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Old 05-16-2008, 03:07 PM   #126
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Those on the malibu are pull-type paddles. I thought at first too that you push them with your thumb but those things are just there to let people know which side does which.
mmmm. You might want to check again.
The shift controls on both sides of the wheel do the same thing (there's one on both sides for asthetics, and in case one hand is freer than the other maybe? ). Anyways; on either side: you push for upshift, or pull for downshift.
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Old 05-16-2008, 03:13 PM   #127
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Indeed. It costs less to fuel new muscle cars now then it did back in the day, once inflation and fuel economy has been taken into account. Though that may change at $4.50-$5.00/gallon.
Back in the day my '69 Z/28 DZ302 got 4-6mpg city (cause my foot was usually "in it") and if you were really careful about 12mpg hwy. I didn't worry too much about it as back in '69-'70 I was only paying around 30 cents a gallon for gas (Sunoco 260) though I was only earning about $200-230 a week.
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Old 05-16-2008, 03:18 PM   #128
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mmmm. You might want to check again.
The shift controls on both sides of the wheel do the same thing (there's one on both sides for asthetics, and in case one hand is freer than the other maybe? ). Anyways; on either side: you push for upshift, or pull for downshift.
wow, wierd. Thats news to me. That would get really anoying. Well thanks for correcting me.
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Old 05-16-2008, 03:42 PM   #129
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Have you ever driven a car with the gate shifter? I'll be honest with you...if you haven't...it's not that fun. In fact, I don't think it's fun at all...I think that if there will be any sort of "manual" shifting for the automatic...it'll be paddle shifters (the Malibu even has that)...I've never driven a car with paddle shifters...but I have driven one with the gate shifters...and I'm actually glad that this pre-pro isn't showing it...
Nah, you think I'm talking about Driver Shift Control (DSC)

The G8GT Tranny has 3 modes:
Regular -obvious...

Sport - Slide the shifter over to the right and the shifting is made more aggressive (lol... thats factory 'aggressive')

And DSC- when the shifter is in sport mode you can tap it up or down to shift the gears yourself.

I was hoping for this tranny because from what I've read on the g8 boards sport mode and normal mode can be tuned separately, so tuners are leaving normal mode more or less the same but tuning the sport mode to be an absolute street monster.
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Old 05-16-2008, 05:22 PM   #130
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Nice pix. Interior looks the same at the pix we saw months ago, but will less tape and dust on the dash. Overall look of the interior has my approval. Production may proceed.


It looks like they added some pieces to close some gaps, took off some tape, and armoral'd. I wouldn't say these pics are anything shocking or unexpected. It's exactly what I expected and imagined from seeing the original pics months ago. I really think I will be pleasantly surprised and happy when I'm actually sitting in the driver seat. To put it into perspective before I bought my truck I Liked the pictures of the interior online. Once I drove it at a dealership I thought SH!T, I LOVE this interior and HAVE to get this truck. Then I proceeded to pretend that it was mediocore to get a good deal.
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Old 05-16-2008, 05:50 PM   #131
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Vents are part of the interior and if it looks slapped together as an afterthought (vent rollers 1 inch from the vent left and right?), ala, the C/K series dashes of the 1990s, people's first thought is.. " What kinda Cheap.....?" As is mine. Minor Details, ducting issues, etc., exacerbate these issues, but c'mon... Ground-up design..couldn't be that hard.

I don't like annoying key-fobs dangling and bugging my leg/knee when I am driving. My Bonneville never had this issue as the key was on the dash. My Mustang reminds me of just how irritating this issue is.

Pushbuttton / Remote starts are just a thing of modern evolution, else they wouldn't have it in the Solstice.
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Old 05-16-2008, 05:58 PM   #132
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Nearly all Lexus Models, most Hondas, nearly all performance Chevrolets, Pontiacs, and even Hyuundai gets in on the act. The button uses a remote transmitter from the Key-fob in orderto determine who is in the car. This can tell the car all types of information about the driver, from settings of the seats, to controlling the position of the pedals, mirrors, speed-control devices, and so on and so forth.
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Old 05-16-2008, 06:31 PM   #133
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Old 05-16-2008, 06:32 PM   #134
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anyone seen these????
Does that look like a short throw shifter to anyone else? w00t!
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Old 05-16-2008, 06:47 PM   #135
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Nearly all Lexus Models, most Hondas, nearly all performance Chevrolets, Pontiacs, and even Hyuundai gets in on the act. The button uses a remote transmitter from the Key-fob in orderto determine who is in the car. This can tell the car all types of information about the driver, from settings of the seats, to controlling the position of the pedals, mirrors, speed-control devices, and so on and so forth.
sounds like most of those cars are up-market from the Camaro. The prime competitor to the Camaro is your Mustang, which still uses a traditional key. Personally, I see pushbutton starts as 'gee whiz gadgetry' which is impressive to some but provides no extra functionality, adds a bit of cost (particularly to get the power adjustables to their preset positions) and does not fit the image of the Camaro. Thats just my opinion though. You are entitled to yours. To hear what others on the site have to say regarding push start for the Camaro, please feel free to visit this thread: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2812
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Old 05-16-2008, 08:42 PM   #136
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I really want the oil pressure readout to be somewhere NEAR the tach/speedo so I don't have to turn my head to read a VERY important gauge.

Or maybe I am just OCD about having oil pressure while my motor is running.

I guess I should be lucky to even have an OP gauge with numbers on it unlike certain other cars with a needle that points from "Low" to "High"...

EDIT: Those tires do not look anywhere near thin enough to be a 275/40/20 tires. I have a 275/40/17 on my Camaro sitting out front and my sidewall looks to be about half of what is in the pictures. Since I have the same tread width and sidewall ratio that is claimed, the tire should be same height as mine. It could all be an optical illusion, we will all just have to wait and see.

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Old 05-16-2008, 09:15 PM   #137
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i dont see paddle shifters.

i wonder how those illuminated gauges look in person...
They appear to be the same as the gauges in our '08 Equinox Sport. And they look great in the Equinox.
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:17 PM   #138
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It's more likely (and this is just me) that it's just a glossy green piece of paper taped to the dash. Would be neat to have a little screen over there, but naw - I don't think it is.
That's all I'm seeing too. It's just a piece of paper slapped onto the dash with a large piece of scotch/packing tape.
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Old 05-16-2008, 10:13 PM   #139
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"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." :
lol whippen out the star wars quotes love it! :fighting0040: haha star wars fan #2 here

but again about the interior and everything about the car thus far, GM your doing an awesome job! keep it up!!
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Old 05-16-2008, 11:02 PM   #140
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Beautiful! I'm likeing teh interior much more. But I'm hoping my Camaro doesn't have tape holding the trim on, but I'm sure I can always get out my glue gun!
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Old 05-16-2008, 11:25 PM   #141
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I LIKE THE OUTSIDE DESIGN,BUT I AINT TOO HOT ON THE INTERIOR DONT MEAN I AINT GON BUY IT THOUGH!!!!!!!!!!

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Old 05-17-2008, 12:10 AM   #142
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I hope the final product does not look as cheap inside as these pictures show. There was much more metal looking chrome pieces in the concepts which gave it a more updscale look as well as a retro look. The older cars all had those crhome pieces which gave it a more quality feel. This all looks like cheap plastic which would be extremely dissapointing

Somehow this is just not living up to the look of the interior of the concept. I hope they offer an interior upgrade that looks a little more like the concepts interior

Also, the way the heating and AC vents are positioned just do not look like they flow right with the dash. The concept look was much better. The more I compare to the concept the less I like it.

Those little turn knobs I would assume to control the flow of air really look out of place. Might want to look at something that is more incorporated into the vents themselves

I think I am just to spoiled. Just bought a new Avalanche LTZ and my wife got a new 08 CTX and those interiors are really well thought out and just drip with quality. This interior does not really look to have the same feel, or maybe in real life it will. Guess will just have to wait and see. Still love the car though. Hoping for some different front light set up though. Hope they have some real quality upgrades on the Z28 and SS

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Old 05-17-2008, 01:43 AM   #143
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I hope the final product does not look as cheap inside as these pictures show. There was much more metal looking chrome pieces in the concepts which gave it a more updscale look as well as a retro look. The older cars all had those crhome pieces which gave it a more quality feel. This all looks like cheap plastic which would be extremely dissapointing

Somehow this is just not living up to the look of the interior of the concept. I hope they offer an interior upgrade that looks a little more like the concepts interior

Also, the way the heating and AC vents are positioned just do not look like they flow right with the dash. The concept look was much better. The more I compare to the concept the less I like it.

Those little turn knobs I would assume to control the flow of air really look out of place. Might want to look at something that is more incorporated into the vents themselves

I think I am just to spoiled. Just bought a new Avalanche LTZ and my wife got a new 08 CTX and those interiors are really well thought out and just drip with quality. This interior does not really look to have the same feel, or maybe in real life it will. Guess will just have to wait and see. Still love the car though. Hoping for some different front light set up though. Hope they have some real quality upgrades on the Z28 and SS
First, welcome to the site!

Second, you have some great points. You know, we haven't seen the final product yet. So, I'm holding off on my final judgement until unveil day. Those older interior pix could have been leaked to get our reaction on the possible altered interior they were thinking about for final production. Well, everyone gave their input, that's for sure! These pix here look to be the same exact interior.

If GM listened to all the input, changes could very well have been made. Personally, I'd like to see some changes too....a little larger LCD screen, different ac vents and controls, etc. We'll just have to wait and see. Oh, and I too would have liked to see some more chrome like the concept had. Now, if GM could only figure out how to make chrome looking parts w/out all the weight of chrome and w/out "chrome" flaking off of plastic parts.

Hopefully it'll be nice and do the concept justice. I know the team at GM won't let us down.
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Well if the chrome pieces weigh a little more we will just have to make up for it with a little more horsey power. Works for me. Also, I hope they make some modifications. This car has the potential to be a great car, hate to see them go cheap on the interior, especially with all of the recent GM success's like the CTX, SUV and Truck Interiors and the Malibu. They have really been moving in a very positive way and hope they have the same dedication to quality on the Camaro.
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^Completely agree and think it'll have a much more up to date interior. Honestly, if there was one thing I could change about my 02 SS, it would be the waaaaaaay outdated interior. Seriously, it's like...10 years old.
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Hope they can keep that chrome funnell look they have in the concept for the speedo and tach, that really looks trick, or sick as my kids would say. Like the way the console guages look even if they are not all that convienent to look at. This new Camaro would look really good in the garage next to my C5 Z06. Hope they do it right because I have been waiting a while for this car.

One of the reasons I really do not like the mustang, it has a really cheap looking interior. even the new challenger has a very boxy plastic interior which really does not live up to the exterior. Hope the Camaro sets the new standard, it would be worth a few extra bucks to me.

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Old 05-17-2008, 08:32 AM   #147
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It's looking good, but there are alot of things I'm missing. Like others have said, I'm not digging the radio, and that's going to be hard to replace since it's all curved and all. No sportshift/paddle shifters? They'll get laid away by the automotive press if that's not available. And yes, I want a nav system. I don't want to have a screen suctioned on the windshield! That being said, I'll still buy one, but people who arn't Camaro enthusiast's might not so I'm hopeing there will still be some suprises. Oh, the gages on the floor are soooooo coool!!
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I like the interior, but I am dissapointed the speedometer uses 1969 font with 20 mph increments and small, tiny, squeezed hash marks for each mph.

That's one thing GM should NOT do retro. I sure hope they change the speedo font and increments before production. Every car built today should have large, easy to read at a glance markers that are in 10 mph increments and nice spacing between hash marks.


As for a SHUNT...... A shunt is an electronics or electrical term. It's a part of a circuit that is basically designed for protection of another part of the circuit. It acts the opposite of a fuse or circuit breaker. When it senses excessive current, the shunt shorts to direct voltage around the bad part of the circuit to avoid damage. (Shunting circuits are also used in small electronics like stereo receivers with capacitors to direct excessive high frequencies to ground).

The engineers have obviously installed a shunting circuit in the trunk as protection should something go wrong. They probably haven't finalized all the tollerances and voltage/current readings for the car's electrical system (you know those service manuals with all the electrical diagrams and schematics that have 400 pages in them? Right now is when the engineers are writing it for your Camaro when you need that book 10 years from now). Should a problem occurr, the shunt shorts, bypasses the bad circuit, but the good parts of the circuit are still operating. The car may still be able to drive back to the garage with limited use of the electrical components (unless it kills the fuel pump and fuel injection)

OTOH, Shunt could also be the last guy to ask Fbodfather about the headlights
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That's one thing GM should NOT do retro. I sure hope they change the speedo font and increments before production. Every car built today should have large, easy to read at a glance markers that are in 10 mph increments and nice spacing between hash marks.
I completely agree with you. My car has 10 mph increments, but there is enough room for the numbers because it goes up to a whopping 115 mph. When I drive a car with 20 mph increments I tend to speed to get up to the next number, 60 lol. But most new cars that I have noticed in, they have 20 mph gaps, I'll just have to live with it. Plus the digital display will be able to display speed.

I also agree with some that the interior isn't the greatest but I say this is just a V6 car and upper level cars will most likely have upgrades in styles and colors so we shouldn't worry too much. Honestly I'm not an interior guy and as long as there are some gauges and the engine is kick A$$ I will be happy.
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It's looking good, but there are alot of things I'm missing. Like others have said, I'm not digging the radio, and that's going to be hard to replace since it's all curved and all. No sportshift/paddle shifters? They'll get laid away by the automotive press if that's not available. And yes, I want a nav system. I don't want to have a screen suctioned on the windshield! That being said, I'll still buy one, but people who arn't Camaro enthusiast's might not so I'm hopeing there will still be some suprises. Oh, the gages on the floor are soooooo coool!!
Most of the automotive press order the manuals anyways... i think that we'll see paddles on this car seeing as GM came out with the paddle shift a while ago in a Grand Prix i believe... I'm not really all too concerned because i'm getting a manual (that is is it is offered on the V6 if not... well I'll be driving either a Mustang or a G5)
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