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Old 11-26-2012, 08:41 PM   #26
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It's funny that this was brought back from the dead now, 4 days before Nascar and Chevy introduce the new "SS" to the public on November 30th which will resemble the car that is set to come overseas from Holden next fall.
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Old 11-26-2012, 08:51 PM   #27
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My cobalt ss turbo with 1500 in mods runs mid 12's and trap speeds at 115. Bought it with 11,000 On the OD and paid 16.5 for it. I can run pure Iowa sweet corn in it and the turbo models 2008 thru 2011 are very rare. I believe this car deserves the SS title.

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Old 11-26-2012, 08:55 PM   #28
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It's about time they came to their senses. As far as I'm concerned, as long as it has a high horse v8, rumbling exhaust and rear wheel drive, Chevy can call it an SS. None of this front wheel drive, i4, v6 crap. Although at it's inception in the early '60s, the SS package was simply an appearance package. You could have ordered a SS Chevy II wagon with a straight 6! You'd be hard pressed to find one, but they did exist.
True the SS was an appearance package - A mean buzzing half dozen Deuce would be worth a mint about now.
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Old 11-27-2012, 07:51 AM   #29
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Malibu Maxx SS...enough said: GM was adding stripes, chrome tips, lame wheels and pasting "SS" on everything! STOP IT!
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Old 11-27-2012, 08:01 AM   #30
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OK...there Shouldn't have been an SS Malibu and maxx....there shouldn't have been an all motor SS cobalt automatic 4 door sedan....I will, however, step in and say leave the Turbo HHR SS and Turbo Cobalt SS alone. Those were damn fast cars. For $600 you can buy and program a stage 1 kit from GMPP and bump your car 30HP and 60TQ with a factory tune....those cars are no slouch. Imagine 300HPand 320TQ in a 2975lb Cobalt...I had one

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Old 11-27-2012, 08:05 AM   #31
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Maybe now they can use the SS models to spank some ford ass!!
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:15 AM   #32
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Instead of worrying about a badge, how about producing parts that don't break on SS models? It's disgusting that you can't use the features on the car from the factory in fear of destroying the car, i.e., launch control.

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Old 11-27-2012, 11:02 AM   #33
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Reading this thread got me thinking ...

Does that mean that the "base" V8 model won't be the SS anymore? (Camaro now, not talking lawnmowers, etc).

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Old 11-27-2012, 11:16 AM   #34
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Ancient history! This thread is at least 5 years old!
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:20 AM   #35
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Reading this thread got me thinking ...

Does that mean that the "base" V8 model won't be the SS anymore? (Camaro now, not talking lawnmowers, etc).

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Dude this thread is from 2006..
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:23 AM   #36
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They even put "SS" on HHR's
I have an HHR SS...I'm trading it in for a ZL1 in a couple of months. It ain't for everyone, but I loved driving it...it had a lot of pep...especially once I had the GM Turbo Upgrade installed...that kicked the HP up to 290, from 260...I was doing 0-60 in under 6 seconds. The engine (LNF turbo) is a pretty dynamic lil' 4-banger...2.0L turbocharged, direct injection, 290 HP. Where do you ever see a 145 HP-to-1 L ratio? People who didn't know much about HHR SSes were shocked when I told them it was only a 4-cyl in there after giving them a ride.

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Old 11-27-2012, 11:28 AM   #37
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So do they plan on ending the ZL1, changing it to an SS, or making the SS faster than the ZL1. Oh, and I would have to say that the supercharged version of the cobolt does deserve to wear the bage. That was a very impressive car. They screwed up when they kept for the four door models.
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:35 AM   #38
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I really liked my Trailblazer SS. That thing was pretty quick for an SUV. I almost wish they'd bring it back to compete with the Jeep SRT-8 again.
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Old 11-27-2012, 01:37 PM   #39
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IMO, the only two cars that should ever have received the SS nameplate are the Camaro and the Chevelle. Thank God they are going to cut their crap out. I was really getting sick of seeing "SS" on Cobalts, Impalas, Malibus, Silverados, etc, etc. Save it for the race cars, damnit! That's just the way I see it. Good call, GM.
I'm ok with keeping Malibu in the mix. I'm old enough to remember when a Chevelle and a Malibu were the same car and I still have some good Malibu SS memories.
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Old 11-27-2012, 01:45 PM   #40
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I really liked my Trailblazer SS. That thing was pretty quick for an SUV. I almost wish they'd bring it back to compete with the Jeep SRT-8 again.
true that i love my TBSS LS2 motor in it its a beast of a SUV. mines no where close to stock but stock that thing sounded nice and hauled
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:13 PM   #41
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They should follow the Germans and have a more unified naming system, link half of the model name to the car type, link the other half to the engine trim

BMW always start with car model number then engine number
Model number Z - 3 - 5 - 6 - 7 - M
i4 - ?28
i/v6 - ?35
V8 - ?45
V12 - ?50
tuned V8/V12 - M?

Benz also starts with car trim letter then follow with engine number
Model trims SL - C - E - S - CL - ML (also sub models for the L stuff, -LK, -LS)
i4 - ?300
i/v6 - ?350
V8 - ?550
V12 - ?600
tuned V8/V12 - ?AMG

AUDI is the one with a lot of exceptions, "A" trim can have any engine type
Model trim 4 - 6 - 7 - 8
i4/6/8 - A?
i/v6 - S?
V8 - RS?
V12 - W12
tuned V8/V12 - RS?

SS should be on par with M/AMG/RS badges, they should be allowed on small cars but only the actual sports models, like STI/EVO.
The current GM system is like Chrysler, adding R/T to EVERYTHING...... Avenger R/T /facepalm that works in short term but ruins the badge in the long run

They should keep the names for the car models, but unify the engine badges
i4 - LS
V6 - LT
V8 - SS
Super charged 4/6/8 - Z
The whole LT/RS/SS system is too complicated right now, just keep packages out of the badges, simply call the RS "sports package", call the 2 "luxury package"
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:39 PM   #42
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I would agree with one exception to a majority of the posts. I have an Impala "SS" and at the time of its built it is well deserved. V8 power, better suspension etc...only downside its a FWD (which sucks for torque steer). I do agree that its use should be limited ( I about had a cow when I saw the "SS" badge on a cobalt..... BTW 2008 impala has almost 100k on her and still going strong, little over 14 sec qtr mile with no Mods...not bad for a FWD 4 door :-)
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:43 PM   #43
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They should follow the Germans and have a more unified naming system, link half of the model name to the car type, link the other half to the engine trim

BMW always start with car model number then engine number
Model number Z - 3 - 5 - 6 - 7 - M
i4 - ?28
i/v6 - ?35
V8 - ?45
V12 - ?50
tuned V8/V12 - M?

Benz also starts with car trim letter then follow with engine number
Model trims SL - C - E - S - CL - ML (also sub models for the L stuff, -LK, -LS)
i4 - ?300
i/v6 - ?350
V8 - ?550
V12 - ?600
tuned V8/V12 - ?AMG

AUDI is the one with a lot of exceptions, "A" trim can have any engine type
Model trim 4 - 6 - 7 - 8
i4/6/8 - A?
i/v6 - S?
V8 - RS?
V12 - W12
tuned V8/V12 - RS?

SS should be on par with M/AMG/RS badges, they should be allowed on small cars but only the actual sports models, like STI/EVO.
The current GM system is like Chrysler, adding R/T to EVERYTHING...... Avenger R/T /facepalm that works in short term but ruins the badge in the long run

They should keep the names for the car models, but unify the engine badges
i4 - LS
V6 - LT
V8 - SS
Super charged 4/6/8 - Z
The whole LT/RS/SS system is too complicated right now, just keep packages out of the badges, simply call the RS "sports package", call the 2 "luxury package"
Personally, I think BMW has the most confusing and complex naming system ever. Admittedly, Camaros don't have a basic naming system, but I think it works better than BMW. Also, calling the RS a sports package would be deceiving because you only get visual upgrades.

And don't down the Avenger R/T, there are two in my family, a 08 and a 12. I can speak from experience, they are awesome. Amazing cars with sport suspension, strut brace, and larger engines. They deserve the R/T badge.
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Personally, I think BMW has the most confusing and complex naming system ever. Admittedly, Camaros don't have a basic naming system, but I think it works better than BMW. Also, calling the RS a sports package would be deceiving because you only get visual upgrades.

And don't down the Avenger R/T, there are two in my family, a 08 and a 12. I can speak from experience, they are awesome. Amazing cars with sport suspension, strut brace, and larger engines. They deserve the R/T badge.
BMW system is exactly the same as the Benz system, except it only uses numbers instead of letters
Sure, name RS the "exterior package", either way the "no badge can be V6, RS badge is also V6 and SS is V8 that may or may not have RS package"
confused a LOT of ppl who asked me about my car, some were looking into buying a camaro
the Germans are a lot easier to understand to ppl who don't know much about their cars, which is a large chunk of the market
"for MB, the letter means the car type and the bigger the number the bigger than engine, AMG means most expensive and fastest of each car"

I'm sure R/T are nice cars, but it is falling behind the current gen FWD cars. Even the hothatchs start with 300+ bhp these days.
"classic trim" dodge with 280 is a bit underwhelming. I know power isn't everything, but avenger isn't exactly light compare to the new 300+ bhp hatchbacks.
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BMW isn't confusing?

Let's see, we have the 1, 3, 5, 6, 7-series. All good so far.
Then instead of the 4-series, we have a Z3 and now Z4. Um. ok.
Then instead of an 8-series, there's the X5, now X3 and X1.

The performance models hang the M at the front. M3, M5 - Nice, easy. Except ..

1M, M3, M5, M6, Z3 M, Z4 M Coupe, Z8 M Coupe, X5 M, but wait, M635CSi??? Is that M or not? What's with the letters?

Put the M in the same place always and people will see it's M. Replacing the M with something else (X/Z) and people get confused. Then when you want to add an M you put it in the back. *facepalm*

I live in europe and I see BMWs all the time, way more than GM produced cars (bar SAABs and Opels of course), and I find it less confusing with GMs naming scheme than BMWs.

SAAB actually did something right - the performance model is the Aero. Simple as that, if it's Aero it's the performance model.

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BMW isn't confusing?

Let's see, we have the 1, 3, 5, 6, 7-series. All good so far.
Then instead of the 4-series, we have a Z3 and now Z4. Um. ok.
Then instead of an 8-series, there's the X5, now X3 and X1.

The performance models hang the M at the front. M3, M5 - Nice, easy. Except ..

1M, M3, M5, M6, Z3 M, Z4 M Coupe, Z8 M Coupe, X5 M, but wait, M635CSi??? Is that M or not? What's with the letters?

Put the M in the same place always and people will see it's M. Replacing the M with something else (X/Z) and people get confused. Then when you want to add an M you put it in the back. *facepalm*

I live in europe and I see BMWs all the time, way more than GM produced cars (bar SAABs and Opels of course), and I find it less confusing with GMs naming scheme than BMWs.

SAAB actually did something right - the performance model is the Aero. Simple as that, if it's Aero it's the performance model.

// Stefan
How about, 1 3 5 6 7 are all standard cars vary by size, Z is roadster numbered by generation, X are SUV numbered by size.

The Ci/Csi are old system they don't use anymore, C means coupe. You are mixing old system with the new system

Let's compare that to Benz, you got the standard C E and S then the roadsters SLK SL SLS SLR, then the SUVs and 4x4s GLK ML M G,

then aside from the coupe variant of standard C and E class, you got the "real coupe" CLK, CL, then a "4 door coupe" CLS

Base price wise it's just chaos SLK < SL < SLS, but CLS < CLK < CL, what??? Also GLK < M < K < G ??????????

I know their placement of number and letters are unified, but the models and pricing are not, unlike BMW
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M550d, X5 M50d, X6 M50d.

The point is that it's confusing.

M5 is straightforward.

And you didn't answer the point where some have the M before, and some after the number.
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GM must focus on product distinctiveness now that car making is truly global. Instead of market share it is customer loyalty and profit margin. Build in smaller volumes and keep prices/margins up. Its is also a lot more fun for them - and us.

For the Camaro that means true performance with 160 mph top end and quality somewhat exotic components in the powertrian. The 1LE is a beautiful product statement but the SS needs to have a real performance reputation as well.

Chevy can be BMW, Cadillac - Mercedes, Buick - Lexus/Infiniti, just keep it 'American'. I used to love seeing a V-8 STS Cadillac living in the UK. Ford is trying to be Toyota. Not sure where that will get them.
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GM, please make it more difficult for the posers to water down the SS/ZL1 lines by allowing those body panels to easily fit the V6...
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M550d, X5 M50d, X6 M50d.

The point is that it's confusing.

M5 is straightforward.

And you didn't answer the point where some have the M before, and some after the number.
M1 was a super car before and they didn't want to ruin the name with the new "semi M" hatch
As for the Z and X models, it makes perfect sense from a typography stand point, they want to emphasize the M by isolating the 2 letters so ppl don't read them together like MX or MZ

The M550d is because they already have M5, and they wanted to try diesel sports car.
The 550d part is exactly like 328i or 535xi, except they added an M to the front
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