda siblings are getting 280 horses out of the DI V6.


MY Guess:

~240hp DI Turbo 4 @ 19,995 base price (If it happens)
~300hp DI V6 @ 21,995 base price
~420hp LS3 Variant @ 27,995 base price
500+hp LSA variant @ 40+ thousand. (they're not looking to sell a lot of these, why not make a few bucks in the process?)
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Old 05-08-2008, 11:44 AM   #9
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MY Guess:

~240hp DI Turbo 4 @ 19,995 base price (If it happens)
~300hp DI V6 @ 21,995 base price
~420hp LS3 Variant @ 27,995 base price
500+hp LSA variant @ 40+ thousand. (they're not looking to sell a lot of these, why not make a few bucks in the process?)
You beat me too it, I was gonna add the DI Turbo to the list.
My guess is pretty much what you listed. I don't think they'll be alot of the 500+hp LSA variant either so why not tag it with a hefty price.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:45 PM   #10
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GAH!

I think we have had this discussion once or twice . . .

$20 500 - $24 000 V6 - 280 hp 3.6L DI
$28 500 - $32 000 Z28 -385 hp retuned L76
$39 000 - $42 000 SS - 540 hp SC 6.2L
those are starting - loaded prices, not ranges for starting. Oh, coupes only

This gives a roughly equal increase in power, percentage wise. Its enough to beat all the competitors of roughly equal cost
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:49 PM   #11
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I think you are right, but I think is going to be.

2010 V-6 (300HP) Camaro = $21,990 base / $23,390 loaded

2010 LS3 (400HP detune Z-28) Camaro = $27,990 base / $29,790 loaded

2010 LS3 (430HP SS) Camaro = $29,990 base / $32,790 loaded

Limited production 2011 (SC LS3 (530HP SS) Camaro = $35,575 base / $40,995 loaded.


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Ok everyone, feel free to post your pricing predictions for versions of the 5th gen Camaro and debate.

I'll start with my predictions:

2010 V-6 (300HP) Camaro = $19,990 base / $22,390 loaded

2010 LS3 (430HP Z-28) Camaro = $27,990 base / $30,790 loaded

2011 (SC LS3 (505HP SS) Camaro = $31,575 base / $33,995 loaded

Limited production 2011 (SC LS3 (530HP SS) Camaro = $35,575 base / $40,995 loaded.

Now, the reason I think the V-6 is deff. 300hp is because of that new Genesis being a 300 hp V-6. I think Chevy would love for a V-6 Camaro to be able to take out a Genesis AND a V-8 Mustang.

The reason I believe the base V-8 is a Z-28 is simple....it's been that way a long time now, why change it now and confuse casual buyers. The only people that it matters to are the enthusiasts. Most casual buyers remember the past couple gens having the top model Camaro be the SS. I believe the Z-28 will have the LS3 at 430 HP, reason being the past couple Z-28 gens had a weird HP number like that (I know that might be a stupid reason to believe that). And second, why de-tune the LS3 to put in a Camaro!!! Come on, the Camaro is being RE-BORN, why they hell would they want to de-tune ANYTHING in this beast? And it's not like it will be faster than the Corvette.

Now I chose the SS as the top dog Camaro having a 505HP SC LS3 that we won't see until 2010 as a 2011 model. The reason I think the SS will have a SC LS3 is because I know deep down GM wants the top dog Camaro to have LS7 power. I recall GM stating that the LS3 is a toned down LS7. I ALSO remember them saying that the LS3 is BETTER than the LS7....which is probably why they ridded themselves of the LS7 and came up with the LS9. So my guess is a SC LS3 can equal the LS7.

I know there is a 5th gen engine/motor coming out, but I think it won't happen until 2011.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:21 PM   #12
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NA-V6 - 300hp
NA-V8 - 430hp
FI-V8 - 530hp

$20k to $36k thats Camaro.

$40k+ thats Corvette.

$40k + ADM (for a Mustang?) thats Shelby.

Please don't "Shelby" the Camaro.
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+1; althought I don't think we're going to be looking at low-$40s for a supercharged version. I wish, but I don't think it's going to be reasonable.
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NA-V6 - 300hp
NA-V8 - 430hp
FI-V8 - 530hp

$20k to $36k thats Camaro.

$40k+ thats Corvette.

$40k + ADM (for a Mustang?) thats Shelby.

Please don't "Shelby" the Camaro.

Are you saying that a 530hp Camaro will come in around $36K just cause it has a Camaro name? An average priced Vette is more like $50K+ new. A $40K'ish priced 500+hp Camaro seems like the only logical guess for that kind of powerplant it will have and also considering that it's probably going to have upgraded suspension, brakes, and exterior features. That doesn't make it "Shelby" It makes it a "Shelby killer". $40K is not too much to ask for a top of the line Camaro. Sure it's never been that high priced before, but it also hasn't been that high powered. Back in the day they charged $3K more for 20hp, a hood scoop, spoiler and some SS emblems. This would be a whole other animal from past versions so why wouldn't it cost alot more?
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Old 05-08-2008, 02:55 PM   #16
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why? let all the guesses be consolidated here. Then we can read through in September and list off who's close, and who was dead-wrong.
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But this is the second thread that is on this topic... can you at least merge them?
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It may be a little out there but I have a strong feeling that ......
Base Camaro = 2.0L TDI w/260hp (competition for base Mustang at the same price but more power and fuel efficiency)
Camaro RS = 3.6L DI w/ 306hp (affordable pony car with RS sport appearance and still providing over 300hp, a cheaper alternative to the Mustang GT with similar performance)
Camaro Z28 = 6.0L w/ 368hp (competition to Mustang GT and Challenger R/T)
Camaro SS = 6.2L w/ 438hp (competition to Challenger SRT8 and Cobra)
Camaro ZL1 = 6.2L SC w/ 568hp (finally... a real competitor to take down the 500KR)

I have a feeling many or all will disagree... please let me know what you guys think. i have been wanting to express this for a while now and figured now is a good time..... what a good way to start with a thread like this huh???
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It may be a little out there but I have a strong feeling that ......
Base Camaro = 2.0L TDI w/260hp (competition for base Mustang at the same price but more power and fuel efficiency)
Camaro RS = 3.6L DI w/ 306hp (affordable pony car with RS sport appearance and still providing over 300hp, a cheaper alternative to the Mustang GT with similar performance)
Camaro Z28 = 6.0L w/ 368hp (competition to Mustang GT and Challenger R/T)
Camaro SS = 6.2L w/ 438hp (competition to Challenger SRT8 and Cobra)
Camaro ZL1 = 6.2L SC w/ 568hp (finally... a real competitor to take down the 500KR)

I have a feeling many or all will disagree... please let me know what you guys think. i have been wanting to express this for a while now and figured now is a good time..... what a good way to start with a thread like this huh???
Welcome to the site!!! i don't think that they are going to offer this many engines... sorry...
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I can't see them doing 3 V8s

likeliest cadidates would be pulled from other production models.

the Solsitce Turbo4 (LNF) ~260
the 3.6L LLT V6 SAE certified to 302hp (Base engine for CTS)
The Vette 6.2L LS3 certified for 430hp 436hp w/ optional exhaust
The CTS-V 6.2L S/C LSA certified for 550hp
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...47&postcount=3
Please put this with the older engine guess thread.
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I can't see them doing 3 V8s

likeliest cadidates would be pulled from other production models.

the Solsitce Turbo4 (LNF) ~260
the 3.6L LLT V6 SAE certified to 302hp (Base engine for CTS)
The Vette 6.2L LS3 certified for 430hp 436hp w/ optional exhaust
The CTS-V 6.2L S/C LSA certified for 550hp
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...47&postcount=3
Please put this with the older engine guess thread.
They would mass produce the 6.0 and 6.2 with the 6.2SC being limited to 1,000 or so.... The CTS-V is not certified yet..... they are speculating 568hp on that setup due to the ZR1 coming out with 638hp.

It does seem a lot at first but I would not be surprised if they come out with the 2.0TDI, 3.6DI, and 6.0 in the first year; with the SS coming a year later with the 6.2(similar to the G8 timeline).. then 6 to 12 months later.. a limited production uber Camaro ZL1 with 568hp. just a thought

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I can't see them doing 3 V8s

likeliest cadidates would be pulled from other production models.

the Solsitce Turbo4 (LNF) ~260
the 3.6L LLT V6 SAE certified to 302hp (Base engine for CTS)
The Vette 6.2L LS3 certified for 430hp 436hp w/ optional exhaust
The CTS-V 6.2L S/C LSA certified for 550hp
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...47&postcount=3
Please put this with the older engine guess thread.
Finally someone I agree with, except the 4cylinder correct me if I wrong but was their any 4 banger camaro's
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Finally someone I agree with, except the 4cylinder correct me if I wrong but was their any 4 banger camaro's
There was, a long while ago. in the 80's. They called the engine the "Iron Duke"...but it was terrible. However, this is no Iron Duke, even if it is a 4-banger, 260 hp is 260hp: which is more than the Mustang's current V6 . I wouldn't be embarrassed to drive a Turbo 4 5thgen Camaro, at all!
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There was, a long while ago. in the 80's. They called the engine the "Iron Duke"...but it was terrible. However, this is no Iron Duke, even if it is a 4-banger, 260 hp is 260hp: which is more than the Mustang's current V6 . I wouldn't be embarrassed to drive a Turbo 4 5thgen Camaro, at all!
agreed...., but I agree with that 4 engine list minus the 4 banger
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If you think about the price of the top dog, that will be in the territory of the corvette. i think gm will make some changes to the vett if that happens. besides if they make the price that high for an ss i would get the base z28 and sc it myself, it would cost less and have more horses.

v6 300 hp
z28 402 hp ctsv engine
ss 460 hp just like the sc cadillac sts
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