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Old 09-06-2009, 11:18 PM   #1
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they killed the thread/so here is another

previous comment: Its true that a live axle is antiquated tech, and that IRS is all the rage...but if your statement of live axle < IRS is true in all cases, than why does the GT500 with its live axle do better in lateral gs and the slalom? Just food for thought.

Ford has performed a miracle with the GT500 & the GT/Track Pack handling wise, but they are at the max for it.
On the other hand the SS suspension is just in its infancy. Just wait and see where it goes from here.

As a side note if it can run as well as the posted track (Laguna Seca) times wait till the handling is sorted out. What other cars will the Camaro beat?

These are laptimes from Mazda Laguna Seca submited mostly by motortrend....

1. Devon GTX 1:35.075 136 ´ 659 / - DMW
2. Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR 1:35.117 136 ´08 600 / 1536 Motor Trend
3. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 1:35.8 135 ´08 647 / 1519 Motortrend
4. Porsche 997 GT3 1:39.517 130 ´06 415 / 1395 Motortrend
5. Nissan GT-R 1:39.62 130 ´08 479 / 1740 Edmunds
6. Porsche 997 Turbo 1:39.89 130 ´06 480 / 1585 Timed by Edmunds.com
7. Audi R8 1:40.8 129 ´06 420 / 1560 Motor Trend
8. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1:40.9 129 ´05 513 / 1437.3 Motor Trend
9. BMW M3 (E92) 1:42.964 126 ´07 420 / 1619 Motor Trend
10. Porsche Cayman S(facelift) PDK 1:43.0 126 ´08 320 / 1350 Motor Trend
11. Cadillac CTS-V 1:43.9 125 ´09 556 / 1908 Motortrend
12. Ford Shelby GT500 1:44.3 124 ´10 547 / 1770 Motortrend
13. Ford Shelby GT500 1:44.716 124 ´06 507 / 1807 Motor Trend
14. Porsche 997 Carrera (2008 facelift) 1:45.0 123 ´08 345 / 1415 Car and Driver
15. Chevrolet Camaro SS 2010 1:45.7 123 ´10 432 / 1750 Motor Trend
16. Lotus Exige 240R 1:45.818 123 ´05 247 / 941 Motortrend
17. Toyota Supra RZ 1:45.87 122 ´94 284 / 1640 Kurosawa Motoharu
18. BMW 135i Coupe (E82) 1:46.0 122 ´07 306 / 1485 Motortrend
19. Nissan Nismo 370Z 1:46.5 122 ´09 355 / 1500 Motortrend
20. Porsche Cayman S 1:47.577 121 ´05 295 / 1406 Motortrend
21. Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X MR 1:47.713 120 ´08 295 / 1585 MotorTrend
22. Chevrolet Cobalt SS/TC 1:47.751 120 ´08 260 / 1352 Motor Trend
23. Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX 1:47.926 120 ´05 290 / 1482 Motortrend
24. BMW 335i Coupe 1:49.038 119 ´06 306 / 1610 Motortrend
25. Porsche 997 Carrera S 1:50.0 118 ´04 355 / 1420 Motortrend
26. Mazda 3 MPS 1:50.375 117 ´06 260 / 1485 Motortrend
27. Mazda RX-8 1:50.418 117 ´02 231 / 1379 Motor Trend
28. Honda S2000 1:50.738 117 ´99 239 / 1260 Motortrend
29. Mini Mini Cooper S Works GP Kit 1:51.733 116 ´06 218 / 1180 Motortrend
30. Mazda MX-5 Grand Touring 1:52.2 116 ´09 162 / 1165 Motortrend
31. Honda Civic SI 1:54.990 113 ´06 197 / 1330 Motortrend
32. Honda NSX 1:57 111 ´04 280 / 1330 Jeremy Clarkson

http://www.fastestlaps.com/track16.html
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Old 09-06-2009, 11:21 PM   #2
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bastard you took my post..... LMAO
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Old 09-06-2009, 11:22 PM   #3
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Old 09-06-2009, 11:22 PM   #4
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Nice. And since you got the first post, they can't say it's off topic in this thread.
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Old 09-06-2009, 11:27 PM   #5
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bastard you took my post..... LMAO
Sorry Dude!
I wanted that thread to continue, but only in a different direction.
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Old 09-06-2009, 11:29 PM   #6
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1-14 are all more expensive than the Camaro, some are like 4x more expensive.

I think IRS is the better handler on the street, certainly gives a better ride.

The racetrack is pretty smooth and even the Ford could go faster if you threw some dollars at it.
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Ford has worked on the live axel for sooooooo long they have it damn near perfected. On the other side think of how far behind the 8-ball they are going to be when GM perfects the IRS on the camaro..... Im just sayin
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IRS vs live axle?
Owned both, but when I saw the # I was shocked. So I talked with a good friend who know more about this then I do he said it easier to make a live axle handle better then IRS, due to the simpler design, but if you get the IRS set up look out. Anyone care to discuss.
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Old 09-06-2009, 11:31 PM   #9
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Slightly random, but some people in other threads of this nature seem to not understand what Leguna Seca is. It is a 2.238mile track that encompasses all the turn types that you would encounter in most road or road track situations. It does have several good straight-aways that would give a car with power like the Camaro an edge over smaller powered engines, but no real elevation changes.



Now, some of these imports just might beat us down the Tail of the Dragon. I would love to see someone do a speed run down this with a Camaro, but I don't have the balls to try it. Did it on my motorcycle once, and that was a fun run.

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Could we shave a second off the time? What about two?
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Old 09-06-2009, 11:35 PM   #12
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I hate that crap, who knows what inept driver was driving or who was paid off to skew results. I hate Motor Trend. Sniffling little spoiled Yuppies! Ohhhh MY BMW, MY MERCEDES!

Only trust half of what you read!
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Could we shave a second off the time? What about two?
At seca?
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I'll use my Miata to tame the Dragon! It's great in tight turns, but the Camaro (set up properly) is for all out road racing! Yeah, Baby!
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